Re: What Is God?

"John Fields" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:41:04 -0500, "Aunty Kreist"
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> >"John Fields" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> >> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:02:54 GMT, "Clint Clark" <(E-Mail Removed)>
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> >> >What Is God?
> >>
> >> God is the creator of our universe.
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> >> --
> >> John Fields
> >
> >
> >Prove it.
>
> ---
> Disprove it.

The burden of the proof is on you. You claimed it as fact. Now pony up, boi.


> --
> John Fields

"Aunty Kreist" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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| > >"John Fields" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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| > >> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:02:54 GMT, "Clint Clark" <(E-Mail Removed)>
| > >> wrote:
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| > >> >What Is God?
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God is something civilised groups of humans created to make sure the way of
being civilised is kept and followed. I think we owed a lot to this idea.
Without this God creation, humans won't have faith and trust in living
"properly". There wouldn't be order or code of conduct when there is no visual
policing and law enforcements. There probably won't be love, respect and
consideration for others fellow humans since upon doing doing such things there
wouldn't be "rewards". God fits into this formula of balance :what-you-do =
what-you-get-in-return.

Humans have always been afraid of the unknown and God easily fits into the
scarey corner of the human mind.

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:18:33 -0000, "TripleEight" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

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>"Aunty Kreist" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>| > >"John Fields" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>| > >> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:02:54 GMT, "Clint Clark" <(E-Mail Removed)>
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>| > >> >What Is God?
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>God is something civilised groups of humans created to make sure the way of
>being civilised is kept and followed. I think we owed a lot to this idea.
>Without this God creation, humans won't have faith and trust in living
>"properly". There wouldn't be order or code of conduct when there is no visual
>policing and law enforcements. There probably won't be love, respect and
>consideration for others fellow humans since upon doing doing such things there
>wouldn't be "rewards". God fits into this formula of balance :what-you-do =
>what-you-get-in-return.
>
>Humans have always been afraid of the unknown and God easily fits into the
>scarey corner of the human mind.

You sound like an ex-neighbor of mine, who opined, while eating lunch
at my house, that she couldn't understand why my children were so
well-behaved, since they didn't go to church, or believe in god.

I told her to depart my premises, never to return ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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I read in sci.electronics.design that TripleEight <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
(in <(E-Mail Removed)>) about 'What Is God?', on
Thu, 20 Jan 2005:

>God is something civilised groups of humans created to make sure the way
>of being civilised is kept and followed.

For sufficiently lax definitions of 'civilized', that's right. But we
wouldn't regard the first human societies that had gods as civilized at
all. It is possible that Neanderthals had gods, and this week they are
not counted as ancestral to Homo sapiens.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote (in <vo40v05ugjfof5evdge566d6pk67aje9vb@
4ax.com>) about 'What Is God?', on Thu, 20 Jan 2005:

>You sound like an ex-neighbor of mine, who opined, while eating lunch at
>my house, that she couldn't understand why my children were so well-
>behaved, since they didn't go to church, or believe in god.
>
>I told her to depart my premises, never to return ;-)

I hope you didn't. Lead those who live in darkness of their own making
into the light.

Kicking and screaming. (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

In <(E-Mail Removed)>, on 01/20/05
at 08:18 PM, "TripleEight" <(E-Mail Removed)> said:

>Humans have always been afraid of the unknown and God easily fits into
>the scarey corner of the human mind.

Oh brother.... If there is no superior being, whence commeth the basic
rights of living? If my right to be free and live as I choose comes from
another human, then that right can be revoked. If I am only allowed to
live because someone else says its okay, how long till that right is taken
away as well.

Governments exist to insure rights, not to grant them. No God... No
rights.

TripleEight wrote:

> God is something civilised groups of humans created to make sure the way
> of being civilised is kept and followed. I think we owed a lot to this
> idea. Without this God creation, humans won't have faith and trust in
> living "properly". There wouldn't be order or code of conduct when there
> is no visual policing and law enforcements. There probably won't be love,
> respect and consideration for others fellow humans since upon doing doing
> such things there wouldn't be "rewards". God fits into this formula of
> balance :what-you-do = what-you-get-in-return.
>
> Humans have always been afraid of the unknown and God easily fits into the
> scarey corner of the human mind.

Simplistic human nonsense.

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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| In <(E-Mail Removed)>, on 01/20/05
| at 08:18 PM, "TripleEight" <(E-Mail Removed)> said:
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| >Humans have always been afraid of the unknown and God easily fits into
| >the scarey corner of the human mind.
|
| Oh brother.... If there is no superior being, whence commeth the basic
| rights of living? If my right to be free and live as I choose comes from
| another human, then that right can be revoked. If I am only allowed to
| live because someone else says its okay, how long till that right is taken
| away as well.
|
| Governments exist to insure rights, not to grant them. No God... No
| rights.


Good point. No God then there's nothing greater than the governement :P

I read in sci.electronics.design that (E-Mail Removed) wrote (in
<41f01908$3$woehfu$(E-Mail Removed)>) about 'What Is God?', on Thu,
20 Jan 2005:

>Oh brother.... If there is no superior being, whence commeth the basic
>rights of living? If my right to be free and live as I choose comes from
>another human, then that right can be revoked.

It doesn't come from ONE human but from the SOCIETY in which you live.
Societies that practised human sacrifice were quite willing to revoke
selectively the right to live. Societies that practised slavery,
especially galley slavery, were quite willing to revoke individual
freedom.

These days, societies revoke freedom, and life in some cases, by
'judicial process', which is just another society artefact. Courtroom
histrionics instead of trial by ordeal.

If you are imprisoned, will your god get you out?

>If I am only allowed to
>live because someone else says its okay, how long till that right is
>taken away as well.

No-one knows. You hope your kids won't pass a compulsory euthanasia law
when they are running the show.
>
>Governments exist to insure rights, not to grant them. No God... No
>rights.

Which god is this? Can you get personalised certificates of your human
rights for an appropriate fee, often called a 'tithe'?
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Aunty Kreist wrote:
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>John Fields wrote...
>
>>Aunty Kreist wrote:
>>
>>>John Fields wrote...
>>
>>>>Clint Clark wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>What Is God?
>>>>
>>>> God is the creator of our universe.
>>>
>>>Prove it.
>>
>> Disprove it.
>
>The burden of the proof is on you. You claimed it as fact.
>Now pony up, boi.

If there is a God, why does he ignore my plea that you people
move these discussions to an appropriate newsgroup?

Since January first, I have had to add the following words
to my killfile for sci.electronic.design:

alcohol
alpha centauri
arafat
bookcase
bovril
bush
business
cartoon
circumcision
clinton
coalition
congress
dbade
death sentence
desk
disaster
dubbya
fallujah
foxpro
free will
genome
god
google
inauguration
metaphysical
nazi
nouveau
parents
parrot
political
president
religion
tingling sensation
troops
tsunami
virus
woodgate

...and I just added "god"

In addition, I have over 50 email addresses in my
killfile of posters who *never* write anything
about electronics design - the above listonly
reflects post from those who sometimes write
about electronics design.

What kind of god would allow this without smiting
you people for posting your off-topic flamebait in
an engineering newsgroup?

(Don't bother answering - my killfile will filter it out)