Problem connecting wif'd computer to non-wifi'd computer.

James Egan wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:40:20 -0000, "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10 +"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Where do I find ICS so that I could disable it Jim, and would this
>> affect my ability to have netmeeting sessions?
>
> It's on the advanced tab of the network adaptor's properties (ie right
> click the network adaptor and select properties).
>
> I'm not familiar enough to give you a step by step procedure but you
> might have to remove the bridge, take off ics from the wired interface
> and re-establish the bridge. Or you might be able to do it with the
> bridge already established. But one way or the other it has to be
> disabled.
>
> Disabling it won't stop anything from working. The router is already
> sharing your Internet connection so you don't need to share it twice.
>
I found it and disabled it on the XP desktop computer, but seem to have
lost the communication between desktops now. Will have to investigate
further. Incidentally I can't find ICS on the W98 computer anywhere.
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On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:40:49 -0000
"Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10 +" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Incidentally I can't find ICS on the W98
> computer anywhere.

You won't - it hadn't been invented then.

On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:38:08 -0000
"Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10 +" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Forgot to say Jim that as we couldn't get the network to operate as
> required with a network bridge that we removed it. Just running
> with the wifi and LAN adapers now. The thing that isn't working is
> the W98 pooter and XP netbook aren't communicating. Having said
> that, I've just booted everthing up this morning and the W98
> computer can't communicate with anything,

That's because you removed its bridge to the network.

> so I'll have to carry out
> further investigations later. Looks like thers could be some other
> underlying problems.

It sounds to me that you really need to start over with a clean setup -
from what I gather from skimming this thread the individual bits are
working but you're not putting them together properly.

On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:38:08 -0000, "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10 +"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Forgot to say Jim that as we couldn't get the network to operate as required
>with a network bridge that we removed it. Just running with the wifi and
>LAN adapers now.

That explains a few things. Your best bet will be to disable ics and
try to re-establish the bridge. It is probable that ics was causing
the problem with the bridge in the first place.


>The thing that isn't working is the W98 pooter and XP
>netbook aren't communicating.

And they never will fully with the ics enabled and no bridge option.
You can get a one way connection win98->notebook but not the other way
round. Connections instigated by the notebook towards the win98 will
always fail because the notebook can't traverse the xp desktop
operating as a nat device. Also there is the added problem of two dhcp
servers which can cause unexpected problems.

iirc win98 didn't have ics until later editions so that could be why
you can't find it.

The optimum solution is actually the easiest to set up. Ensure all
network interfaces on all the pc's have ics disabled and are set to
receive an ip address automatically then establish a bridge between
the wired and wireless on the xp desktop. That's all there is to it.


Jim.

Rob Morley wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:40:49 -0000
> "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10 +" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Incidentally I can't find ICS on the W98
>> computer anywhere.
>
> You won't - it hadn't been invented then.

Thanks Rob, I did wonder.
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Rob Morley wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:38:08 -0000
> "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10 +" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Forgot to say Jim that as we couldn't get the network to operate as
>> required with a network bridge that we removed it. Just running
>> with the wifi and LAN adapers now. The thing that isn't working is
>> the W98 pooter and XP netbook aren't communicating. Having said
>> that, I've just booted everthing up this morning and the W98
>> computer can't communicate with anything,
>
> That's because you removed its bridge to the network.
>
>> so I'll have to carry out
>> further investigations later. Looks like thers could be some other
>> underlying problems.
>
> It sounds to me that you really need to start over with a clean setup -
> from what I gather from skimming this thread the individual bits are
> working but you're not putting them together properly.

Nope. I removed the network bridge about a week ago and had managed to get
the two desktops transferring data and both connecting to the internet using
a crossover ethernet lead between them and just the wifi dongle on the XP
desktop. The W98 m/c also saw the wifi router and I could view it's data
pages on the W98 pooter.
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James Egan wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:38:08 -0000, "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10 +"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Forgot to say Jim that as we couldn't get the network to operate as
>> required with a network bridge that we removed it. Just running with
>> the wifi and LAN adapers now.
>
> That explains a few things. Your best bet will be to disable ics and
> try to re-establish the bridge. It is probable that ics was causing
> the problem with the bridge in the first place.
>
>
>> The thing that isn't working is the W98 pooter and XP
>> netbook aren't communicating.
>
> And they never will fully with the ics enabled and no bridge option.
> You can get a one way connection win98->notebook but not the other way
> round. Connections instigated by the notebook towards the win98 will
> always fail because the notebook can't traverse the xp desktop
> operating as a nat device. Also there is the added problem of two dhcp
> servers which can cause unexpected problems.
>
> iirc win98 didn't have ics until later editions so that could be why
> you can't find it.
>
> The optimum solution is actually the easiest to set up. Ensure all
> network interfaces on all the pc's have ics disabled and are set to
> receive an ip address automatically then establish a bridge between
> the wired and wireless on the xp desktop. That's all there is to it.
>
>
> Jim.

But if I do that would I be able to connect the W98 to the internet through
the ethernet lead and XP pooter's wifi dongle? Looks like I stillhave a lot
of playing to do
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On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:57:51 -0000, "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10 + on netbook"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>But if I do that would I be able to connect the W98 to the internet through
>the ethernet lead and XP pooter's wifi dongle? Looks like I stillhave a lot
>of playing to do

Yes. That's what the bridge is for. Everything would be able to
connect with everything else on the network and the Internet too. All
controlled by the router.

This will help you understand the bridging option
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb457038.aspx


Jim.

James Egan wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:57:51 -0000, "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10 + on netbook"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> But if I do that would I be able to connect the W98 to the internet
>> through the ethernet lead and XP pooter's wifi dongle? Looks like I
>> stillhave a lot of playing to do
>
> Yes. That's what the bridge is for. Everything would be able to
> connect with everything else on the network and the Internet too. All
> controlled by the router.
>
> This will help you understand the bridging option
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb457038.aspx
>
>
> Jim.

I understand what you are saying Jim and have scanned the microsoft page you
posted. Tried again yesterday evening again and set up a network bridge
between the wifi dongle and the ethernet adapter on the XP desktop after
setting the W98 desktop IP address and it's gateway manually so they were in
the same 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254 range. Still wouldn't talk to each
other or connect to the Internet. So dismantled the bridge and left all the
addresses as before. The XP desktop and W98 desktop were then talking but I
couldn't get out to the internet through the wifi at all from either
machine. All the signs said that it was connected but couldn't even ping
the wifi router 192.168.1.254 - kept getting time outs. Then I discovered
that if I disabled the ethernet adapter on the XP desktop then connection to
router was restored. So it appears that having a connection to the W98
desktop is some how preventing connection to the router. Obviously I have
no idea why. Any ideas anyone?
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Heard melodies are sweet, but those Unheard are sweeter
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On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 11:46:24 -0000, "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10 +"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I understand what you are saying Jim and have scanned the microsoft page you
>posted. Tried again yesterday evening again and set up a network bridge
>between the wifi dongle and the ethernet adapter on the XP desktop after
>setting the W98 desktop IP address and it's gateway manually so they were in
>the same 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254 range. Still wouldn't talk to each
>other or connect to the Internet. So dismantled the bridge and left all the
>addresses as before. The XP desktop and W98 desktop were then talking but I
>couldn't get out to the internet through the wifi at all from either
>machine. All the signs said that it was connected but couldn't even ping
>the wifi router 192.168.1.254 - kept getting time outs. Then I discovered
>that if I disabled the ethernet adapter on the XP desktop then connection to
>router was restored. So it appears that having a connection to the W98
>desktop is some how preventing connection to the router. Obviously I have
>no idea why. Any ideas anyone?


You need to remove all traces of static ip addressing from all pc's
and set everything to receive an ip address automatically. Note that
this automatic addressing (by dhcp) does more than just dish out ip
addresses. All the dns and gateway information is shared out too so if
you persist with static addressing you need to manually enter
nameservers and gateways.

I am assuming the router's dhcp server is on and is dishing out ip
addresses. You can check this by ensuring the laptop is set to receive
an ip address automatically and seeing what address has been assigned.
If anything fails to receive an ip address from the router it will
assign itself an address in the range 169.254.0.0/16 which will
indicate that there's a problem.

Next step is to do the same with the xp desktop wireless adaptor.
Don't bother with anything else until this too gets an ip address
assigned in the range 192.168.1.0/24 from the router

After this has been accomplished create a bridge between the wired and
wireless on the xp desktop then reboot the win98 box and it too should
now receive an ip address from the router.

Report back what addresses are assigned.



Jim.