Re: Fanboi's lament – falling out of love with the iPad

John Navas quoting Rik Myslewski:

> //Egotistical, gratuitous nonsense elided//

Who are these fanbois? I want the name(s) of the fanboi(s) who forced
Rik to buy an iPad. If he forced _himself_ to buy one sight-unseen then
he is a fool. I bought mine after trying someone else's for a day. The
more I use my iPad, the more I like it--especially on those excursions
where I don't require the kind of heavy-duty image processing or the
multi-gigagbyte astronomical databases that my MacBook Pro's provide.

Mr. Myslewski flatters himself to think that anyone cares whether he
likes the iPad.

E-bay will be his consolation.

> If the iPhone is really so impressive, why do iFans keep making excuses for it?

The iPhone, also, needs no excuses. You try it, you talk to others who
have one, you learn what it can do and what it can't do, you decide you
want it or you don't want it. I don't see that as being terribly
complicated. The iPhone has many capable competitors, something for
every taste and budget. That's pretty much the way I do most of my
shopping. Impulse buying can be very expensive, indeed.

Independent market analysts, i.e., those not affiliated with or hired
by Apple, Inc., credit the success of the iPhone and iPad to reports of
an overwhelmingly positive user experience, news of which is spread by
word of mouth--and not by so-called fanbois. "Non-standard file
system?" It is to laugh. The users who describe an overwhelmingly
positive experience are not aware that these devices _have_ a file
system. If they needed to be aware of that, these spectacularly
successful devices would not have failed miserably in the market.

It is true that millions have bought the iPad sight-unseen because they
have learned from experience that, if it comes from Apple, it will be
elegant and it will work right. The vast majority of these people (Mr.
Myslewski notwithstanding) have not been disappointed.

Davoud

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"Davoud" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> If he forced _himself_ to buy one sight-unseen then he is a fool.

There are MANY MANY fools out there with more money than sense. It's those
idiots that then turn around and blame Apple for their own stupidity. :-\

Davoud wrote:
> John Navas quoting Rik Myslewski:
>
>> //Egotistical, gratuitous nonsense elided//
>
> Who are these fanbois? I want the name(s) of the fanboi(s) who forced
> Rik to buy an iPad. If he forced _himself_ to buy one sight-unseen
> then he is a fool. I bought mine after trying someone else's for a
> day. The more I use my iPad, the more I like it--especially on those
> excursions where I don't require the kind of heavy-duty image
> processing or the multi-gigagbyte astronomical databases that my
> MacBook Pro's provide.
>
> Mr. Myslewski flatters himself to think that anyone cares whether he
> likes the iPad.
>
> E-bay will be his consolation.
>
>> If the iPhone is really so impressive, why do iFans keep making
>> excuses for it?
>
> The iPhone, also, needs no excuses. You try it, you talk to others who
> have one, you learn what it can do and what it can't do, you decide
> you want it or you don't want it. I don't see that as being terribly
> complicated. The iPhone has many capable competitors, something for
> every taste and budget. That's pretty much the way I do most of my
> shopping. Impulse buying can be very expensive, indeed.
>
> Independent market analysts, i.e., those not affiliated with or hired
> by Apple, Inc., credit the success of the iPhone and iPad to reports
> of an overwhelmingly positive user experience, news of which is
> spread by word of mouth--and not by so-called fanbois. "Non-standard
> file system?" It is to laugh. The users who describe an overwhelmingly
> positive experience are not aware that these devices _have_ a file
> system. If they needed to be aware of that, these spectacularly
> successful devices would not have failed miserably in the market.
>
> It is true that millions have bought the iPad sight-unseen because
> they have learned from experience that, if it comes from Apple, it
> will be elegant and it will work right. The vast majority of these
> people (Mr. Myslewski notwithstanding) have not been disappointed.

A rather sweeping assertion given the total lack of stastical data, wouldn't
you say ?


>
> Davoud

John Navas wrote:
> On Sun, 30 May 2010 16:00:17 +0100, "Advanced Kitty"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> <(E-Mail Removed)>:
>
>> A rather sweeping assertion given the total lack of stastical data,
>> wouldn't you say ?
>
> Par for the course on Usenet.

Well, you said it.

When I first heard that Jobs was planning a tablet, I kind of stopped to
draw breath again.

I could only think that his brush with mortality had turned him from savvy
innovator into a self-indulgent ball-dropper.
Kinda "Well, it's my baby - I can do what I like with it".

The world had thus far said "We don't like large tablets" - but Apple thus
far, hadn't knocked one out.
And much would hinge upon the quality of the user experience - not least,
from the hardware perspective of physical screen interaction.
The jury remains out until the buy-anything-Apple curve has flattened out
(at least a year) - but my money's on Jobs having lost the plot, just as it
was for just about every industry analyst at the iPad's announcement.

The iPad is a niche product and after the novelty has worn off, will remain
just that.

Nice try all the same though, Steve.

In article <jollyroger-(E-Mail Removed)>,
Jolly Roger <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
> "Advanced Kitty" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> > John Navas wrote:
> > > On Sun, 30 May 2010 16:00:17 +0100, "Advanced Kitty"
> > > <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> > > <(E-Mail Removed)>:
> > >
> > >> A rather sweeping assertion given the total lack of stastical data,
> > >> wouldn't you say ?
> > >
> > > Par for the course on Usenet.
> >
> > Well, you said it.
> >
> > When I first heard that Jobs was planning a tablet, I kind of stopped to
> > draw breath again.
> >
> > I could only think that his brush with mortality had turned him from savvy
> > innovator into a self-indulgent ball-dropper.
> > Kinda "Well, it's my baby - I can do what I like with it".
> >
> > The world had thus far said "We don't like large tablets" - but Apple thus
> > far, hadn't knocked one out.
> > And much would hinge upon the quality of the user experience - not least,
> > from the hardware perspective of physical screen interaction.
> > The jury remains out until the buy-anything-Apple curve has flattened out
> > (at least a year) - but my money's on Jobs having lost the plot, just as it
> > was for just about every industry analyst at the iPad's announcement.
> >
> > The iPad is a niche product and after the novelty has worn off, will remain
> > just that.
> >
> > Nice try all the same though, Steve.
>
> I'm saving this post so that I can reply to it a couple years from now
> and laugh my ass off at you. : )

They said the same crap about the iPhone. Yet again the last laugh will
be on them.

--
Charles

"Advanced Kitty" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> John Navas wrote:
> > On Sun, 30 May 2010 16:00:17 +0100, "Advanced Kitty"
> > <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> > <(E-Mail Removed)>:
> >
> >> A rather sweeping assertion given the total lack of stastical data,
> >> wouldn't you say ?
> >
> > Par for the course on Usenet.
>
> Well, you said it.
>
> When I first heard that Jobs was planning a tablet, I kind of stopped to
> draw breath again.
>
> I could only think that his brush with mortality had turned him from savvy
> innovator into a self-indulgent ball-dropper.
> Kinda "Well, it's my baby - I can do what I like with it".
>
> The world had thus far said "We don't like large tablets" - but Apple thus
> far, hadn't knocked one out.

That's more because pretty much all the other tablets have been clunky, slow
devices running a desktop OS and desktop software - that simply doesn't
work, whether using your fingers or a stylus.


> The iPad is a niche product and after the novelty has worn off, will
remain
> just that.
>
> Nice try all the same though, Steve.

The iPad is and always has really been a video iPod. It is not and never was
a replacement for a laptop computer, but far too many people are stupidly
thinking it is

Apple rarely gets it completely wrong, and when they (supposedly) do it's
really a matter of mis-timing, e.g. the Newton was cancelled just as
everybody else started jumping on the PDA bandwagon.

"John Navas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> Pretty much my thinking as well.
> I need a decent keyboard for email, documents, presentations,
> annotations, etc.

You can get a real keyboard for the iPad - both from Apple and evidently
most USB keyboards via the camera adapter ... BUT the iPad is not a
computer, never was, never will be.


> Why would anyone rationally buy an iPad when (say) the Acer
> Aspire One can be had for only $200 (Newegg Memorial Day sale)?

You'd buy the iPad just to escape Windoze hell. :-)

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, John Navas
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I need a decent keyboard for email, documents, presentations,
> annotations, etc.

your needs aren't the same as everyone's.

> Why would anyone rationally buy an iPad when (say) the Acer
> Aspire One can be had for only $200 (Newegg Memorial Day sale)?

two entirely different products for different purposes.

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, John Navas
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> >They said the same crap about the iPhone. Yet again the last laugh will
> >be on them.
>
> Tell that to those of us with Android phones that cost us less, give us
> more, and don't limit us to AT&T.

android phones are just catching up to iphones and the at&t exclusivity
is going to end, probably sooner than people think.

android 2.2 *adds* the ability to back up user's data (amazingly, it
was not there before), and that's an api call that an app has to make.
wtf!! on an iphone, the user's data is automatically backed up. it
'just works.'

here's one example, and note that android 2.1 was *just* released (may
19). 2.2 is a *ways* off (see below).

<http://www.htc.com/us/support/hero-sprint/downloads>
WARNING: Installing this software will erase your current user data.
Please see instructions below for details.
....
Text and picture messages will be deleted with this software update.*
You can back up text and picture messages by forwarding them to an
email address.
....
Applications will be deleted with this software update.* You will
need to re-download the desired applications from the Market after
this update completes.

seriously, who thought deleting the user's data is a good idea?

android 2.2 adds tethering, something the iphone has had for a year.
although at&t doesn't support it on the iphone, just about every other
carrier does. google did do a nice job with making it create a wifi
hotspot, but it remains to be seen how many carriers will support it,
and since the carriers can modify the code (it's open source, after
all), they could disable tethering entirely. sprint has announced it's
going to be $30/mo *more* for tethering.

it also adds exchange support, something the iphone has had for 2
years, and still does not have in-app purchases.

but the real kicker is android 2.2 is not out yet unless you own a
nexus one. it may be until the *end of the year* for some devices, or
maybe not at all, like the t-mobile g1 that's still being sold. 2.1 is
the end of the line for g1 users, a phone that's less than 2 years old.

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, John Navas
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> >- Eyesight problems and older users: The average teenager has no
> >problems running a web browser on a cell phone or iPod Touch. The
> >avereage 50+ year old can't see as well and has problem. Tiny
> >keyboards and small target areas add to the problem. The iPad screen
> >is large enough for even the most eyesight challenged user to operate
> >and with an on screen keyboard (with practice) seems quite usable.
>
> 1. The excellent 10" LED-backed screen on the Acer Aspire One I'm using
> to type this is clear and sharp (ClearType enabled and properly
> configured).

the acer does not have an ips display.

> 2. I personally need a decent keyboard for email, documents,
> presentations, annotations, etc. The iPad "keyboard" just doesn't cut
> it.

maybe for you but not for others.

> >- Computing in bed: While not exactly a mainstream application, it
> >really is awkward and clumsy trying to operate a laptop or netbook in
> >bed. Cell phones and PDA's are possible, but the small screen and
> >keyboard areas make it difficult. With the iPad, she just throws it
> >onto the bed, and pokes at the screen when it says email has arrived.
> >While a conventional keyboard is best when sitting at a desk, the on
> >screen keyboad dramatically reduces the clutter and clumsiness when
> >computing in bed. She does have the Bluetooth keyboard, but finds
> >that it's usually not necessary.
>
> 3. I find a netbook (like this Acer Aspire One) works great in bed (and
> other odd places), probably because I don't like lying on my tummy,
> preferring to sit up with a machine on my lap, typing on a real
> keyboard.

who said anything about lying on your tummy? it's ideal for using it in
your lap, and there are plenty of tasks that do not require a keyboard
at all, such as browsing, reading an ebook, watching a video and more.

> >In my never humble opinion, the best thing about the iPad is the
> >absolutely gorgeous 1024x768 LCD display. I did a side by side
> >comparison with my assortment of PDA's, netbooks, laptops, and DVD
> >players. The iPad display looks the best playing a movie in bed.
>
> 4. I took this Acer Aspire One across the street to the Apple store, put
> it side by side with an iPad, and the screen compares pretty well,
> especially given the huge price difference.

it's not a netbook.

why don't you compare it to a desktop computer with a 24" ips lcd
display? crazy comparison, right? so is comparing an ipad and a
netbook.

> 5. I much prefer Windows, because Windows runs the software I need,
> including Flash, multitasking, etc.

maybe for you but not for others. iphone os devices can do a lot of
things windows cannot.

> >- Use in a vehicle: When one of my neighbors first saw the full size
> >advertisement for the iPad, he cut it out, pasted it to a piece of
> >cardboard, and experimented with where it would fit in his car. I got
> >the clue immediately. It's not the best car computer, but it's good
> >enough for many things (navigation, web surfing, watching videos,
> >music, email, etc). However, unlike the typical iPod player, where it
> >sits on the seat or hump and uses the car radio for control and
> >display, the iPad will end up doing everything and the radio simply
> >provide the audio amplification. Various entrepreneurs are already
> >providing vehicle mounts for the iPad.
>
> 6. I typically use my Android mobile in the car, with the audio plugged
> into the car stereo aux input, playing Internet Radio or Pandora, with
> Google Maps running at the same time giving me audio turn by turn
> directions while automatically pausing other audio. When a call comes
> in, I can take it by Bluetooth, or by speakerphone, with audio likewise
> automatically paused while the caller comes through the car stereo. And
> it works on the T-Mobile 3G network. Works a treat. iPad would be a
> huge step backwards for me.

the ipad is not a phone. why do you resort to bogus comparisons?

nevertheless, the ipad can do most of that now and will do all of that
with 4.0, although the phone part will be voip (i.e., skype).

plus, an ipad in a car is going to be *fantastic* for navigation. nice
big maps, with plenty of other information at the same time. no need to
flip through multiple screens to get all the info.

> 7. If I should want more computing in my car, a netbook would sit nicely
> on the seat next to me with no bracket needed.

what about 3g data? the ipad has a built in 3g card with the least
expensive data plan and pay as you go, no contracts.

> >Yes, these are niche markets, but they're potentially big ones that
> >are badly served by other devices and computahs.
>
> I think it's actually almost entirely a matter of cachet, like buying
> pricey bottled water (more on that below).

nope. it's a different tool for a different job.

> >As always, it's impossible to make everyone happy, including me. There
> >were plenty of things I don't like about the iPad that I wish Apple
> >had done differently. The most common complaints are the lack of a
> >camera, lack of Flash, lack of built in SD card slot, and lack of
> >multitasking. The last will be addressed by OS 4.0, but the others
> >are an irritation. There are a few additional complaints and comments
> >that I would like to add to the list.
>
> 8. This Acer Aspire One has a built-in multi-format card reader.
> 9. This Acer Aspire One has wired Fast Ethernet.
> 10. This Acer Aspire One has 160 GB hard drive.
> 11. This Acer Aspire One has a faster processor.
> 12. This Acer Aspire One has 3 USB ports.
> 13. This Acer Aspire One has printing capability.
> 14. This Acer Aspire One has a webcam.
> 15. This Acer Aspire One has video output.

the ipad has a gps
the ipad has a compass
the ipad has an accelerometer
the ipad has a touch user interface
the ipad is thinner
the ipad is lighter
the ipad has longer battery life
the ipad is faster at a lot of things, even though the cpu clock speed
is less. it's an entirely different cpu architecture.
the ipad also can print, it has video output and having a hard drive
means it's more fragile.

> 16. Gmail on my Android mobile is tightly integrated with everything
> else, better than any other device or email service I know of (including
> Blackberry). iPad (and iPhone) doesn't come close.

that's great if you use gmail. it's not so great if you don't. not
everyone uses gmail.

> As I wrote earlier, why would anyone rationally buy an iPad when (say)
> the Acer Aspire One can be had for only $200 (Newegg Memorial Day sale)?
> Or bottled water in San Francisco, when we arguably have the finest
> municipal water in the world? Probably for much the same reason.

because an ipad does things a netbook cannot, in a way that's far more
pleasant.

plus, comparing a sale price to a non-sale price is bullshit too. right
now the demand is far too high for the ipad to go on sale, but once
that equalizes, there will be discounts, as there always are.

as far as the water goes, whatever water you're drinking, there's
something odd in it.