Re (2): how to do gmail not web-based ?

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Sidney Lambe <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> no-(E-Mail Removed)d <no-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > Web based email is really bad.
--snip--
> > Of course it's readable in my browser where I read my
> > gmail; but could yahoo users send plain-text mail
> > via their yahoo accounts ?
> >
Between all the kiddie chatter, no one answered this !

But Sid wrote:--
> I just use msmtp:
>
> account default
> host smtp.gmail.com
> port 587
> protocol smtp
> logfile ~/.msmtp-log
> auth on
> from (E-Mail Removed)
> user (E-Mail Removed)
> password xxxxxxx
> tls on
> tls_starttls on
>
>
> and fetchmail:
>
> poll pop.gmail.com
> proto pop3
> port 995
> user "(E-Mail Removed)"
> pass "xxxxxxxxxxxx"
> is username here
> # this if you don't run an MTA like sendmail:
> and wants mda "/usr/bin/formail -s /usr/bin/procmail"
> fetchall
> flush
> limitflush
> limit 50000
> ssl
>
Ok, thanks, I'll file that for testing, but you haven't
answered *my* implied question/s.

1. does gmail provide pop/smtp where they can't spam
you as effectively as with http ?
A. apparently yes .

2. my gmail equivalent of pop & smtp url/S are http....com,
so what's my corresponding "pop.*", "smtp.*" name/s ?

3. Do users who use non-http-gmail just need to know
these pop/smtp server names and simply use the same
ID & password ?

4. can we just switch back & forth betwen http/non-http
modes ?
---
To summarise the problem: when you're introduced to gmail,
it's given as gmail.com; which puts you in their http server.
But how do you operate via 'mail server/s protocol' ?

== TIA.

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:43:52 -0400, <no-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Between all the kiddie chatter, no one answered this !

Probably because it's off topic for all of these groups.

Login to your gmail account at http://www.gmail.com

At the top of the page, beside your login id, click
on the Settings link.

Click on the "Forwarding and POP/IMAP" tab.

For "POP Download", select "enable pop for all mail".
Select the option you want for
"When messages are accessed with POP".

Save the changes.

Follow the instructions in
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/a...l&answer=12103
to setup your email client, to access the gmail
smtp/pop servers.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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no-(E-Mail Removed)d, no-(E-Mail Removed)d,
<h4b048$b1m$(E-Mail Removed)>, wrote:

> To summarise the problem: when you're introduced to gmail,
> it's given as gmail.com; which puts you in their http server.
> But how do you operate via 'mail server/s protocol' ?

You read the instructions. They're, there, they're quite simple.
--
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"...hit the squirrel..."

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "David W. Hodgins" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:43:52 -0400, <no-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> > Between all the kiddie chatter, no one answered this !
>
David W. Hodgins wrote:-
> Probably because it's off topic for all of these groups.
>
No, I'm referring to my now snipped question of 'can I expect
yahoo mailers to be able to send me plain-text emails,
if I ask them to do so ?'

> Login to your gmail account at http://www.gmail.com
>
> At the top of the page, beside your login id, click
> on the Settings link.
>
OK, I see the 'Settings' link.
I'm not happy to disable the present working mode.
Previously I added some facility, and the passsword
needed to be extended from 6 to 8 or more.
And then my opera browser couldn't connect !

> Click on the "Forwarding and POP/IMAP" tab.
>
> For "POP Download", select "enable pop for all mail".
> Select the option you want for
> "When messages are accessed with POP".
>
> Save the changes.
>
> Follow the instructions in
> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/a...l&answer=12103
> to setup your email client, to access the gmail
> smtp/pop servers.
>
OK, thanks I'll read the *mail&answer=12103.
-----------
Previously Sid wrote:-
> I just use msmtp:
> host smtp.gmail.com
> port 587
....snip...
> poll pop.gmail.com
> proto pop3
> port 995
....snip
which gave me the URL/s, that I should have
guessed.
But the ports are non-standard. And here's a telnet
log of my investigations, including a test log of my
normal own isp-mail-server/s confirmation :-
# telnet "pop.gmail.com" 995 <--- My attempt
Trying 209.85.133.109...
Connected to pop.gmail.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
help <-- my input
Connection closed by foreign host.
# telnet "smtp.gmail.com" 587 <--- My attempt
Trying 209.85.133.109...
Connected to smtp.gmail.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 mx.google.com ESMTP c40sm1594382anc.7
help <-- my input ; OK! I'll check the: *RFC+2821*
214 2.0.0 http://www.google.com/search?btnI&q=RFC+2821 c40sm1594382anc.7
quit
221 2.0.0 closing connection c40sm1594382anc.7
Connection closed by foreign host.
------ I'll investigate the cited 'search?btnI&q=RFC+2821'
# telnet "pop.gmail.com" 995
Trying 209.85.133.109...
Connected to pop.gmail.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
USER (E-Mail Removed)
Connection closed by foreign host.
===and here's my confirmed procedure for my isp's pop
# telnet pop.absamail.co.za 110
Trying 196.41.6.141...
Connected to pop.absamail.co.za.
Escape character is '^]'.
+OK Hello there.
USER (E-Mail Removed)
+OK Password required. <-- USER accepted
quit
+OK Better luck next time.
Connection closed by foreign host.
===========

== TIA

Sidney Lambe, Mage of the Internet, Grand Wizard of the electrons,
(E-Mail Removed)d, looked into the crystal ball that replaces the
monitor on his 78 keyed wiccan computer and spake forth in stentorian
tones, the following invocation, <4a697cdd$(E-Mail Removed)>, to the
undeserving peasant that had petitioned his aid:

> This is becoming absurd.
>
> One more time: You just plug the gmail password and username
> into an ordinary mail client.
>
> The telnet session didn't work because it is an encrypted
> connection. That's what those non-standard ports are about.
> That's what "tls on", "tls_starttls on", and "ssl" in the
> configuration files I posted are about.
>
>
> Sid

And we the undeserving ordinary people of the mystic lands of Slackwaria
beheld the passage from his wonderous Grimoire, and were fearful that his
gaze may fall upon us and he may declare and pronounce us Sockpuppet. for
at the utterance of the mighty Sidney we may have laid upon us the seventh
part of the seventh part of the seventh part of one 'Bozo' point, but that
such a fragment of a 'Bozo' would divide rather than add to any other
point so granted by him, and that none so afflicted by him would ever be
able to use the Sockpuppet score to add to our store of real 'Bozo'
points.

--
Two Ravens
"...hit the squirrel..."

On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:53:08 -0400, <no-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> No, I'm referring to my now snipped question of 'can I expect
> yahoo mailers to be able to send me plain-text emails,
> if I ask them to do so ?'

The answer to that is no. That's why I don't use yahoo.

> And then my opera browser couldn't connect !

In opera, create the account, then use
Tools/Mail and chat accounts, double click on the
gmail account, and edit it to be like ...
http://www.ody.ca/~dwhodgins/gmailsetup.jpg
That's what I'm using for gmail with opera.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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Sidney Lambe wrote:

> This is becoming absurd.

I agree, learn to fucking SNIP the posts you reply to!