Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

"ps56k" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> with several cities now up and running on WiMax,
> as it was just launched in Chicago,
> and I have seen several kiosks with the Moto live running receivers -
> desktop & USB -
> wondering how ClearWire will do as an investment ?
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CLWR
>
> It seems like Clear has several partners,
> as I've seen co-op ads from - Sprint, Comcast, etc -
>
> Both the base station + USB being offered for $55/month
> --
> ----------------------------------

Wondering -

How much of a lead does Clearwire & WiMax have
before the cellular carriers have 4G like LTE deployed ?

"ps56k" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "ps56k" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> with several cities now up and running on WiMax,
>> as it was just launched in Chicago,
>> and I have seen several kiosks with the Moto live running receivers -
>> desktop & USB -
>> wondering how ClearWire will do as an investment ?
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CLWR
>>
>> It seems like Clear has several partners,
>> as I've seen co-op ads from - Sprint, Comcast, etc -
>>
>> Both the base station + USB being offered for $55/month
>> --
>> ----------------------------------
>
> Wondering -
>
> How much of a lead does Clearwire & WiMax have
> before the cellular carriers have 4G like LTE deployed ?
>

hmmmmmmmm -
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r232...ear-in-Chicago

"ps56k" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in news:hfi0ub$8kk$1
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> Wondering -
>
> How much of a lead does Clearwire & WiMax have
> before the cellular carriers have 4G like LTE deployed ?
>
>
>

Totally different philosophies. Wimax carriers are in the business to
deliver UNLIMITED, HIGH SPEED data for use on anything you like.
Sellphone carriers are in business to sell PHONE SERVICE, first, and data
as a profit center after....to be milked for every cent they can.

Rode down I-20 in Atlanta speed testing off Clear's system at 10Mbps on a
Wimax aircard plugged into Dell's fastest laptop. That's NOT a burst-
speed trick or stupid sellphone compression fantasy. That's to a flash-
based speed test webpage, over and over. God it's FAST.

Difference is WiMax won't be throttling phone and TV services like
Sellphone carriers have done for years with their "only for email and web
browsing" bullshit. There's no "5GB/month then we're gonna screw you
good" mentality. What good will 5GB/month LTE 4G be? You don't expect a
company selling data at $1.99/MB, $1,990/GB, to let you stream TV at
2Mbps do you?.....ha!

I was one of the first cellular phone customers in Charleston, SC.

I intend to be one of the first WiMax data customers in Charleston, SC,
too!

Atlanta Wimax is here:
http://www.wimaxatl.com/

News about North Carolina is here:
http://www.yesdigital.com/

The combo plans are great. pick 2 = $55 for 6Mbps down/1Mbps up both
home or mobile. pick 3 is $75.

Think you'll ever see a sellphone carrier let you have two aircards and
home broadband for $75/mo UNLIMITED?...4 times as fast as VZW delivers
only 5GB/mo for $60 now?......NOT!

"Larry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "ps56k" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in news:hfi0ub$8kk$1
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Wondering -
>>
>> How much of a lead does Clearwire & WiMax have
>> before the cellular carriers have 4G like LTE deployed ?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Totally different philosophies. Wimax carriers are in the business to
> deliver UNLIMITED, HIGH SPEED data for use on anything you like.
> Sellphone carriers are in business to sell PHONE SERVICE, first, and data
> as a profit center after....to be milked for every cent they can.
>
> Rode down I-20 in Atlanta speed testing off Clear's system at 10Mbps on a
> Wimax aircard plugged into Dell's fastest laptop. That's NOT a burst-
> speed trick or stupid sellphone compression fantasy. That's to a flash-
> based speed test webpage, over and over. God it's FAST.
>
> Difference is WiMax won't be throttling phone and TV services like
> Sellphone carriers have done for years with their "only for email and web
> browsing" bullshit. There's no "5GB/month then we're gonna screw you
> good" mentality. What good will 5GB/month LTE 4G be? You don't expect a
> company selling data at $1.99/MB, $1,990/GB, to let you stream TV at
> 2Mbps do you?.....ha!
>
> I was one of the first cellular phone customers in Charleston, SC.
>
> I intend to be one of the first WiMax data customers in Charleston, SC,
> too!
>
> Atlanta Wimax is here:
> http://www.wimaxatl.com/
>
> News about North Carolina is here:
> http://www.yesdigital.com/
>
> The combo plans are great. pick 2 = $55 for 6Mbps down/1Mbps up both
> home or mobile. pick 3 is $75.
>
> Think you'll ever see a sellphone carrier let you have two aircards and
> home broadband for $75/mo UNLIMITED?...4 times as fast as VZW delivers
> only 5GB/mo for $60 now?......NOT!
>

like with most broadband services - be it DSL or Cable -
it will be interesting to read more of the real world experiences
like here on DSL/Broadband reports
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r232...ear-in-Chicago

I can still see several "pizza box antennas" around our area rooftops
from the last broadband wireless effort in Chicago - abandoned -

There's even a couple dozen of the muni WiFi system antennas still on the
street lights - again abandoned -

"ps56k" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in news:hfi6f6$gvq$1
@news.eternal-september.org:

> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r232...ear-in-Chicago

Think back to when one of the sellphone carriers came to your town. They
put up the first 5 towers across town then kept building out over a year or
two to fill in the holes. Some got fantastic service. Others were in the
DEAD ZONES as I used to call them on here when we switched to digital from
AMPS.

Growing pains.....I'm amazed at how much building Clear is doing!

When I got my first cellular phone, there were two 500' towers to cover all
of Charleston, SC. Service sucked away from the towers, of course. A year
later, we had 12. Service was much improved. We switched to digital.
Service sucked again. But, it got better as lots of small sites replaced
the AMPS monsters my 3W bagphone used. Growing pains.

As long as the building doesn't stop halfassed done like ATT/Cingular did,
it'll happen with time.....

"ps56k" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> I can still see several "pizza box antennas" around our area rooftops
> from the last broadband wireless effort in Chicago - abandoned -
>
> There's even a couple dozen of the muni WiFi system antennas still on
> the street lights - again abandoned -
>
>
>

Within a couple of miles of my house, you can connect to W4CSC-R with your
Pringle's cantenna and wifi router and use mine. If everyone did this,
city systems would have be unnecessary. Warchalking isn't as good as it
used to be before the comm companies rang all the alarm bells to reduce the
freebie loading. Bandwidth goes to horrible waste across the net because
of all the locked up routers noone can borrow in the neighborhood.

You'll find a couple of Pringles cantennas on top of the enlisted barracks
of the Charleston AFB....My little contribution to the troops keeping us
safe. They're 1.8 miles from my 50' inverted plastic bucket with the 100mw
router and 6db antenna. That's pretty good coverage, considering all the
other routers raising hell in the area!

Help yourself. It's not secured and there's 6mbps down for all to share.

Heresy, ain't it? How awful!

"Ness-Net" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> You mellowing on us??
>

NEVAH!.....(c;]

I'm watching for the Green Clearwire trucks to come rolling into town!

In article <Xns9CDB77BCFCB52noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, (E-Mail Removed)
says...
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> "Ness-Net" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> > You mellowing on us??
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>
> NEVAH!.....(c;]
>
> I'm watching for the Green Clearwire trucks to come rolling into town!

I'm betting Larry's issues are specifically with digital radios, like
the ones in modern cell phones. And the problem is not limited to cell
phones.

Clear Channel, CBS Radio and many smaller players are hyping HDRadio,
but, being digital, it too suffers from shorter range.

Even the Sirius satellite receiver in my new car has occasional issues.
I can count on losing the broadcast when I use the drive-up ATM at the
bank near my house. No line-of-sight to the satellite... no signal.
(Although I still think satellite radio is cool :>)

--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
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In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
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> Your Sirius receiver is usually receiving its signals from low power
> radio transmitters which are 22,000 miles away; I'd like to see you do
> that distance with an analog receiver (you could, but it would require
> either significantly more power at the satellite or a much uglier
> receiving antenna on your car). Needless to say, when receiving radio
> over a 22,000 mile path it is hard to entirely avoid the occasional
> "issue", though I'd note that I also have "issues" with high power
> analog FM transmitters which are only 30 miles away when I stop my car
> in the middle of a multipath fade. Radio is seldom perfectly reliable.


How dare you bring facts into this conversation!

Actually, our bank is one of the few places where I consistently drop
the Sirius signal. Other locations, even locations with a concrete
canopy over me (like at our bank), don't have much of a problem.

And the beautiful thing is: when I drive through no-man's land in
northeast San Diego County , where I've already lost the Los Angeles FM
stations and I'm not quite close enough to get the San Diego FM signals,
Sirius works.

(I work onsite in San Diego at least twice a month.)

SoCal sucks ass for FM radio, due to the mountainous terrain. I only
live about 70 miles northeast of Los Angeles, and I shouldn't have to
drive 30-45 minutes to hear Los Angeles radio stations, but I do...
except under certain conditions when I can drive out to the west end of
the Victor Valley, out near US 395, and occasionally get Jack FM or
KLOS.


--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
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Dennis Ferguson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> Your Sirius receiver is usually receiving its signals from low power
> radio transmitters which are 22,000 miles away; I'd like to see you do
> that distance with an analog receiver (you could, but it would require
> either significantly more power at the satellite or a much uglier
> receiving antenna on your car). Needless to say, when receiving radio
> over a 22,000 mile path it is hard to entirely avoid the occasional
> "issue", though I'd note that I also have "issues" with high power
> analog FM transmitters which are only 30 miles away when I stop my car
> in the middle of a multipath fade. Radio is seldom perfectly reliable.
>
> Dennis Ferguson
>
>

I love these "digital radio" discussions. You'd think the goddamned data
was spewing out from the antenna. NOTHING is further from the truth!
Data cannot be transmitted. Data is fed to a MODEM to be converted into
TONES, which are then fed to A NARROW BAND FM TRANSMITTER....or in the
case of wifi A WIDEBAND FM TRANSMITTER! From the point it enters the
MODEM the signal is ANALOG!

All cellular transmitters are FM transmitters. Some used to have direct
voice modulation. They are gone, now, replaced by modems feeding tons of
tone pairs into the FM modulator.

You guys are SO funny......)(c;]

No, I don't give a shit which data modulation scheme is fed to the MODEM.