Problem adding mn-500 to existing home network

Hi
I have a home network setup where the cable modem is connected to a router
XYZ. One router port goes to a desktop and another goes to a MN-500 where a
laptop can gain access to the internet, which works just fine. I'm having
trouble getting file and print sharing to work regardless of whether the
laptop is working wireless or wired.

I have narrowed down the problem to the MN-500 or perhaps I should say lack
of proper setup for the mn-500 because sharing works just fine if I connect
the laptop directly to XYZ router. (Both have WinXP and OS Firewalls are
off, file\print sharing enabled, same workgroup name) I do have the
broadband software loaded on both machine even though the desktop does not
connect to the mn-500. The network device list is slow and does not always
show the desktop when viewed from the laptop.

I havent done much to the base station, I'm also wondering if there is a
firewall inside the base station or something I might be missing.

Any suggestion would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

For file & printer sharing to work you will need to take the MN-500 out
of router mode.

Some suggestions before you do that first.

1) Change the LAN IP address into the same range as the other router so
something like 192.168.0.254 (That IP address I suggested is assuming
your other router uses 192.168.0.* for it's address range, if it uses a
different range you will want to change the address accordingly.) (The
reason for this is so you can configure the MN-500 while it is out of
router mode. Yes it does work I have done it several hundred times back
when I supported the MN-100 & MN-500.)

2) After doing step 1 you will need to get a new IP address as the
address of the router changes right after you click apply.

3) Disable the DHCP sever. (the MN-500 has been known to not disable
this feature when out of router mode.)

4) Disable the firewall. (the MN-500 has been known to not disable this
feature when out of router mode.)

5) Now you can take the MN-500 out of router mode.

The problem you were having is that you had NAT behind NAT. You should
never do that as it will cause serious problems for your networking.

Tom wrote:
> Hi
> I have a home network setup where the cable modem is connected to a router
> XYZ. One router port goes to a desktop and another goes to a MN-500 where a
> laptop can gain access to the internet, which works just fine. I'm having
> trouble getting file and print sharing to work regardless of whether the
> laptop is working wireless or wired.
>
> I have narrowed down the problem to the MN-500 or perhaps I should say lack
> of proper setup for the mn-500 because sharing works just fine if I connect
> the laptop directly to XYZ router. (Both have WinXP and OS Firewalls are
> off, file\print sharing enabled, same workgroup name) I do have the
> broadband software loaded on both machine even though the desktop does not
> connect to the mn-500. The network device list is slow and does not always
> show the desktop when viewed from the laptop.
>
> I havent done much to the base station, I'm also wondering if there is a
> firewall inside the base station or something I might be missing.
>
> Any suggestion would be appreciated.
> Thanks in advance.
>
>

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Hi Joe
Thanks for the prompt reply. I can try it this weekend at the site I'm
visiting. I don't know how but I'm assuming their manual describes how to
take it out of router mode.

A few questions if you dont mind :

If I disable the dhcp server, can the mn-500 still serve up an IP for the
wireless laptop ?

What mode is the mn-500 in when its out of 'router mode' ?

What topic or link would you suggest I look at to understand it better ?

Is this link about bridges in another post I found on-topic or off track ?
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...an_segnet.mspx.

Thanks again


"Joe Crown" wrote:

> For file & printer sharing to work you will need to take the MN-500 out
> of router mode.
>
> Some suggestions before you do that first.
>
> 1) Change the LAN IP address into the same range as the other router so
> something like 192.168.0.254 (That IP address I suggested is assuming
> your other router uses 192.168.0.* for it's address range, if it uses a
> different range you will want to change the address accordingly.) (The
> reason for this is so you can configure the MN-500 while it is out of
> router mode. Yes it does work I have done it several hundred times back
> when I supported the MN-100 & MN-500.)
>
> 2) After doing step 1 you will need to get a new IP address as the
> address of the router changes right after you click apply.
>
> 3) Disable the DHCP sever. (the MN-500 has been known to not disable
> this feature when out of router mode.)
>
> 4) Disable the firewall. (the MN-500 has been known to not disable this
> feature when out of router mode.)
>
> 5) Now you can take the MN-500 out of router mode.
>
> The problem you were having is that you had NAT behind NAT. You should
> never do that as it will cause serious problems for your networking.
>
> Tom wrote:
> > Hi
> > I have a home network setup where the cable modem is connected to a router
> > XYZ. One router port goes to a desktop and another goes to a MN-500 where a
> > laptop can gain access to the internet, which works just fine. I'm having
> > trouble getting file and print sharing to work regardless of whether the
> > laptop is working wireless or wired.
> >
> > I have narrowed down the problem to the MN-500 or perhaps I should say lack
> > of proper setup for the mn-500 because sharing works just fine if I connect
> > the laptop directly to XYZ router. (Both have WinXP and OS Firewalls are
> > off, file\print sharing enabled, same workgroup name) I do have the
> > broadband software loaded on both machine even though the desktop does not
> > connect to the mn-500. The network device list is slow and does not always
> > show the desktop when viewed from the laptop.
> >
> > I havent done much to the base station, I'm also wondering if there is a
> > firewall inside the base station or something I might be missing.
> >
> > Any suggestion would be appreciated.
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
>
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"Tom" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:5D047971-F4F2-4487-A145-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Joe
> Thanks for the prompt reply. I can try it this weekend at the site I'm
> visiting. I don't know how but I'm assuming their manual describes how to
> take it out of router mode.
>
> A few questions if you dont mind :
>
> If I disable the dhcp server, can the mn-500 still serve up an IP for the
> wireless laptop ?
Your existing router will serve the ip via it's DHCP server. You don't want
the MN500 to serve out any IPs at all since your existing router is doing
that already.

> What mode is the mn-500 in when its out of 'router mode' ?
Bridge mode

> What topic or link would you suggest I look at to understand it better ?
If you use google groups, you can do a search for the topic of bridge mode.
I know I made many postings about it in the past (look back about 2 years
ago)

> Is this link about bridges in another post I found on-topic or off track ?
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...an_segnet.mspx.
The section on bridging would apply.

> Thanks again
>
>
> "Joe Crown" wrote:
>
>> For file & printer sharing to work you will need to take the MN-500 out
>> of router mode.
>>
>> Some suggestions before you do that first.
>>
>> 1) Change the LAN IP address into the same range as the other router so
>> something like 192.168.0.254 (That IP address I suggested is assuming
>> your other router uses 192.168.0.* for it's address range, if it uses a
>> different range you will want to change the address accordingly.) (The
>> reason for this is so you can configure the MN-500 while it is out of
>> router mode. Yes it does work I have done it several hundred times back
>> when I supported the MN-100 & MN-500.)
>>
>> 2) After doing step 1 you will need to get a new IP address as the
>> address of the router changes right after you click apply.
>>
>> 3) Disable the DHCP sever. (the MN-500 has been known to not disable
>> this feature when out of router mode.)
>>
>> 4) Disable the firewall. (the MN-500 has been known to not disable this
>> feature when out of router mode.)
>>
>> 5) Now you can take the MN-500 out of router mode.
>>
>> The problem you were having is that you had NAT behind NAT. You should
>> never do that as it will cause serious problems for your networking.
>>
>> Tom wrote:
>> > Hi
>> > I have a home network setup where the cable modem is connected to a
>> > router
>> > XYZ. One router port goes to a desktop and another goes to a MN-500
>> > where a
>> > laptop can gain access to the internet, which works just fine. I'm
>> > having
>> > trouble getting file and print sharing to work regardless of whether
>> > the
>> > laptop is working wireless or wired.
>> >
>> > I have narrowed down the problem to the MN-500 or perhaps I should say
>> > lack
>> > of proper setup for the mn-500 because sharing works just fine if I
>> > connect
>> > the laptop directly to XYZ router. (Both have WinXP and OS Firewalls
>> > are
>> > off, file\print sharing enabled, same workgroup name) I do have the
>> > broadband software loaded on both machine even though the desktop does
>> > not
>> > connect to the mn-500. The network device list is slow and does not
>> > always
>> > show the desktop when viewed from the laptop.
>> >
>> > I havent done much to the base station, I'm also wondering if there is
>> > a
>> > firewall inside the base station or something I might be missing.
>> >
>> > Any suggestion would be appreciated.
>> > Thanks in advance.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Please do not contact me directly or ask me to contact you directly for
>> assistance.
>>
>> If your question is worth asking, it's worth posting.
>>
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>> time.
>>
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>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html (The site I've linked
>> to just has this article I think people should read before posting a
>> technical question.)
>>

You disable the DHCP server in the MN-500 because it has been known to
no always disable it when it is sent into bridge mode. If it is still
giving out DHCP addresses you will have 2 DHCP servers which will cause
serious problems on your network. The only thing I see that she forgot
to do is disable the firewall in the MN-500. If you really want I can
post my directions for setting up multiple routers as WAPs. It is long,
but it tells you a ton. I did start it with information from someone
else, one the the MVPs I'm just not sure which one anymore, I also
expanded it to include using the MN-740 to connect wirelessly to other
wireless routers & WAPs. So if you really want I could post it.

Tom wrote:
> Hi Joe
> Thanks for the prompt reply. I can try it this weekend at the site I'm
> visiting. I don't know how but I'm assuming their manual describes how to
> take it out of router mode.
>
> A few questions if you dont mind :
>
> If I disable the dhcp server, can the mn-500 still serve up an IP for the
> wireless laptop ?
>
> What mode is the mn-500 in when its out of 'router mode' ?
>
> What topic or link would you suggest I look at to understand it better ?
>
> Is this link about bridges in another post I found on-topic or off track ?
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...an_segnet.mspx.
>
> Thanks again
>
>
> "Joe Crown" wrote:
>
>
>>For file & printer sharing to work you will need to take the MN-500 out
>>of router mode.
>>
>>Some suggestions before you do that first.
>>
>>1) Change the LAN IP address into the same range as the other router so
>>something like 192.168.0.254 (That IP address I suggested is assuming
>>your other router uses 192.168.0.* for it's address range, if it uses a
>>different range you will want to change the address accordingly.) (The
>>reason for this is so you can configure the MN-500 while it is out of
>>router mode. Yes it does work I have done it several hundred times back
>>when I supported the MN-100 & MN-500.)
>>
>>2) After doing step 1 you will need to get a new IP address as the
>>address of the router changes right after you click apply.
>>
>>3) Disable the DHCP sever. (the MN-500 has been known to not disable
>>this feature when out of router mode.)
>>
>>4) Disable the firewall. (the MN-500 has been known to not disable this
>>feature when out of router mode.)
>>
>>5) Now you can take the MN-500 out of router mode.
>>
>>The problem you were having is that you had NAT behind NAT. You should
>>never do that as it will cause serious problems for your networking.
>>
>>Tom wrote:
>>
>>>Hi
>>>I have a home network setup where the cable modem is connected to a router
>>>XYZ. One router port goes to a desktop and another goes to a MN-500 where a
>>>laptop can gain access to the internet, which works just fine. I'm having
>>>trouble getting file and print sharing to work regardless of whether the
>>>laptop is working wireless or wired.
>>>
>>>I have narrowed down the problem to the MN-500 or perhaps I should say lack
>>>of proper setup for the mn-500 because sharing works just fine if I connect
>>>the laptop directly to XYZ router. (Both have WinXP and OS Firewalls are
>>>off, file\print sharing enabled, same workgroup name) I do have the
>>>broadband software loaded on both machine even though the desktop does not
>>>connect to the mn-500. The network device list is slow and does not always
>>>show the desktop when viewed from the laptop.
>>>
>>>I havent done much to the base station, I'm also wondering if there is a
>>>firewall inside the base station or something I might be missing.
>>>
>>>Any suggestion would be appreciated.
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Please do not contact me directly or ask me to contact you directly for
>>assistance.
>>
>>If your question is worth asking, it's worth posting.
>>
>>If it’s not worth posting you should have done a search on
>>http://www.google.com/ http://www.google.com/grphp?hl=en&tab=wg&q= or
>>http://news.google.com/froogle?hl=en&tab=nf&ned=us&q= before wasting our
>>time.
>>
>>If I sound hostile or arrogant you need to read the following before
>>posting a question "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" at
>>http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html (The site I've linked
>>to just has this article I think people should read before posting a
>>technical question.)
>>

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technical question.)

Hi Jason,
thanks that was helpful
Hi Joe,
Yes I would like to make myself a document of that. Please post your
information on setting up multiple routers. You can never have too much
reference.
I appreciate the help
Thanks again


"Joe Crown" wrote:

> You disable the DHCP server in the MN-500 because it has been known to
> no always disable it when it is sent into bridge mode. If it is still
> giving out DHCP addresses you will have 2 DHCP servers which will cause
> serious problems on your network. The only thing I see that she forgot
> to do is disable the firewall in the MN-500. If you really want I can
> post my directions for setting up multiple routers as WAPs. It is long,
> but it tells you a ton. I did start it with information from someone
> else, one the the MVPs I'm just not sure which one anymore, I also
> expanded it to include using the MN-740 to connect wirelessly to other
> wireless routers & WAPs. So if you really want I could post it.
>
> Tom wrote:
> > Hi Joe
> > Thanks for the prompt reply. I can try it this weekend at the site I'm
> > visiting. I don't know how but I'm assuming their manual describes how to
> > take it out of router mode.
> >
> > A few questions if you dont mind :
> >
> > If I disable the dhcp server, can the mn-500 still serve up an IP for the
> > wireless laptop ?
> >
> > What mode is the mn-500 in when its out of 'router mode' ?
> >
> > What topic or link would you suggest I look at to understand it better ?
> >
> > Is this link about bridges in another post I found on-topic or off track ?
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...an_segnet.mspx.
> >
> > Thanks again
> >
> >
> > "Joe Crown" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>For file & printer sharing to work you will need to take the MN-500 out
> >>of router mode.
> >>
> >>Some suggestions before you do that first.
> >>
> >>1) Change the LAN IP address into the same range as the other router so
> >>something like 192.168.0.254 (That IP address I suggested is assuming
> >>your other router uses 192.168.0.* for it's address range, if it uses a
> >>different range you will want to change the address accordingly.) (The
> >>reason for this is so you can configure the MN-500 while it is out of
> >>router mode. Yes it does work I have done it several hundred times back
> >>when I supported the MN-100 & MN-500.)
> >>
> >>2) After doing step 1 you will need to get a new IP address as the
> >>address of the router changes right after you click apply.
> >>
> >>3) Disable the DHCP sever. (the MN-500 has been known to not disable
> >>this feature when out of router mode.)
> >>
> >>4) Disable the firewall. (the MN-500 has been known to not disable this
> >>feature when out of router mode.)
> >>
> >>5) Now you can take the MN-500 out of router mode.
> >>
> >>The problem you were having is that you had NAT behind NAT. You should
> >>never do that as it will cause serious problems for your networking.
> >>
> >>Tom wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi
> >>>I have a home network setup where the cable modem is connected to a router
> >>>XYZ. One router port goes to a desktop and another goes to a MN-500 where a
> >>>laptop can gain access to the internet, which works just fine. I'm having
> >>>trouble getting file and print sharing to work regardless of whether the
> >>>laptop is working wireless or wired.
> >>>
> >>>I have narrowed down the problem to the MN-500 or perhaps I should say lack
> >>>of proper setup for the mn-500 because sharing works just fine if I connect
> >>>the laptop directly to XYZ router. (Both have WinXP and OS Firewalls are
> >>>off, file\print sharing enabled, same workgroup name) I do have the
> >>>broadband software loaded on both machine even though the desktop does not
> >>>connect to the mn-500. The network device list is slow and does not always
> >>>show the desktop when viewed from the laptop.
> >>>
> >>>I havent done much to the base station, I'm also wondering if there is a
> >>>firewall inside the base station or something I might be missing.
> >>>
> >>>Any suggestion would be appreciated.
> >>>Thanks in advance.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Please do not contact me directly or ask me to contact you directly for
> >>assistance.
> >>
> >>If your question is worth asking, it's worth posting.
> >>
> >>If it’s not worth posting you should have done a search on
> >>http://www.google.com/ http://www.google.com/grphp?hl=en&tab=wg&q= or
> >>http://news.google.com/froogle?hl=en&tab=nf&ned=us&q= before wasting our
> >>time.
> >>
> >>If I sound hostile or arrogant you need to read the following before
> >>posting a question "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" at
> >>http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html (The site I've linked
> >>to just has this article I think people should read before posting a
> >>technical question.)
> >>
>
> --
> Please do not contact me directly or ask me to contact you directly for
> assistance.
>
> If your question is worth asking, it's worth posting.
>
> If it’s not worth posting you should have done a search on
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> http://news.google.com/froogle?hl=en&tab=nf&ned=us&q= before wasting our
> time.
>
> If I sound hostile or arrogant you need to read the following before
> posting a question "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" at
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html (The site I've linked
> to just has this article I think people should read before posting a
> technical question.)
>

One of the two following hardware configurations will allow you to
expand your Microsoft Broadband Network.

The first one is connected via wires & the second one is connected via
wireless.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wired connection configuration information.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Broadband modem --> WAN port of MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1
MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1 LAN port #2 --> WAN port of MN-500 or MN-700 #2
MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1 LAN port #3 --> WAN port of MN-500 or
MN-700 #3 (if available)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wireless connection configuration information.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

(For this configuration you can only use WEP & MAC filtering, for
wireless security, because the MN-740 doesn't support WPA.)

Broadband modem --> WAN port of MN-500 or MN-700 #1
MN-740 --> WAN port of MN-500, or MN-700 #2
MN-740 --> WAN port of MN-500, or MN-700 #3 (if available)

You will have to configure each MN-740 on an Xbox to connect to the
wireless network you want the second & third router to connect to.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
General configuration information for both network connection types.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Make sure all MN-100's & MN-500's are running the latest firmware which
is 1.11.017

Make sure all MN-700's are running the latest firmware which is 2.01.02.0590

Make sure all MN-740's are running the latest firmware which is 1.00.02.0021

Now let’s look at the setup of each MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700:

MN-100, MN-500, or MN-700 #1
Router mode
LAN IP address at default of 192.168.2.1
Some SSID (if wireless)
Some WEP key or WPA key (If the entire network supports WPA)
Channel 6 (if wireless)

MN-500 or MN-700 #2
Bridge mode
LAN IP address at 192.168.2.42, outside of default DHCP range
Same SSID
Same WEP key or WPA key (If the entire network supports WPA)
Channel 1

MN-500 or MN-700 #3 (if available)
Bridge mode
LAN IP address at 192.168.2.43, outside of default DHCP range
Same SSID
Same WEP key or WPA key (If the entire network supports WPA)
Channel 11


If you keep the SSID and WEP key or WPA key (If the entire network
supports WPA) the same for all base stations, people will be able to
move between locations and get a connection, without needing to change
there configuration as they move.

If you are using WEP on some but WPA on other wireless routers you will
have to reconfigure the wireless settings as you switch between wireless
networks.

You need to select non-overlapping channels for the base stations to
prevent interference.

Non-overlapping channels have at least 5 channels between them as 1, 6,
& 11 do.

Channels 1, 6, & 11 are the three non-overlapping channels.

There are more combinations if you only need two channels.

One last note 2.4 & many 5.8 GHz phones (The models that use the 2.4 GHz
frequency as well as the 5.8 GHz frequency) will cause interference with
802.11b & 802.11g wireless networking hardware, as 802.11b & 802.11g
both use the 2.4 GHz frequency.


Tom973 wrote:
> Hi Jason,
> thanks that was helpful
> Hi Joe,
> Yes I would like to make myself a document of that. Please post your
> information on setting up multiple routers. You can never have too much
> reference.
> I appreciate the help
> Thanks again
>
>


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posting a question "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" at
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to just has this article I think people should read before posting a
technical question.)