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Jason Williams
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      12-13-2007, 05:27 PM
We are finally going to DHCP setup at my company! This has been
something that is long overdue.
However, it will be a daunting task.

We have almost 3000 clients all statically assigned. I know, crazy.

My question is, is it possible to import a list of IP addresses into a
DHCP server that will be setup in Active Directory?
Its a long story as to why we need to do this, but it is a temporary
solution as we move forward. But I do need the ability to importat
addresses.

I've googled around, but have not found anything, so i was hoping to
get some help here.

Appreciate it.

JW
 
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Bill Grant
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      12-13-2007, 09:34 PM
Even if it was possible, what information would you "import" into DCHP,
where is DHCP would you put it and where would you export this info from?

DHCP isn't just a store of information about your network.The D at the
front stands for dynamic, and that is how it works. The info it does have is
allocated to clients on demand.

The work involved will be concerned with deciding what scopes you will
need to set up and what info to put in each scope. This info isn't someting
that is stored somewhere on you current network that can be tranferred to
DHCP.

"Jason Williams" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:54f8c4c8-471b-441c-958b-(E-Mail Removed)...
> We are finally going to DHCP setup at my company! This has been
> something that is long overdue.
> However, it will be a daunting task.
>
> We have almost 3000 clients all statically assigned. I know, crazy.
>
> My question is, is it possible to import a list of IP addresses into a
> DHCP server that will be setup in Active Directory?
> Its a long story as to why we need to do this, but it is a temporary
> solution as we move forward. But I do need the ability to importat
> addresses.
>
> I've googled around, but have not found anything, so i was hoping to
> get some help here.
>
> Appreciate it.
>
> JW


 
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Phillip Windell
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      12-13-2007, 09:38 PM
No.
You don't do that anyway.
The whole point of DHCP is that it doesn't matter what IP# they get.
If it matters what IP# they get,..then don't use DHCP for those particular
machines.

You have to start out with the DHCP Scope using only IP#s that aren't
already assinged. The Scope will encompass the whole subnet range, but will
be limited by Exclusions to only "give out" the currently "unused"
addresses.

Then let's say you have 20 unused addresses. Go and switch the TCP/IP
config of 20 machines to use DHCP. When they get a new address from the
DHCP that will "free up" 20 more addresses that they are no longer using.
Now adjust the Exclusions to "add in" those additional 20 address to what
the Scope is allowed to "give out". Rinse & Repeat the process untill all
the machines you want switched over are done. Of course the larger the
number of addresses you can do at one time, the faster you will get done.

You may be forced to move some "static" machines & devices to a different
static IP# if they are "scattered" around too much. You want your
statically assigned devices grouped so that they fit within a certain range
of addresses to keep it managable,..typically it would be the lower
addresses. If you don't do that it may be nearly impossble to create any
Exclusions that make sense. This all has to be done neatly and
orderly,...if it isn't,...then you need to make it neat and orderly.

Exclusions
Be very careful how you create them. Your Servers and Network Devices
should always be static and never use DHCP. You want a *dedicated*
Exclusion to that range of addesses that probably will never be changed.
Then you need additonal Exclusions that are temporary and constantly being
edited to perform the process I mentioned above. When you are finsihed the
temporary Exclusions will be deleted and only the "dedicated" Exclusions
will remain.

Reservations
These are address for machines where you want the machine to use DHCP, yet
at the same time you want to be sure it always gets the same address. There
should be very *FEW* of these,...they should only be for special
situations,...anything else beyond that you just use Static Addresses and
not use DHCP at all.

Multiple Subnets
Obviously with 3000 machine you will have multiple subnets,..especially
considering that with Ethernet a subnet should never have more than 250-300
hosts (like a /24 subnet) due to the loss effieciency caused by broadcasts.
If you do this project with a single DHCP Server, do not create a
Superscope!
Create distinct separate scopes for each subnet.
Configure your LAN Routers to forward DHCP Queries to the DHCP Server.
That's it.

--
Phillip Windell
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft,
or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
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"Jason Williams" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:54f8c4c8-471b-441c-958b-(E-Mail Removed)...
> We are finally going to DHCP setup at my company! This has been
> something that is long overdue.
> However, it will be a daunting task.
>
> We have almost 3000 clients all statically assigned. I know, crazy.
>
> My question is, is it possible to import a list of IP addresses into a
> DHCP server that will be setup in Active Directory?
> Its a long story as to why we need to do this, but it is a temporary
> solution as we move forward. But I do need the ability to importat
> addresses.
>
> I've googled around, but have not found anything, so i was hoping to
> get some help here.
>
> Appreciate it.
>
> JW



 
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Adamu Garba
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      12-17-2007, 07:51 AM
You know,

The whole essence of deploying DHCP is to ease your administration and IP
address lease to client systems.
The mistake had already been done and no short cut to it. In that instance,
you have to settle down, plan, design and implement a well defined DHCP
infrastructure with all appropriate subnetting, reservations, exclusions and
lease durations; dont authorize the it yet. and i advice that u use
diiferent IP address numbers from the one u statically assigned on systems
to avoid possible IP conflicts on some NICs.

For each subnet, change the clients IP settings to Dynamic, then authorize
the DHCP server in AD and assign the IP range for that particular subnet.

Continue this for each subnet untill u complete the whole 3000 systems. I
think that pays the price of the mistake.

Adamu Garba.
MCSE security 2008

"Phillip Windell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> No.
> You don't do that anyway.
> The whole point of DHCP is that it doesn't matter what IP# they get.
> If it matters what IP# they get,..then don't use DHCP for those particular
> machines.
>
> You have to start out with the DHCP Scope using only IP#s that aren't
> already assinged. The Scope will encompass the whole subnet range, but
> will be limited by Exclusions to only "give out" the currently "unused"
> addresses.
>
> Then let's say you have 20 unused addresses. Go and switch the TCP/IP
> config of 20 machines to use DHCP. When they get a new address from the
> DHCP that will "free up" 20 more addresses that they are no longer using.
> Now adjust the Exclusions to "add in" those additional 20 address to what
> the Scope is allowed to "give out". Rinse & Repeat the process untill all
> the machines you want switched over are done. Of course the larger the
> number of addresses you can do at one time, the faster you will get done.
>
> You may be forced to move some "static" machines & devices to a different
> static IP# if they are "scattered" around too much. You want your
> statically assigned devices grouped so that they fit within a certain
> range of addresses to keep it managable,..typically it would be the lower
> addresses. If you don't do that it may be nearly impossble to create any
> Exclusions that make sense. This all has to be done neatly and
> orderly,...if it isn't,...then you need to make it neat and orderly.
>
> Exclusions
> Be very careful how you create them. Your Servers and Network Devices
> should always be static and never use DHCP. You want a *dedicated*
> Exclusion to that range of addesses that probably will never be changed.
> Then you need additonal Exclusions that are temporary and constantly being
> edited to perform the process I mentioned above. When you are finsihed
> the temporary Exclusions will be deleted and only the "dedicated"
> Exclusions will remain.
>
> Reservations
> These are address for machines where you want the machine to use DHCP, yet
> at the same time you want to be sure it always gets the same address.
> There should be very *FEW* of these,...they should only be for special
> situations,...anything else beyond that you just use Static Addresses and
> not use DHCP at all.
>
> Multiple Subnets
> Obviously with 3000 machine you will have multiple subnets,..especially
> considering that with Ethernet a subnet should never have more than
> 250-300 hosts (like a /24 subnet) due to the loss effieciency caused by
> broadcasts.
> If you do this project with a single DHCP Server, do not create a
> Superscope!
> Create distinct separate scopes for each subnet.
> Configure your LAN Routers to forward DHCP Queries to the DHCP Server.
> That's it.
>
> --
> Phillip Windell
> www.wandtv.com
>
> The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or
> Microsoft,
> or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> "Jason Williams" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:54f8c4c8-471b-441c-958b-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> We are finally going to DHCP setup at my company! This has been
>> something that is long overdue.
>> However, it will be a daunting task.
>>
>> We have almost 3000 clients all statically assigned. I know, crazy.
>>
>> My question is, is it possible to import a list of IP addresses into a
>> DHCP server that will be setup in Active Directory?
>> Its a long story as to why we need to do this, but it is a temporary
>> solution as we move forward. But I do need the ability to importat
>> addresses.
>>
>> I've googled around, but have not found anything, so i was hoping to
>> get some help here.
>>
>> Appreciate it.
>>
>> JW

>
>


 
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