Problems with a new laptop

Hi all,

Hope you can help me with a little problem.

I have a private wireless network, which has been working without
major problems a couple of years.

All of my units are able to access the network, which is controlled by
a Topcom Skyracer (Cheap crap, but it works). My units are a PDA, a
laptop and a stationary.

Just changed job and got an extra laptop, and this one can't access
the network. It's a Thinkpad from IBM. I can see the network, but
after entering the encryption key (= WEP 64 bit HEX), nothing else
happens for a while, until the display with available networks appears
again, without the unit being logged on.

There are no messages on the router or the laptop (as usual).

The strange thing is, that the same laptop is able to gain access to
my neighbours network, and the one at my new job.

Tried almost all parameters on the router and laptop I can think of.
Tried disabling firewall etc. on the laptop, but no results.

Anyone got any pointers ?

Regards
Niels

NSM <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> the network. It's a Thinkpad from IBM. I can see the network, but
> after entering the encryption key (= WEP 64 bit HEX), nothing else
> happens for a while, until the display with available networks appears
> again, without the unit being logged on.

I vaguely recall that the "ThinkVantage" package had some preconfiguration
that doesn't like WEP-64 in particular. I noticed that it would show a
very low signal in one screen, but when I did connect it showed very good
signal. Mine is a T60p.

There are two different icons in my systray. The icon with a PC and the
WiFi "radiation" as an icon is for my AR5211 built in WiFi, where Windows
is _not_ configured to manage the WiFi. The other icon is a PC above a
cable, more of a generic network icon. That is ThinkVantage.


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"NSM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> Hope you can help me with a little problem.
>
> I have a private wireless network, which has been working without
> major problems a couple of years.
>
> All of my units are able to access the network, which is controlled by
> a Topcom Skyracer (Cheap crap, but it works). My units are a PDA, a
> laptop and a stationary.
>
> Just changed job and got an extra laptop, and this one can't access
> the network. It's a Thinkpad from IBM. I can see the network, but
> after entering the encryption key (= WEP 64 bit HEX), nothing else
> happens for a while, until the display with available networks appears
> again, without the unit being logged on.
>
> There are no messages on the router or the laptop (as usual).
>
> The strange thing is, that the same laptop is able to gain access to
> my neighbours network, and the one at my new job.
>
> Tried almost all parameters on the router and laptop I can think of.
> Tried disabling firewall etc. on the laptop, but no results.
>
> Anyone got any pointers ?
>
> Regards
> Niels
>

is it set to Shared and can you manually select (set) the channel.

On 3 May 2007 11:54:54 -0700, NSM <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
<(E-Mail Removed). com>:

>Hope you can help me with a little problem.
>
>I have a private wireless network, which has been working without
>major problems a couple of years.
>
>All of my units are able to access the network, which is controlled by
>a Topcom Skyracer (Cheap crap, but it works). My units are a PDA, a
>laptop and a stationary.
>
>Just changed job and got an extra laptop, and this one can't access
>the network. It's a Thinkpad from IBM. I can see the network, but
>after entering the encryption key (= WEP 64 bit HEX), nothing else
>happens for a while, until the display with available networks appears
>again, without the unit being logged on.
>
>There are no messages on the router or the laptop (as usual).
>
>The strange thing is, that the same laptop is able to gain access to
>my neighbours network, and the one at my new job.
>
>Tried almost all parameters on the router and laptop I can think of.
>Tried disabling firewall etc. on the laptop, but no results.
>
>Anyone got any pointers ?

Probable WEP key mismatch. Re-enter _all_ WEP keys in hex (not
characters).

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On 4 Maj, 17:10, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On 3 May 2007 11:54:54 -0700, NSM <n...@privat.dk> wrote in
> <1178218494.209749.27...@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups. com>:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Hope you can help me with a little problem.
>
> >I have a private wireless network, which has been working without
> >major problems a couple of years.
>
> >All of my units are able to access the network, which is controlled by
> >a Topcom Skyracer (Cheap crap, but it works). My units are a PDA, a
> >laptop and a stationary.
>
> >Just changed job and got an extra laptop, and this one can't access
> >the network. It's a Thinkpad from IBM. I can see the network, but
> >after entering the encryption key (= WEP 64 bit HEX), nothing else
> >happens for a while, until the display with available networks appears
> >again, without the unit being logged on.
>
> >There are no messages on the router or the laptop (as usual).
>
> >The strange thing is, that the same laptop is able to gain access to
> >my neighbours network, and the one at my new job.
>
> >Tried almost all parameters on the router and laptop I can think of.
> >Tried disabling firewall etc. on the laptop, but no results.
>
> >Anyone got any pointers ?
>
> Probable WEP key mismatch. Re-enter _all_ WEP keys in hex (not
> characters).
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
> John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
> Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>- Skjul tekst i anførselstegn -
>
> - Vis tekst i anførselstegn -

Tried to disable the WEP altogether, and restarted the router. The
wireless appeared on my laptop without encryption, but same result
when trying to log on.

Niels

On 4 Maj, 08:17, "Fergus" <9...@118btinternet.com> wrote:
> "NSM" <n...@privat.dk> wrote in message
>
> news:(E-Mail Removed) ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi all,
>
> > Hope you can help me with a little problem.
>
> > I have a private wireless network, which has been working without
> > major problems a couple of years.
>
> > All of my units are able to access the network, which is controlled by
> > a Topcom Skyracer (Cheap crap, but it works). My units are a PDA, a
> > laptop and a stationary.
>
> > Just changed job and got an extra laptop, and this one can't access
> > the network. It's a Thinkpad from IBM. I can see the network, but
> > after entering the encryption key (= WEP 64 bit HEX), nothing else
> > happens for a while, until the display with available networks appears
> > again, without the unit being logged on.
>
> > There are no messages on the router or the laptop (as usual).
>
> > The strange thing is, that the same laptop is able to gain access to
> > my neighbours network, and the one at my new job.
>
> > Tried almost all parameters on the router and laptop I can think of.
> > Tried disabling firewall etc. on the laptop, but no results.
>
> > Anyone got any pointers ?
>
> > Regards
> > Niels
>
> is it set to Shared and can you manually select (set) the channel.- Skjultekst i anførselstegn -
>
> - Vis tekst i anførselstegn -

I can manually set the channel on the router, but as far as I can see
not one the driver/laptop (managed by windows).

If it was a channel problem, I wouldn't be able to see the network
though, or ... ?

Sorry for late reply ..

Niels

NSM wrote:
> On 4 Maj, 17:10, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> On 3 May 2007 11:54:54 -0700, NSM <n...@privat.dk> wrote in
>> <1178218494.209749.27...@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups. com>:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hope you can help me with a little problem.
>>
>>> I have a private wireless network, which has been working without
>>> major problems a couple of years.
>>
>>> All of my units are able to access the network, which is controlled
>>> by a Topcom Skyracer (Cheap crap, but it works). My units are a
>>> PDA, a laptop and a stationary.
>>
>>> Just changed job and got an extra laptop, and this one can't access
>>> the network. It's a Thinkpad from IBM. I can see the network, but
>>> after entering the encryption key (= WEP 64 bit HEX), nothing else
>>> happens for a while, until the display with available networks
>>> appears again, without the unit being logged on.
>>
>>> There are no messages on the router or the laptop (as usual).
>>
>>> The strange thing is, that the same laptop is able to gain access to
>>> my neighbours network, and the one at my new job.
>>
>>> Tried almost all parameters on the router and laptop I can think of.
>>> Tried disabling firewall etc. on the laptop, but no results.
>>
>>> Anyone got any pointers ?
>>
>> Probable WEP key mismatch. Re-enter _all_ WEP keys in hex (not
>> characters).
>>
>> --
>> Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet:
>> <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
>> John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi:
>> <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi> Wi-Fi How To:
>> <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
>> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems:
>> <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>- Skjul tekst i
>> anførselstegn -
>>
>> - Vis tekst i anførselstegn -
>
> Tried to disable the WEP altogether, and restarted the router. The
> wireless appeared on my laptop without encryption, but same result
> when trying to log on.
>
> Niels

You didn't say, but does one do B and other stuff G? I had an old wap/router
that only did B, and when I got a new laptop that only did "G" I had to
upgrade.. (actually I found out later I could have set it to B and G, rather
than G only, but by then I already had a new wap)

NSM wrote:

> Tried almost all parameters on the router and laptop I can think of.
> Tried disabling firewall etc. on the laptop, but no results.
>
> Anyone got any pointers ?
>
> Regards
> Niels

I just added a laptop to a relatives wireless network. I set up this
network a long time ago, and I can't remember the reason, but I set it
up to only allow access from specific MAC addresses (MAC filtering). At
power-up you can see the network on any laptop, and since it shows up as
"unsecure" you'd think that you should be able to connect, but only the
specific MAC addresses that I configured can access it. Are you sure you
didn't do MAC filtering when you set up the router?

On May 12, 8:01 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> NSM wrote:
>Are you sure you
> didn't do MAC filtering when you set up the router?



Good one. MAC filtering is one of the first to check
And of course turn off security as you did.

On the client end, first thing for me (after radio on) is:
Who's managing the connection? Windows Zero Config or the Client's
included softare (IBM, Toshiba, Belkin....)

I check by going to "view availible networks" (taskbar pc icon>rt-
click) and checking. If instead of showing availible networks, it
says "you have another program configured to do this" , then I know
that Windows Zero is disabled.

Whichever has got control, switch-over from the Thinkpad Access
Connections to Windows Zero or vice-versa. Reboot generously. If no
good, then reinstall driver and/or different versions and try again.




This confusion between Windows Zero Config vs Access Connections or
Toshiba.... or ...has been a problem for me with various computers.
Right now, my Thinkpad R-51 XP is not accepting that I uninstalled
Thinkpad Access Connections and want to startup with Windows Zero.
Somehow it still thinks Access has the ball and won't start up with
Windows Zero Config. I have to go to services.msc to turn on the
service and then it works. I think it finally took today, after
toggling settings for a week.

I've also seen it where I had two pcmcia adapters and the included
software's settings for one (use WZC or not) got stuck on the other,
even after the first was uninstalled. I had re-install my Belkin,
change it back to "Use Windows to manage" before the Orinoco would
work. This happened on two different pcs, different cards.


Steve

On 12 Maj, 23:17, seaweedsteve <seaweedst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 12, 8:01 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > NSM wrote:
> >Are you sure you
> > didn't do MAC filtering when you set up the router?
>
> Good one. MAC filtering is one of the first to check
> And of course turn off security as you did.
>
> On the client end, first thing for me (after radio on) is:
> Who's managing the connection? Windows Zero Config or the Client's
> included softare (IBM, Toshiba, Belkin....)
>
> I check by going to "view availible networks" (taskbar pc icon>rt-
> click) and checking. If instead of showing availible networks, it
> says "you have another program configured to do this" , then I know
> that Windows Zero is disabled.
>
> Whichever has got control, switch-over from the Thinkpad Access
> Connections to Windows Zero or vice-versa. Reboot generously. If no
> good, then reinstall driver and/or different versions and try again.
>
> This confusion between Windows Zero Config vs Access Connections or
> Toshiba.... or ...has been a problem for me with various computers.
> Right now, my Thinkpad R-51 XP is not accepting that I uninstalled
> Thinkpad Access Connections and want to startup with Windows Zero.
> Somehow it still thinks Access has the ball and won't start up with
> Windows Zero Config. I have to go to services.msc to turn on the
> service and then it works. I think it finally took today, after
> toggling settings for a week.
>
> I've also seen it where I had two pcmcia adapters and the included
> software's settings for one (use WZC or not) got stuck on the other,
> even after the first was uninstalled. I had re-install my Belkin,
> change it back to "Use Windows to manage" before the Orinoco would
> work. This happened on two different pcs, different cards.
>
> Steve

Hi all,

I've tried most of the suggestion:

Disabled security
Checked that MAC filtering is disabled
Checked almost all settings on the laptop and router
Even tried disabling thee wireless protocols one after the other on
the laptop

I havent got other connection software than windows built-in. Laptop
was configured when I got it, so the software controlling the
connections is normal windows.

Strange thing is that the laptop doesnt have problems connecting to my
neighbours network. Thinking about getting an USB dongle instead ..