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      02-20-2010, 02:51 PM
Alan Browne wrote:
> On 10-02-17 20:13 , Alan Browne wrote:
>> Tomorrow I should receive the odds and ends that will complete the high
>> speed side of my little network. I was considering running these in
>> Jumbo Frame (JF).
>>
>>
>>
>> Cable-Modem ------- Router That's a 10/100 link
>> | |
>> 10/100 | +---- Printer 10/100
>> |
>> Switch
>> | | |
>> | | +-----Mac
>> | |
>> | +-------PC
>> |
>> +----------NAS
>>
>>
>> Everything "south" of the switch will be 1000 Mbps.
>>
>> If I set the Mac, the PC and NAS to JF, will the Printer and Cable-Modem
>> work correctly? they cannot be set to JF.

>
> Update - seems to work. But Apple Mail and Thunderbird (Mac) don't work
> with JF active. Back to standard frames.
>
> Too bad - did increase Mac to PC and VV xfer rates by about 10%.
>
>

WHat do you think the average exchange rate of a hard drive is ?
not pulsed but average ?
 
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      02-21-2010, 03:11 AM
Alan Browne wrote:
> On 10-02-20 9:51 , atec 77 wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 10-02-17 20:13 , Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> Tomorrow I should receive the odds and ends that will complete the high
>>>> speed side of my little network. I was considering running these in
>>>> Jumbo Frame (JF).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cable-Modem ------- Router That's a 10/100 link
>>>> | |
>>>> 10/100 | +---- Printer 10/100
>>>> |
>>>> Switch
>>>> | | |
>>>> | | +-----Mac
>>>> | |
>>>> | +-------PC
>>>> |
>>>> +----------NAS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Everything "south" of the switch will be 1000 Mbps.
>>>>
>>>> If I set the Mac, the PC and NAS to JF, will the Printer and
>>>> Cable-Modem
>>>> work correctly? they cannot be set to JF.
>>>
>>> Update - seems to work. But Apple Mail and Thunderbird (Mac) don't
>>> work with JF active. Back to standard frames.
>>>
>>> Too bad - did increase Mac to PC and VV xfer rates by about 10%.
>>>
>>>

>> WHat do you think the average exchange rate of a hard drive is ?
>> not pulsed but average ?

>
> That depends on many things, including the file sizes. Once a large
> file begins streaming, I'd _hope_ for at least 50% of SATA 3 Gb/s. But
> it seems far from that - more like 5 - 6%. (7200 RPM).
>
> To take disk issues out of the equation, I wrote a program on the PC to
> write to a RAM disk on the MAC. That got me up to a mere 35 MB/s or so
> (occasional bursts of 45 MB/s). I used large blocks in the "write"
> (32768 bytes) to make sure the outbound queue was saturated at all times.
>

I suggest you do some reading about the std sata/ide drive transfer
rates . stripe some of you really need a faster speed
 
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      02-22-2010, 12:02 AM
Alan Browne wrote:
> On 10-02-20 22:11 , atec 77 wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 10-02-20 9:51 , atec 77 wrote:
>>>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>> On 10-02-17 20:13 , Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>> Tomorrow I should receive the odds and ends that will complete the
>>>>>> high
>>>>>> speed side of my little network. I was considering running these in
>>>>>> Jumbo Frame (JF).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cable-Modem ------- Router That's a 10/100 link
>>>>>> | |
>>>>>> 10/100 | +---- Printer 10/100
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> Switch
>>>>>> | | |
>>>>>> | | +-----Mac
>>>>>> | |
>>>>>> | +-------PC
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> +----------NAS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything "south" of the switch will be 1000 Mbps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I set the Mac, the PC and NAS to JF, will the Printer and
>>>>>> Cable-Modem
>>>>>> work correctly? they cannot be set to JF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Update - seems to work. But Apple Mail and Thunderbird (Mac) don't
>>>>> work with JF active. Back to standard frames.
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad - did increase Mac to PC and VV xfer rates by about 10%.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> WHat do you think the average exchange rate of a hard drive is ?
>>>> not pulsed but average ?
>>>
>>> That depends on many things, including the file sizes. Once a large
>>> file begins streaming, I'd _hope_ for at least 50% of SATA 3 Gb/s. But
>>> it seems far from that - more like 5 - 6%. (7200 RPM).
>>>
>>> To take disk issues out of the equation, I wrote a program on the PC
>>> to write to a RAM disk on the MAC. That got me up to a mere 35 MB/s or
>>> so (occasional bursts of 45 MB/s). I used large blocks in the "write"
>>> (32768 bytes) to make sure the outbound queue was saturated at all
>>> times.
>>>

>> I suggest you do some reading about the std sata/ide drive transfer
>> rates . stripe some of you really need a faster speed

>
> Striping does not fit other goals.
>
>

moving the goal posts wont help if you want sustained delivery
 
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      02-22-2010, 08:44 PM
Alan Browne wrote:
> On 10-02-21 19:02 , atec 77 wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 10-02-20 22:11 , atec 77 wrote:
>>>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>> On 10-02-20 9:51 , atec 77 wrote:
>>>>>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10-02-17 20:13 , Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>>>> Tomorrow I should receive the odds and ends that will complete the
>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>> speed side of my little network. I was considering running these in
>>>>>>>> Jumbo Frame (JF).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cable-Modem ------- Router That's a 10/100 link
>>>>>>>> | |
>>>>>>>> 10/100 | +---- Printer 10/100
>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>> Switch
>>>>>>>> | | |
>>>>>>>> | | +-----Mac
>>>>>>>> | |
>>>>>>>> | +-------PC
>>>>>>>> |
>>>>>>>> +----------NAS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everything "south" of the switch will be 1000 Mbps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I set the Mac, the PC and NAS to JF, will the Printer and
>>>>>>>> Cable-Modem
>>>>>>>> work correctly? they cannot be set to JF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Update - seems to work. But Apple Mail and Thunderbird (Mac) don't
>>>>>>> work with JF active. Back to standard frames.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Too bad - did increase Mac to PC and VV xfer rates by about 10%.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> WHat do you think the average exchange rate of a hard drive is ?
>>>>>> not pulsed but average ?
>>>>>
>>>>> That depends on many things, including the file sizes. Once a large
>>>>> file begins streaming, I'd _hope_ for at least 50% of SATA 3 Gb/s. But
>>>>> it seems far from that - more like 5 - 6%. (7200 RPM).
>>>>>
>>>>> To take disk issues out of the equation, I wrote a program on the PC
>>>>> to write to a RAM disk on the MAC. That got me up to a mere 35 MB/s or
>>>>> so (occasional bursts of 45 MB/s). I used large blocks in the "write"
>>>>> (32768 bytes) to make sure the outbound queue was saturated at all
>>>>> times.
>>>>>
>>>> I suggest you do some reading about the std sata/ide drive transfer
>>>> rates . stripe some of you really need a faster speed
>>>
>>> Striping does not fit other goals.
>>>
>>>

>> moving the goal posts wont help if you want sustained delivery

>
> Word games? Please run along now.
>
>

Oh dear
you failed to understand
 
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