problem accessing other pc's

hi
Got the router up and running but having trouble accessing the other
machines.

All have access to the web, i can ping each machine fine, even play lan
games but my network places they dont see each other, i added a machine to
the lan to repair and that is being shown by 1 other machine.

Some are direct to router, some via a hub then router but that shouldnt make
any differance.

I cant find anything wrong at all, apart from lack of access, i need to sort
this out pretty quick as i keep importan programs on one machine to aid in
repairs.

thanks!

In article <LCxIc.55189$(E-Mail Removed) >, "Julian
Hales" (E-Mail Removed) says...
> hi
> Got the router up and running but having trouble accessing the other
> machines.
>
> All have access to the web, i can ping each machine fine, even play lan
> games but my network places they dont see each other, i added a machine to
> the lan to repair and that is being shown by 1 other machine.
>
In no particular order or operating system:

check NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled
check File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks enabled
check all machines in same workgroup - identical spelling/capitalization
check username/password identical on all machines
try accessing by IP address e.g. \\192.168.0.2\sharename
check the lmhosts files

"Julian Hales" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:LCxIc.55189$(E-Mail Removed). uk...
> hi
> Got the router up and running but having trouble accessing the other
> machines.
>
> All have access to the web, i can ping each machine fine, even play lan
> games but my network places they dont see each other, i added a machine to
> the lan to repair and that is being shown by 1 other machine.
>
> Some are direct to router, some via a hub then router but that shouldnt
make
> any differance.
>
> I cant find anything wrong at all, apart from lack of access, i need to
sort
> this out pretty quick as i keep importan programs on one machine to aid in
> repairs.
>
> thanks!
>
>

What operating system are they running? If it's Windows XP Pro then you can
enable 'simple file sharing' using 'tools', 'folder options' then under the
'view' tab, at the bottom of the list of 'advanced options' select 'use
simple file sharing (recommended)'. Do this in window explorer.

Another way, if you don't like the security implications of the above, is to
create identical user accounts on each box.

HTH

Ian

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:54:35 +0000, Julian Hales wrote:

> hi
> Got the router up and running but having trouble accessing the other
> machines.
>
> All have access to the web, i can ping each machine fine, even play lan
> games but my network places they dont see each other, i added a machine to
> the lan to repair and that is being shown by 1 other machine.
>
> Some are direct to router, some via a hub then router but that shouldnt make
> any differance.
>
> I cant find anything wrong at all, apart from lack of access, i need to sort
> this out pretty quick as i keep importan programs on one machine to aid in
> repairs.
>
> thanks!

You don't say how you get IP addresses for each PC -- I suspect you are
using DHCP from the router, if it is only very basic DCHP it dosen't
provide all the NETBIOS host name services.
As you hasve found On its own Windows IP local networking is pretty flakey
a quick fix is to load NETBUI on each pc and let this do the netbios
"thing" providing host name info. However running both TCP and Netbui can
lead to conflicts which can slow down the netwwork to a crawl and as you
don't have fixed IP addressing keeping up to date hosts files on each PC
won't work. So I would suggest running a dns server on one PC and adding
this to the windows networking dns server entries for each pc.

The freeware/GPL simple to use windows DNS servers are Treewalk and
Posadis. You don't say wich version of Windows you are using but
Treewalk works on any of the NT/2000/Xp side of windows (note the trewalk
home page dosen't claim it work on NT but I use on NT4 wiothout a hitch).

"Ian James"
<lastname+firstinitial+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
in message news:ccuekv$dmo$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Julian Hales" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:LCxIc.55189$(E-Mail Removed). uk...
> > hi
> > Got the router up and running but having trouble accessing the other
> > machines.
> >
> > All have access to the web, i can ping each machine fine, even play lan
> > games but my network places they dont see each other, i added a machine
to
> > the lan to repair and that is being shown by 1 other machine.
> >
> > Some are direct to router, some via a hub then router but that shouldnt
> make
> > any differance.
> >
> > I cant find anything wrong at all, apart from lack of access, i need to
> sort
> > this out pretty quick as i keep importan programs on one machine to aid
in
> > repairs.
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> >
>
> What operating system are they running? If it's Windows XP Pro then you
can
> enable 'simple file sharing' using 'tools', 'folder options' then under
the
> 'view' tab, at the bottom of the list of 'advanced options' select 'use
> simple file sharing (recommended)'. Do this in window explorer.

One has XP, i did try that although i never used it in the past couple of
years or so but its still not doing much

>
> Another way, if you don't like the security implications of the above, is
to
> create identical user accounts on each box.

Not sure what you mean with that. The firewalls should allow network
access, which i guess it does as ping is fine


>
> HTH
>
> Ian
>
>

"Rob Morley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) t...
> In article <LCxIc.55189$(E-Mail Removed) >, "Julian
> Hales" (E-Mail Removed) says...
> > hi
> > Got the router up and running but having trouble accessing the other
> > machines.
> >
> > All have access to the web, i can ping each machine fine, even play lan
> > games but my network places they dont see each other, i added a machine
to
> > the lan to repair and that is being shown by 1 other machine.
> >
> In no particular order or operating system:
>
> check NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled

NetBIOT not used

> check File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks enabled

all ok

> check all machines in same workgroup - identical spelling/capitalization

all ok


> check username/password identical on all machines

none


> try accessing by IP address e.g. \\192.168.0.2\sharename
> check the lmhosts files

Everything was ok until the new router was put in place, i switched on
another machine and that found and could be seen by 2 others.

Not altered nothing.
Mix of 98, SE, ME and XP pro, all can ping and lan gaming but the XP machine
is connected to a hi fi which used mp3's from the scsi machine but cant see
that.

XP machine wont even let me bring up the network place screen, i did try to
set up new network thing which i had never needed before but no luck

"Seaney Beane" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:54:35 +0000, Julian Hales wrote:
>
> > hi
> > Got the router up and running but having trouble accessing the other
> > machines.
> >
> > All have access to the web, i can ping each machine fine, even play lan
> > games but my network places they dont see each other, i added a machine
to
> > the lan to repair and that is being shown by 1 other machine.
> >
> > Some are direct to router, some via a hub then router but that shouldnt
make
> > any differance.
> >
> > I cant find anything wrong at all, apart from lack of access, i need to
sort
> > this out pretty quick as i keep importan programs on one machine to aid
in
> > repairs.
> >
> > thanks!
>
> You don't say how you get IP addresses for each PC -- I suspect you are
> using DHCP from the router, if it is only very basic DCHP it dosen't
> provide all the NETBIOS host name services.

let it assign the ip itself, which had been fine for years


> As you hasve found On its own Windows IP local networking is pretty flakey
> a quick fix is to load NETBUI on each pc and let this do the netbios
> "thing" providing host name info. However running both TCP and Netbui can
> lead to conflicts which can slow down the netwwork to a crawl and as you
> don't have fixed IP addressing keeping up to date hosts files on each PC
> won't work. So I would suggest running a dns server on one PC and adding
> this to the windows networking dns server entries for each pc.

Knew that which is why i didnt have Netbui, the only problem i did always
have was that when i wanted to search any machine for files etc doing that
through the XP pro machine was it would take many seconds to actually list
the other machines, all others are instant but not that way.


>
> The freeware/GPL simple to use windows DNS servers are Treewalk and
> Posadis. You don't say wich version of Windows you are using but
> Treewalk works on any of the NT/2000/Xp side of windows (note the trewalk
> home page dosen't claim it work on NT but I use on NT4 wiothout a hitch).
>
>

I have only 1 machine with XP, the rest are various 9X

In article <7cCIc.33694$I%(E-Mail Removed)> , "Julian
Hales" (E-Mail Removed) says...
>
>
> "Rob Morley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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<snip>
> > check NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled
>
> NetBIOT not used

I suspect you mean "NetBEUI not used" - NetBEUI is the tranport protocol
that NetBIOS used to run on before TCP/IP became ubiquitous. NetBIOS is
the API that Windows needs to make SMB file and print sharing work.
<snip>
>
> > check username/password identical on all machines
>
> none

Check that the primary logon is set to "Client for Microsoft Networks"
(I think that's what it's called)
>
> > try accessing by IP address e.g. \\192.168.0.2\sharename

Did you try this?

> > check the lmhosts files
>
> Everything was ok until the new router was put in place, i switched on
> another machine and that found and could be seen by 2 others.
>
> Not altered nothing.
> Mix of 98, SE, ME and XP pro, all can ping and lan gaming but the XP machine
> is connected to a hi fi which used mp3's from the scsi machine but cant see
> that.
>
> XP machine wont even let me bring up the network place screen, i did try to
> set up new network thing which i had never needed before but no luck
>
Have you tried the "repair" option on the XP machine?

Although it does sound like a problem associated with the master browser
or name services of some sort or another. If that's the case it might
be worth using static LAN IPs, putting them in the lmhosts file on each
machine and enabling lmhosts lookup.

"Rob Morley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> In article <7cCIc.33694$I%(E-Mail Removed)> , "Julian
> Hales" (E-Mail Removed) says...
> >
> >
> > "Rob Morley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed) t...
> <snip>
> > > check NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled
> >
> > NetBIOT not used
>
> I suspect you mean "NetBEUI not used" - NetBEUI is the tranport protocol
> that NetBIOS used to run on before TCP/IP became ubiquitous. NetBIOS is
> the API that Windows needs to make SMB file and print sharing work.
> <snip>

thanks

> >
> > > check username/password identical on all machines
> >
> > none
>
> Check that the primary logon is set to "Client for Microsoft Networks"
> (I think that's what it's called)

It was login, so alterd it, if it changed it would have done that by itelf


> >
> > > try accessing by IP address e.g. \\192.168.0.2\sharename
>
> Did you try this?

nope, but wouldnt i alter the first single digit to match mine? the network
used to have a 0 but now another figure


>
> > > check the lmhosts files
> >

not sure how to do that


> > Everything was ok until the new router was put in place, i switched on
> > another machine and that found and could be seen by 2 others.
> >
> > Not altered nothing.
> > Mix of 98, SE, ME and XP pro, all can ping and lan gaming but the XP
machine
> > is connected to a hi fi which used mp3's from the scsi machine but cant
see
> > that.
> >
> > XP machine wont even let me bring up the network place screen, i did try
to
> > set up new network thing which i had never needed before but no luck
> >
> Have you tried the "repair" option on the XP machine?

yes before


>
> Although it does sound like a problem associated with the master browser
> or name services of some sort or another. If that's the case it might
> be worth using static LAN IPs, putting them in the lmhosts file on each
> machine and enabling lmhosts lookup.

Can you please explain a bit further about lmhosts, i know how to assign a
IP bit

thanks for the help

In article <ZBGIc.34702$I%(E-Mail Removed) >, "Julian
Hales" (E-Mail Removed) says...
<snip>
> > >
> > > > try accessing by IP address e.g. \\192.168.0.2\sharename
> >
> > Did you try this?
>
> nope, but wouldnt i alter the first single digit to match mine? the network
> used to have a 0 but now another figure
>
Yes, that was just a typical IP address, assuming the router was
192.168.0.1
<snip>
> Can you please explain a bit further about lmhosts, i know how to assign a
> IP bit
>
On each PC create a file called lmhosts with a format like this

192.168.1.2 hostname1
192.168.1.3 hostname2
192.168.1.4 hostname4

using the appropriate IP addresses and machine names. Enable "lmhosts
lookup" wherever it's hiding in the network settings, and it will should
resolve PC names to IP addresses.

In Xp the lmhosts file lives in windows\system32\drivers\etc
I think it's just in windows\ in Windows9x
There should be a file called lmhosts.sam which is a sample file
explaining some of the more advanced stuff - that's the folder where you
need to put your lmhosts file.