Private network

Please be patient with me. I am new to Linux. I have 2 computers. One
windows xp machine with 2 ethernet networkcards.
One ethernetcard is connected using adsl with internet
Second card is connected to second computer

On this second computer i have installed Linux Red Hat 9.

At the moment the Linux machine is not directly connected to internet .
Later I want to configure internet through the windows machine (so first
over a private network from Linux to windows, then access internet there. I
have no idea yet how to do that, but that's or later concern. First I like
to connect the 2 machines.

Linux is installed and starts ok. I want to configure the network. When I
look in the system tools there is a "Network Device Control", which is
empty. First i have to install a device. The only place to install the
device is the 'Internet configuration Wizard' (but there is no direct
internet connection). I can use this by selecting Ethernet connection and
other ethernet card. 3com501 is detected and selected, device eth0, irq
unknown to let it detect. This way i can install the device. It is inactive.
I can activate it here or in network device control both same result:
"Cannot activate network device eth0"

Restarting computer with errormessage:
Bringing up interface eth0: 3c501 device eth0 does not seem to be present,
delaying initialisation.

I had installed both machines with windows xp then the connection worked.

It seems i have selected the wrong adapter, but i believe it must be
correct. Is there some other reason for this message.

Any idea what the problem could be?

Any one?

Thanks,

Geert-Jan

Geert-Jan van Leeuwen <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
[snip]
> Restarting computer with errormessage:
> Bringing up interface eth0: 3c501 device eth0 does not seem to be
> present, delaying initialisation.

Linux has always detected and initialized my ethernet card. I havnt
seen a case in recent times where an ethernet card is not detected by
linux. See if the drivers for your card are available for linux.

> I had installed both machines with windows xp then the connection
> worked.

That means your ethernet card is working properly.

> It seems i have selected the wrong adapter, but i believe it must be
> correct. Is there some other reason for this message.

Try running the hardware detection tool, kudzu. I dont know much about it,
how to start it, try from the command line. Others may be able to give exact
location.

> Any idea what the problem could be?
>
> Any one?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geert-Jan

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Hi,

what does lspci returns? It should show your two cards and provide their
chip name. Check if the right modules are loaded for both cards with lsmod
(what kernel version are you running?).

Tom

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Geert-Jan van Leeuwen wrote:

> Please be patient with me. I am new to Linux. I have 2 computers. One
> windows xp machine with 2 ethernet networkcards.
> One ethernetcard is connected using adsl with internet
> Second card is connected to second computer
>
> On this second computer i have installed Linux Red Hat 9.
>
> At the moment the Linux machine is not directly connected to internet .
> Later I want to configure internet through the windows machine (so first
> over a private network from Linux to windows, then access internet there.
> I have no idea yet how to do that, but that's or later concern. First I
> like to connect the 2 machines.
>
> Linux is installed and starts ok. I want to configure the network. When I
> look in the system tools there is a "Network Device Control", which is
> empty. First i have to install a device. The only place to install the
> device is the 'Internet configuration Wizard' (but there is no direct
> internet connection). I can use this by selecting Ethernet connection and
> other ethernet card. 3com501 is detected and selected, device eth0, irq
> unknown to let it detect. This way i can install the device. It is
> inactive. I can activate it here or in network device control both same
> result: "Cannot activate network device eth0"
>
> Restarting computer with errormessage:
> Bringing up interface eth0: 3c501 device eth0 does not seem to be present,
> delaying initialisation.
>
> I had installed both machines with windows xp then the connection worked.
>
> It seems i have selected the wrong adapter, but i believe it must be
> correct. Is there some other reason for this message.
>
> Any idea what the problem could be?
>
> Any one?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geert-Jan

Hi Thomas,

Thank you very much for your answer.

> what does lspci returns? It should show your two cards and provide their
> chip name.

I didn't know that command (I told you i am a beginner).
lspci on the commandline:
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge
(rev 03)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev
03)
00:04.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02)
00:04.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
00:04.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
00:04.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02)
00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone]
(rev 64)
00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 05)
00:0d.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev
05)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2
Pro] (rev 11)

Ah, 3C905B. So it IS a wrong driver.

>Check if the right modules are loaded for both cards with lsmod
Result lsmod:
Module Size Used by Not tainted
iptable_filter 2412 0 (autoclean) (unused)
ip_tables 15096 1 [iptable_filter]
parport_pc 19076 1 (autoclean)
lp 8996 0 (autoclean)
parport 37056 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp]
autofs 13268 0 (autoclean) (unused)
sg 36524 0 (autoclean)
sr_mod 18136 0 (autoclean)
ide-scsi 12208 0
scsi_mod 107160 3 [sg sr_mod ide-scsi]
ide-cd 35708 0
cdrom 33728 0 [sr_mod ide-cd]
keybdev 2944 0 (unused)
mousedev 5492 0
hid 22148 0 (unused)
input 5856 0 [keybdev mousedev hid]
usb-uhci 26348 0 (unused)
usbcore 78784 1 [hid usb-uhci]
ext3 70784 2
jbd 51892 2 [ext3]

The driver is not in here.

> (what kernel version are you running?).

2.4.20.8


U have been puzzling over the whole situation. Reformatted the linux
harddisk. Same problem. In Internet configuration wizard selected "3com
3C590/3c595/3c90x/3c980" then error "determining ip information for rth0:
failed"

Deleted them in Internet configuration wizard.

Am looking at www.3com.com for updated drivers.
Downloading 3c90x-102.tar.gz that was tested for RedHat 7.1 and kernel
2.4.2-2
Extracted the file.

I runned the file 'install3c90x' and started Internet configuration wizard.
Changed modules.conf to add: alias eth0 3c90x

In lsmod one of the lines read:
3c59x 30704 1

There's a warning:
"eth0 has an alias in module 3c90x in modules.conf, instead of currently
loaded module 3c95x"


There IS some change, but it still doesn't work. How can I change that
currectly loaded module?
I AM doing something wrong.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Geert-Jan

> Tom
>
> --
> <lilo> "PLEASE RESPECT INTELLECTUAL RIGHTS!"
> <lilo> "Please demonstrate intellect."

> > Restarting computer with errormessage:
> > Bringing up interface eth0: 3c501 device eth0 does not seem to be
> > present, delaying initialisation.
>
> Linux has always detected and initialized my ethernet card. I havnt
> seen a case in recent times where an ethernet card is not detected by
> linux. See if the drivers for your card are available for linux.

I did that. Thanks. See my mail to Thomas

> > I had installed both machines with windows xp then the connection
> > worked.
>
> That means your ethernet card is working properly.

Right.

> > It seems i have selected the wrong adapter, but i believe it must be
> > correct. Is there some other reason for this message.
>
> Try running the hardware detection tool, kudzu. I dont know much about it,
> how to start it, try from the command line. Others may be able to give
exact
> location.

I am not sure either. Will try a couple of things and then, if it doesn't
work return to my manuals. I cannot seem to get it right. I am doing
something wrong, but cannot find it.

Thank you very much for your answer.

Geert-Jan

> > Any idea what the problem could be?
> >
> > Any one?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geert-Jan
>
> --
> Madhur Ahuja [madhur<underscore>ahuja<at>yahoo<dot>com]
>
> Homepage
> http://madhur.netfirms.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

"Geert-Jan van Leeuwen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<(E-Mail Removed)>...
> Hi Thomas,
>
> Thank you very much for your answer.
[snip]
>
> Ah, 3C905B. So it IS a wrong driver.
>
> >Check if the right modules are loaded for both cards with lsmod
> Result lsmod:
> Module Size Used by Not tainted
> iptable_filter 2412 0 (autoclean) (unused)
[snip]
>
> The driver is not in here.
>
> > (what kernel version are you running?).
>
> 2.4.20.8
>
>
> U have been puzzling over the whole situation. Reformatted the linux
> harddisk. Same problem. In Internet configuration wizard selected "3com
> 3C590/3c595/3c90x/3c980" then error "determining ip information for rth0:
> failed"
>
> Deleted them in Internet configuration wizard.
>
> Am looking at www.3com.com for updated drivers.
> Downloading 3c90x-102.tar.gz that was tested for RedHat 7.1 and kernel
> 2.4.2-2
> Extracted the file.
>
> I runned the file 'install3c90x' and started Internet configuration wizard.
> Changed modules.conf to add: alias eth0 3c90x
>
> In lsmod one of the lines read:
> 3c59x 30704 1
>
> There's a warning:
> "eth0 has an alias in module 3c90x in modules.conf, instead of currently
> loaded module 3c95x"
>
>
> There IS some change, but it still doesn't work. How can I change that
> currectly loaded module?
> I AM doing something wrong.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geert-Jan
>

At a command prompt (x console) just type "neat" and get the "full"
net config gui tool. It's the same as redhat-config-network -- but
shorter

If you don't have them I strongly suggest you get the reference and
customization guides for RH9 as they provide the best documentation
for config files and locations when you need to look at the "real"
setup info in the text files. There are several of them and they are
scattered about.

BTW, the nic module/driver will be loaded automatically in ifup as the
system boots. That's the message you see, "Bringing up eth0 ...".
That's also where the error message is coming from -- the correct
module for the nic is not loading and initializing properly. If you
look in the scripts (/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/network-functions
?) it's the function "is_available".

hth,
prg
email above disabled

P Gentry wrote:

> "Geert-Jan van Leeuwen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:<(E-Mail Removed)>...
>> Hi Thomas,
>>
>> Thank you very much for your answer.
> [snip]
>>
>> Ah, 3C905B. So it IS a wrong driver.
>>
>> >Check if the right modules are loaded for both cards with lsmod
>> Result lsmod:
>> Module Size Used by Not tainted
>> iptable_filter 2412 0 (autoclean) (unused)
> [snip]
>>
>> The driver is not in here.
>>
>> > (what kernel version are you running?).
>>
>> 2.4.20.8
>>
>>
>> U have been puzzling over the whole situation. Reformatted the linux
>> harddisk. Same problem. In Internet configuration wizard selected "3com
>> 3C590/3c595/3c90x/3c980" then error "determining ip information for rth0:
>> failed"
>>
>> Deleted them in Internet configuration wizard.
>>
>> Am looking at www.3com.com for updated drivers.
>> Downloading 3c90x-102.tar.gz that was tested for RedHat 7.1 and kernel
>> 2.4.2-2
>> Extracted the file.
>>
>> I runned the file 'install3c90x' and started Internet configuration
>> wizard. Changed modules.conf to add: alias eth0 3c90x
>>
>> In lsmod one of the lines read:
>> 3c59x 30704 1
>>
>> There's a warning:
>> "eth0 has an alias in module 3c90x in modules.conf, instead of currently
>> loaded module 3c95x"
>>
>>
>> There IS some change, but it still doesn't work. How can I change that
>> currectly loaded module?
>> I AM doing something wrong.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Geert-Jan
>>
>
> At a command prompt (x console) just type "neat" and get the "full"
> net config gui tool. It's the same as redhat-config-network -- but
> shorter
>
> If you don't have them I strongly suggest you get the reference and
> customization guides for RH9 as they provide the best documentation
> for config files and locations when you need to look at the "real"
> setup info in the text files. There are several of them and they are
> scattered about.
>
> BTW, the nic module/driver will be loaded automatically in ifup as the
> system boots. That's the message you see, "Bringing up eth0 ...".
> That's also where the error message is coming from -- the correct
> module for the nic is not loading and initializing properly. If you
> look in the scripts (/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/network-functions
> ?) it's the function "is_available".
>
> hth,
> prg
> email above disabled


Agree with the comments above. I'm not really familiar with RedHat config
tools but I would use them as much as possible.

It seems 3c59x is the right module, you should remove the line from
module.conf to get rid of the message and the kernel should automatically
load it

You could then check the result of "ifconfig -a". If the card is detected,
it should show an entry for eth0.

Tom

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