Re: FTTC Service

You don't have many choices for FTTC. The only true FTTC provider in
the UK are H2O networks or BT. Virgin is Fibre to the cabinet and then
copper.

It all depends on your area as well, use the exchange checker at
samknows.com to find out what services are available in your area.

On 2010-11-20 22:31:04 +0000, Dave Wade said:

> I have been looking at FTTC services. whilst the BT offerings look
> affordable, I don't really want to go back to BT. All the other
> offerings seem to be twice the price. Are there any other offerings
> that are affordable?

"Andy Burns" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:1c-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Paul Beattie wrote:
>
>> You don't have many choices for FTTC. The only true FTTC provider in the
>> UK are H2O networks or BT. Virgin is Fibre to the cabinet and then
>> copper.
>
> FTTC (on the UK at least) is fibre to the cabinet, Virgin and BT both have
> fibre to the cabinet, and then either twisted pair copper or coax copper
> to the home.

Some other providers over BT lines are:

fast www.fast.co.uk
timico www.timico.co.uk
aquiss www.aquiss.net/broadband-fibre.php
Eclipse www.eclipse.net.uk/
Idnet http://www.idnet.net/
vicitia http://www.vivaciti.net
Zen www.zen.co.uk
aaisp http://aaisp.net.uk/broadband-units.html
adsl 24 http://adsl24.co.uk

Paul

Paul Beattie <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
: You don't have many choices for FTTC. The only true FTTC provider in
: the UK are H2O networks or BT. Virgin is Fibre to the cabinet and then
: copper.

I thought several other ISPs were poised to resell FTTC. In the case of
LLU operators I would presume that they would take the Exchange
connection through to to their own DSLAM.

On 2010-11-21 07:19:14 +0000, Andy Burns said:

> Paul Beattie wrote:
>
>> You don't have many choices for FTTC. The only true FTTC provider in the
>> UK are H2O networks or BT. Virgin is Fibre to the cabinet and then copper.
>
> FTTC (on the UK at least) is fibre to the cabinet, Virgin and BT both
> have fibre to the cabinet, and then either twisted pair copper or coax
> copper to the home.

Sorry for that, I had a brain fart last night when I was writing this.
I was confused with FTTP. Others have covered the options now. My
apologies.

On 21/11/10 10:42, Brian Mc wrote:
> Paul Beattie <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> : You don't have many choices for FTTC. The only true FTTC provider in
> : the UK are H2O networks or BT. Virgin is Fibre to the cabinet and then
> : copper.

> I thought several other ISPs were poised to resell FTTC. In the case of
> LLU operators I would presume that they would take the Exchange
> connection through to to their own DSLAM.

How? The FTTC DSLAM is in the street cabinet, and street cabinets aren't
big enough for multiple operators to each install their own DSLAMs.

Rgds

Denis McMahon

On 2010-11-21 13:47:15 +0000, Andy Burns said:

> Denis McMahon wrote:
>
>> On 21/11/10 10:42, Brian Mc wrote:
>>
>>> I thought several other ISPs were poised to resell FTTC.
>>
>> How? The FTTC DSLAM is in the street cabinet, and street cabinets aren't
>> big enough for multiple operators to each install their own DSLAMs.
>
> They'll have to pay OpenReach for backhaul from the cab, via the
> exchange(s) to their datacentre ... unless they install their own
> street cabs and fibre, Rutland Telecom being the only one I'm aware of
> doing that on a small scale, perhaps there are others.

The point Denis is making is that the street cabinets being installed
by Openreach at the moment aren't big enough to house everybody's
equipment. If Sky wanted to "unbundle" a street they would have to
install their own cable to the street, install their own cabinet.
Completely removing BT/Openreach.

On 21/11/10 13:04, Denis McMahon wrote:

> How? The FTTC DSLAM is in the street cabinet, and street cabinets aren't
> big enough for multiple operators to each install their own DSLAMs.

The size of the BT FTTC cabs is not the issue. Just like LLU operators'
kit in BT exchanges, there has to be physical separation. BT won't
allow other operators to have access to their cabs.

BT's FTTC model allows other operators to install their own cabs next to
the BT FTTC cabs (possibly multiple operators sharing a cab ?). BT will
jumper POTS links over to these cabs, and the other operators can route
their fibre wherever they want to - doesn't have to be back to the BT
exchange.

But there doesn't seem to be much take-up of this option. I guess if
an operator has a fibre ring running close by a cab, then they could
throw an ADM into the cab. But otherwise I think it needs too much
installation to be a solution for consumer DSL.

Brian Mc wrote:
> Paul Beattie <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> : You don't have many choices for FTTC. The only true FTTC provider in
> : the UK are H2O networks or BT. Virgin is Fibre to the cabinet and then
> : copper.
>
> I thought several other ISPs were poised to resell FTTC. In the case of
> LLU operators I would presume that they would take the Exchange
> connection through to to their own DSLAM.
>
I think ofcom would require FTTC to be available to third parties:
openreach is essentially the subcontractor.

Denis McMahon wrote:
> On 21/11/10 10:42, Brian Mc wrote:
>> Paul Beattie <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> : You don't have many choices for FTTC. The only true FTTC provider in
>> : the UK are H2O networks or BT. Virgin is Fibre to the cabinet and then
>> : copper.
>
>> I thought several other ISPs were poised to resell FTTC. In the case of
>> LLU operators I would presume that they would take the Exchange
>> connection through to to their own DSLAM.
>
> How? The FTTC DSLAM is in the street cabinet, and street cabinets aren't
> big enough for multiple operators to each install their own DSLAMs.
>
reselling FTTC is not the same as LLU.

I.e. the ISPS will use openreach infrastructure, but backhauled to their
own service via their own links (rented from openreach as well tho)


> Rgds
>
> Denis McMahon

On 21/11/10 13:47, Andy Burns wrote:
> Denis McMahon wrote:
>
>> On 21/11/10 10:42, Brian Mc wrote:
>>
>>> I thought several other ISPs were poised to resell FTTC. In the case of
>>> LLU operators I would presume that they would take the Exchange
>>> connection through to to their own DSLAM.

>> How? The FTTC DSLAM is in the street cabinet, and street cabinets aren't
>> big enough for multiple operators to each install their own DSLAMs.

> They'll have to pay OpenReach for backhaul from the cab, via the
> exchange(s) to their datacentre ...

That's not using their own DSLAMS!

> unless they install their own street
> cabs and fibre, Rutland Telecom being the only one I'm aware of doing
> that on a small scale, perhaps there are others.

Although that is.

The question I was raising was how LLU operators would resell FTTC
"using their own DSLAMS" .... and unless a single ISP has enough demand
in the area served by a DP to erect their own street cab next to the DP,
and all the additional works involved, they're going to have to resell
the BT product.

Rgds

Denis McMahon