Problem connecting wif'd computer to non-wifi'd computer.

alanp wrote:
>> Ta. So far I've now got the W98 and other desktop (XP) both able to
>> download to each other and connect to the Internet. A simiple
>> re-setting of the Internet Zone Security in the ZA firewall to
>> medium instead of High achieved that step. My wifi'd netbook can
>> now see the W98 m/c but isn't allowed to transfer data, but the W98
>> m/c, as yet, can't even see the netbook. So it seems like I'm
>> getting there, albeit slowly. I've certainly got to what I wanted
>> to do, connecting to the netbook successfully would be the cherry
>> on the cake - so to speak. Thanks for all the advice.
>
> Does your netbook have Vista ? If so it will default to a different
> workgroup name to the XP & W98 machines.
>
Nope both Netbook and main desktop have XP Home Edition Service pack 3.
Strangely, although the netbook isn't shown up on the W98 network
neigbourhood, you can successfully ping the netbook's IP addy from the the
W98 pooter. And even though the W98 is shown on the netbook's network
places, pinging the W98's IP addy from the netbook results in a time out
every time. That doesn't sound right to me at all.

> Good MS networking info here :-
>
> http://www.practicallynetworked.com/.../troubleshoot/
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx
>
Thanks Alan, I'll have a browse.
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On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:41:49 -0000, "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10 +"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Nope both Netbook and main desktop have XP Home Edition Service pack 3.
>Strangely, although the netbook isn't shown up on the W98 network
>neigbourhood, you can successfully ping the netbook's IP addy from the the
>W98 pooter. And even though the W98 is shown on the netbook's network
>places, pinging the W98's IP addy from the netbook results in a time out
>every time. That doesn't sound right to me at all.

One way pings are generally down to firewalls. Does disabling
zonealarm resolve the issue?

Sometimes merely disabling a misbehaving firewall will not resolve the
problem and an uninstallation is required. If necessary try
uninstalling zonealarm. You can always re-install if you feel the need
but personally, I wouldn't bother. I'd do without it since the pc is
already operating behind a nat device and you'll also benefit from
better pc performance.


Jim.

On 04/02/2010 in message <(E-Mail Removed)> Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10
+ on netbook wrote:

>The W98 m/c has been assigned 192.168.0.147 by the main desktop (which
>addresses itself as 192.168.0.1), but the netbook is assigned
>192.168.1.68 by the 2700HGV and the main desktop is given 192.168.1.66.

What is assigning the IP addresses FN? Do you use DHCP on your router?
Looks like addresses are being assigned more than once.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his friends for his
life.
(Jeremy Thorpe, 1962)

Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 04/02/2010 in message <(E-Mail Removed)> Flyiñg Ñuñ
> 2°10 + on netbook wrote:
>
>> The W98 m/c has been assigned 192.168.0.147 by the main desktop
>> (which addresses itself as 192.168.0.1), but the netbook is assigned
>> 192.168.1.68 by the 2700HGV and the main desktop is given
>> 192.168.1.66.
>
> What is assigning the IP addresses FN? Do you use DHCP on your router?
> Looks like addresses are being assigned more than once.

Yes that's what is happening, and yes I believe DHCP is used, but that is
getting beyond my current knowledge base. .

Hiya Jeff I thought you were busy these days. Not seen you about for ages
or I would have contacted you. Don't have your new 'phone number and
thought you were still having connection issues. What I'm doing, or rather
trying to do, is connect my netbook, W98 pooter and XP desktop into a
similar network that I had before all ethernet connected to the 2700HGV. I'm
using a crossover ethernet lead between XP desktop and as I have re-sited my
router away from the pooter room and wifi'd the the XP desktop. As I
cannot find a wifi card or dongle that supports W98 (which I want to retain
on the old pooter) I thought (as did others) that the crossover would be
easiest. The other route I considered was upgrading the W98 to W98SE which
is supported by current wifi dongles, but that became fraught with
difficulties.
The XP desktop (I am letting windows automatically assign an IP address on
all pooters) is assigning the W98 the addy 192.168.0.147 and itself
192.168.0.1, but my 2700HGV router is assigning the XP desktop
192.168.1.66, the netbook 192.168.1.68 but can't appear to see the W98
computer. You've read the rest of the story except for me to say that
transferring data both ways between both desktops (connected by the
crossover ethernet) and printing (printer lead connected to XP desktop),
which is what I have always wanted the system to do, is fine. But it would
be nice to be able to include the netbook in that as well. Currently I can
transfer data both ways between netbook and XP desktop but cannot print from
the netbook, don't know why, as it was possible some months ago.
--
Heard melodies are sweet, but those Unheard are sweeter
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On 04/02/2010 in message <(E-Mail Removed)> Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10
+ wrote:

>Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>On 04/02/2010 in message <(E-Mail Removed)> Flyiñg Ñuñ
>>2°10 + on netbook wrote:
>>
>>>The W98 m/c has been assigned 192.168.0.147 by the main desktop
>>>(which addresses itself as 192.168.0.1), but the netbook is assigned
>>>192.168.1.68 by the 2700HGV and the main desktop is given
>>>192.168.1.66.
>>
>>What is assigning the IP addresses FN? Do you use DHCP on your router?
>>Looks like addresses are being assigned more than once.
>
>Yes that's what is happening, and yes I believe DHCP is used, but that
>is getting beyond my current knowledge base. .
>
>Hiya Jeff I thought you were busy these days. Not seen you about for ages
>or I would have contacted you. Don't have your new 'phone number and
>thought you were still having connection issues. What I'm doing, or
>rather trying to do, is connect my netbook, W98 pooter and XP desktop
>into a similar network that I had before all ethernet connected to the
>2700HGV. I'm using a crossover ethernet lead between XP desktop and as I
>have re-sited my router away from the pooter room and wifi'd the the XP
>desktop. As I cannot find a wifi card or dongle that supports W98
>(which I want to retain on the old pooter) I thought (as did others) that
>the crossover would be easiest. The other route I considered was
>upgrading the W98 to W98SE which is supported by current wifi dongles,
>but that became fraught with difficulties.
>The XP desktop (I am letting windows automatically assign an IP address on
>all pooters) is assigning the W98 the addy 192.168.0.147 and itself
>192.168.0.1, but my 2700HGV router is assigning the XP desktop
>192.168.1.66, the netbook 192.168.1.68 but can't appear to see the W98
>computer. You've read the rest of the story except for me to say that
>transferring data both ways between both desktops (connected by the
>crossover ethernet) and printing (printer lead connected to XP desktop),
>which is what I have always wanted the system to do, is fine. But it
>would be nice to be able to include the netbook in that as well.
>Currently I can transfer data both ways between netbook and XP desktop but
>cannot print from the netbook, don't know why, as it was possible some
>months ago.

OK, can I clarify the connections:

2700HGV - connects to:
XP Desktop by WiFi
Netbook by WiFi
These PC's should be able to 'see' each other and connect to the Internet.

W98 Desktop connects to XP Desktop by crossover cable.
W98 should be able to see XP (and vice versa) but W98 won't be able to
connect to the Internet (its IP address range is different to that used by
the router).

I am a bit puzzled by 'Windows' assigning IP addresses - did you mean that
or have you set up fixed IP addresses yourself? If you have set up fixed
addresses then try changing that to obtain an IP address automatically. Or
change them to addresses in the 192.168.1.x range - although you have to
be careful you don't duplicate the addresses dished out by the DHCP server.

My reply to address is valid, drop me an email if you wish and I'll let
you have my new 'phone number.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his friends for his
life.
(Jeremy Thorpe, 1962)

Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 04/02/2010 in message <(E-Mail Removed)> Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10
> + wrote:
>
>> Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 04/02/2010 in message <(E-Mail Removed)> Flyiñg Ñuñ
>>> 2°10 + on netbook wrote:
>>>
>>>> The W98 m/c has been assigned 192.168.0.147 by the main desktop
>>>> (which addresses itself as 192.168.0.1), but the netbook is assigned
>>>> 192.168.1.68 by the 2700HGV and the main desktop is given
>>>> 192.168.1.66.
>>>
>>> What is assigning the IP addresses FN? Do you use DHCP on your router?
>>> Looks like addresses are being assigned more than once.
>>
>> Yes that's what is happening, and yes I believe DHCP is used, but that
>> is getting beyond my current knowledge base. .
>>
>> Hiya Jeff I thought you were busy these days. Not seen you about for
>> ages or I would have contacted you. Don't have your new 'phone number
>> and thought you were still having connection issues. What I'm doing, or
>> rather trying to do, is connect my netbook, W98 pooter and XP desktop
>> into a similar network that I had before all ethernet connected to the
>> 2700HGV. I'm using a crossover ethernet lead between XP desktop and as I
>> have re-sited my router away from the pooter room and wifi'd the the XP
>> desktop. As I cannot find a wifi card or dongle that supports W98
>> (which I want to retain on the old pooter) I thought (as did others) that
>> the crossover would be easiest. The other route I considered was
>> upgrading the W98 to W98SE which is supported by current wifi dongles,
>> but that became fraught with difficulties.
>> The XP desktop (I am letting windows automatically assign an IP address
>> on all pooters) is assigning the W98 the addy 192.168.0.147 and itself
>> 192.168.0.1, but my 2700HGV router is assigning the XP desktop
>> 192.168.1.66, the netbook 192.168.1.68 but can't appear to see the W98
>> computer. You've read the rest of the story except for me to say that
>> transferring data both ways between both desktops (connected by the
>> crossover ethernet) and printing (printer lead connected to XP desktop),
>> which is what I have always wanted the system to do, is fine. But it
>> would be nice to be able to include the netbook in that as well.
>> Currently I can transfer data both ways between netbook and XP desktop
>> but cannot print from the netbook, don't know why, as it was possible
>> some months ago.
>
> OK, can I clarify the connections:
>
> 2700HGV - connects to:
> XP Desktop by WiFi
> Netbook by WiFi
> These PC's should be able to 'see' each other and connect to the Internet.
>
> W98 Desktop connects to XP Desktop by crossover cable.
> W98 should be able to see XP (and vice versa) but W98 won't be able to
> connect to the Internet (its IP address range is different to that used by
> the router).
>
> I am a bit puzzled by 'Windows' assigning IP addresses - did you mean that
> or have you set up fixed IP addresses yourself? If you have set up fixed
> addresses then try changing that to obtain an IP address automatically. Or
> change them to addresses in the 192.168.1.x range - although you have to
> be careful you don't duplicate the addresses dished out by the DHCP
> server.
> My reply to address is valid, drop me an email if you wish and I'll let
> you have my new 'phone number.

email sent.
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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:03:22 -0000, "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10 + on netbook"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>The W98 m/c has been assigned 192.168.0.147 by the main desktop
>(which addresses itself as 192.168.0.1),

It sounds like you have internet connection sharing enabled on this
desktop. You shouldn't do that. ICS should be disabled and the bridged
interface should be set to receive and ip address automatically (from
the router). That will enable the other pc to receive an ip address
from the router automatically too.

ICS automatically installs a dhcp server of its own so if that was on
you would be running conflicting dhcp servers and all sorts of
unexpected things could happen.


Jim.

James Egan wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:03:22 -0000, "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10 + on netbook"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> The W98 m/c has been assigned 192.168.0.147 by the main desktop
>> (which addresses itself as 192.168.0.1),
>
> It sounds like you have internet connection sharing enabled on this
> desktop. You shouldn't do that. ICS should be disabled and the bridged
> interface should be set to receive and ip address automatically (from
> the router). That will enable the other pc to receive an ip address
> from the router automatically too.
>
Where do I find ICS so that I could disable it Jim, and would this affect
my ability to have netmeeting sessions?

> ICS automatically installs a dhcp server of its own so if that was on
> you would be running conflicting dhcp servers and all sorts of
> unexpected things could happen.
>
>
> Jim.



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On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:40:20 -0000, "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10 +"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Where do I find ICS so that I could disable it Jim, and would this affect
>my ability to have netmeeting sessions?

It's on the advanced tab of the network adaptor's properties (ie right
click the network adaptor and select properties).

I'm not familiar enough to give you a step by step procedure but you
might have to remove the bridge, take off ics from the wired interface
and re-establish the bridge. Or you might be able to do it with the
bridge already established. But one way or the other it has to be
disabled.

Disabling it won't stop anything from working. The router is already
sharing your Internet connection so you don't need to share it twice.



Jim.

James Egan wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:03:22 -0000, "Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°10 + on netbook"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> The W98 m/c has been assigned 192.168.0.147 by the main desktop
>> (which addresses itself as 192.168.0.1),
>
> It sounds like you have internet connection sharing enabled on this
> desktop. You shouldn't do that. ICS should be disabled and the bridged
> interface should be set to receive and ip address automatically (from
> the router). That will enable the other pc to receive an ip address
> from the router automatically too.
>
> ICS automatically installs a dhcp server of its own so if that was on
> you would be running conflicting dhcp servers and all sorts of
> unexpected things could happen.
>
>
> Jim.

Forgot to say Jim that as we couldn't get the network to operate as required
with a network bridge that we removed it. Just running with the wifi and
LAN adapers now. The thing that isn't working is the W98 pooter and XP
netbook aren't communicating. Having said that, I've just booted everthing
up this morning and the W98 computer can't communicate with anything, so
I'll have to carry out further investigations later. Looks like thers could
be some other underlying problems.
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Heard melodies are sweet, but those Unheard are sweeter
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