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Hi i need some help, i have got a sar715 Router and have got 1 computer
connected to it, and one crossover cable connected to the uplink which goes
to another computer, which i will call my server, with 2 ethernet cards, the
second ethernet card feeds a hub via straight through cable and from the
hub, 3 other computers are connected, the reason for this setup is I want to
be able to limit bandwidth to the 3 computers on the hub, i use a bandwidth
management software, all works fine apart from one thing, my computer thats
connected to the sar715 cannot see the other 3 computers on the hub, it can
see the server computer, is there anyway of sorting this out? all 5
computers are running windows xp pro.
Thank you all for your help in advance.

Nice1.

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"Nice1" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi i need some help, i have got a sar715 Router and have got 1 computer
> connected to it, and one crossover cable connected to the uplink which
> goes to another computer, which i will call my server, with 2 ethernet
> cards, the second ethernet card feeds a hub via straight through cable
> and from the hub, 3 other computers are connected, the reason for this
> setup is I want to be able to limit bandwidth to the 3 computers on the
> hub, i use a bandwidth management software, all works fine apart from one
> thing, my computer thats connected to the sar715 cannot see the other 3
> computers on the hub, it can see the server computer, is there anyway of
> sorting this out? all 5 computers are running windows xp pro.

Numbering the PCs in the order you mention them, you have two networks: one
comprising the router and PCs 1-2; the second comprising PCs 2-5. Right?

What "bandwidth management" software are you using?

Does PC 2 perform address translation (eg using Microsoft Internet
Connection Sharing) for PCs 3-5?

If the answer to the last question is "yes," and the bandwidth management
software allows suitable configuration, the simplest solution would be to
get PC 1 on the same network as PCs 3-5, so that all Internet traffic goes
through PC 2. An alternative solution would be to replace the router with
one that can do the same job as the bandwidth management software, and
attach all PCs directly (possibly via a hub).

If PC 2 is /not/ performing address translation, then you need to set up a
route on PC 1 to direct traffic for PCs 3-5 through PC2. But I guess this
case doesn't apply, as you would have already needed to add a route to the
router. Which leads to one more solution: if PC 2 is performing address
translation, then turn it off and add the necessary routes to PC 1 and the
router (the latter may not be possible).

Alex

"Nice1" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi i need some help, i have got a sar715 Router and have got 1 computer
> connected to it, and one crossover cable connected to the uplink which
> goes to another computer, which i will call my server, with 2 ethernet
> cards, the second ethernet card feeds a hub via straight through cable and
> from the hub, 3 other computers are connected, the reason for this setup
> is I want to be able to limit bandwidth to the 3 computers on the hub, i
> use a bandwidth management software, all works fine apart from one thing,
> my computer thats connected to the sar715 cannot see the other 3 computers
> on the hub, it can see the server computer, is there anyway of sorting
> this out? all 5 computers are running windows xp pro.
> Thank you all for your help in advance.
>
> Nice1.
>
> .
Difficult one! I would try setting the IP address on the single machine to
something diferent to the other 'cluster', e.g. 192.168.1.1 /255.255.255.0
and the cluster 192.168.0.1 through 4. / 255.255.255.0 . Hopefully the
router should be intelligent enough to deal with this. You may have to
configure the routing table a bit.

This is just a guess!! Note your existing setting before trying!


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"Nice1" (E-Mail Removed) says...
> Hi i need some help, i have got a sar715 Router and have got 1 computer
> connected to it, and one crossover cable connected to the uplink which goes
> to another computer, which i will call my server, with 2 ethernet cards, the
> second ethernet card feeds a hub via straight through cable and from the
> hub, 3 other computers are connected, the reason for this setup is I want to
> be able to limit bandwidth to the 3 computers on the hub, i use a bandwidth
> management software, all works fine apart from one thing, my computer thats
> connected to the sar715 cannot see the other 3 computers on the hub, it can
> see the server computer, is there anyway of sorting this out? all 5
> computers are running windows xp pro.
> Thank you all for your help in advance.
>
What addresses are the various boxes using?

"Nice1" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:4174f2d8$0$47981$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi i need some help, i have got a sar715 Router and have got 1 computer
> connected to it, and one crossover cable connected to the uplink which
> goes to another computer, which i will call my server, with 2 ethernet
> cards, the second ethernet card feeds a hub via straight through cable and
> from the hub, 3 other computers are connected, the reason for this setup
> is I want to be able to limit bandwidth to the 3 computers on the hub, i
> use a bandwidth management software, all works fine apart from one thing,
> my computer thats connected to the sar715 cannot see the other 3 computers
> on the hub, it can see the server computer, is there anyway of sorting
> this out? all 5 computers are running windows xp pro.
> Thank you all for your help in advance.
>
> Nice1.

Hi , I have set the router to DHCP, originally DHCP was not enabled so i had
to input all the ips into the Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) This was ok but
still i could not see the network from PC (1) and yes Alex you are correct
on the lay out of the PCs, PC (2) has ICS enabled and PCs 3-5 have theres
set to obtain an IP and DNS address automaticlly and no PC 1 has the same
settup, i did not want to put my PC (1) through PC 2 as i thought it might
slow things down, but i am not sure as i am a noob to all this but willing
to learn, the software i am using is Bandwidth Controller
http://www.bandwidthcontroller.com/ it seems to do its job.

Nice1 wrote:

> Hi i need some help, i have got a sar715 Router and have got 1 computer
> connected to it, and one crossover cable connected to the uplink which
> goes to another computer, which i will call my server, with 2 ethernet
> cards, the second ethernet card feeds a hub via straight through cable and
> from the hub, 3 other computers are connected, the reason for this setup
> is I want to be able to limit bandwidth to the 3 computers on the hub, i
> use a bandwidth management software, all works fine apart from one thing,
> my computer thats connected to the sar715 cannot see the other 3 computers
> on the hub, it can see the server computer, is there anyway of sorting
> this out? all 5 computers are running windows xp pro.
> Thank you all for your help in advance.
>
> Nice1.
>
> .

This type of situation is really best handled by a Linux box, most logical
would be to stick a PC running IP Cop or a similar specialist Linux
between the hub and the router-modem and connect everything else to the
hub. The IP Cop box can do the throttling with different settings for
individual pcs and gives you a caching proxy server and gives you a bullet
proof firewall.

A basic IPCop set up takes about 20 minutes privided you have an old working
486 or better PC with 2 network cards (or like use a single pci dual nic
card), once setup it dosen't even need a keyboard or monitor.

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> "Nice1" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> Hi i need some help, i have got a sar715 Router and have got 1 computer
>> connected to it, and one crossover cable connected to the uplink which
>> goes to another computer, which i will call my server, with 2 ethernet
>> cards, the second ethernet card feeds a hub via straight through cable
>> and from the hub, 3 other computers are connected, the reason for this
>> setup is I want to be able to limit bandwidth to the 3 computers on the
>> hub, i use a bandwidth management software, all works fine apart from one
>> thing, my computer thats connected to the sar715 cannot see the other 3
>> computers on the hub, it can see the server computer, is there anyway of
>> sorting this out? all 5 computers are running windows xp pro.
>> Thank you all for your help in advance.
>>
>> Nice1.
>
> Hi , I have set the router to DHCP, originally DHCP was not enabled so i
> had to input all the ips into the Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) This was ok
> but still i could not see the network from PC (1) and yes Alex you are
> correct on the lay out of the PCs, PC (2) has ICS enabled and PCs 3-5
> have theres set to obtain an IP and DNS address automaticlly and no PC 1
> has the same settup, i did not want to put my PC (1) through PC 2 as i
> thought it might slow things down, but i am not sure as i am a noob to all
> this but willing to learn, the software i am using is Bandwidth Controller
> http://www.bandwidthcontroller.com/ it seems to do its job.
>
>
>
The way I see it the only pc to use the router DHCP is PC1. PC2 has ICS
enabled and will have a static address of 192.168.0.1 and PC3,4 and 5 will
obtain their IP from PC2. The reason you want PC3,4 and 5 to go through PC2
is so you can control their bandwidth.

As far as PC2 is concerned any traffic (and only traffic) not on the IP
192.168.0. subnet is 'internet' traffic and is routed out through the NIC
connected to the router. All other local traffic is sent out to the NIC
connected to the hub with PC3,4 and 5. The DHCP request from 3-5 will be
served up by PC2 and will not pass through to the router so the router will
never be aware of these machines.

So unless your router has a configurable NAT, AFAIC, you're stuffed!







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Addendum to my last reply - unless it's physically possible to connect PC1
to the hub.


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"Nice1" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> i did not want to put my PC (1) through PC 2 as i thought it might
> slow things down, but i am not sure as i am a noob to all this but
> willing to learn, the software i am using is Bandwidth Controller
> http://www.bandwidthcontroller.com/ it seems to do its job.

There's no reason that connecting PC 1 through PC 2 (so that PC 2 alone is
attached to the router) should slow things down. From the looks of it, there
shouldn't be any problem configuring Bandwidth Controller to do whatever you
want. So my initial recommendation stands: get all PCs on the same network
and route everything through PC 2.

Alex

"Nice1" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:4174f2d8$0$47981$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi i need some help, i have got a sar715 Router and have got 1 computer
> connected to it, and one crossover cable connected to the uplink which
> goes to another computer, which i will call my server, with 2 ethernet
> cards, the second ethernet card feeds a hub via straight through cable and
> from the hub, 3 other computers are connected, the reason for this setup
> is I want to be able to limit bandwidth to the 3 computers on the hub, i
> use a bandwidth management software, all works fine apart from one thing,
> my computer thats connected to the sar715 cannot see the other 3 computers
> on the hub, it can see the server computer, is there anyway of sorting
> this out? all 5 computers are running windows xp pro.
> Thank you all for your help in advance.
>
> Nice1.
>

Hi, Well first off i would like to say thank you to all your very fast
replies again thank you.
I can put PC 1 into the hub and it works just fine and it sees all the other
comps on the network, but its the messing around with bandwidth controler to
PC 1 that i am not happy about, the reason i am controling the other PCs 3-5
is that my children use them and are for ever hogging all the bandwidth now
all they get is 300kb between them and for me i get all of it when i want
it, mostly its because i play alot of online gaming and it messes with game
play even if they are just surfing the net. I like the idear of a Linux box
runing an IP Cop do the throttling, what software would i need to do all
this, and i like the idear of about 20 mins to set it up, if you would all
like to put your pennys worth in about this set up i would be very very
grateful.

Thank you

Nice1