Plus Net Binary News Servers SUCK bigtime.

Just had one rude awakening regarding the binary news servers on Plus Net,
they are none existant.

a.b.multimedia from a total of 4567 binary files 45 were completed.
a.b.multimedia.scifi from 1643 total files 8 were completed.

That is 1% and 0.5% completion ratio that is one trashy service. Question
why do I pay extra for the binary service? Is there any way of changing
from a 1 year contract with binary to a 1 year contract with no binary?

Who in the UK provides decent binary news services at a reasonable price?

Thanks for any help.
One2Go

One2Go wrote:
> Just had one rude awakening regarding the binary news servers on Plus
> Net, they are none existant.
>
> a.b.multimedia from a total of 4567 binary files 45 were completed.
> a.b.multimedia.scifi from 1643 total files 8 were completed.
>
> That is 1% and 0.5% completion ratio that is one trashy service.
> Question why do I pay extra for the binary service? Is there any way
> of changing from a 1 year contract with binary to a 1 year contract
> with no binary?
>
> Who in the UK provides decent binary news services at a reasonable
> price?
>
> Thanks for any help.
> One2Go


Don't think they are in UK but Astraweb do a great service. 25 Gbytes for
$10 and 10 day retention.

http://www.news.astraweb.com/



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One2Go wrote:
> Just had one rude awakening regarding the binary news servers on Plus
> Net, they are none existant.
>
> a.b.multimedia from a total of 4567 binary files 45 were completed.
> a.b.multimedia.scifi from 1643 total files 8 were completed.
>
> That is 1% and 0.5% completion ratio that is one trashy service.
> Question why do I pay extra for the binary service? Is there any way
> of changing from a 1 year contract with binary to a 1 year contract
> with no binary?
>
> Who in the UK provides decent binary news services at a reasonable
> price?
>
> Thanks for any help.
> One2Go


Don't think they are in UK but Astraweb do a great service. 25 Gbytes for
$10 and 10 day retention.

(There US based amd £7 a month to fill 512 connection with unlimited plan
and at the moment have around 5 - 6 days retention)

http://www.news.astraweb.com/



ed

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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:02:02 GMT, One2Go <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Just had one rude awakening regarding the binary news servers on Plus Net,
>they are none existant.
>
>a.b.multimedia from a total of 4567 binary files 45 were completed.
>a.b.multimedia.scifi from 1643 total files 8 were completed.
>
>That is 1% and 0.5% completion ratio that is one trashy service. Question
>why do I pay extra for the binary service? Is there any way of changing
>from a 1 year contract with binary to a 1 year contract with no binary?
>
>Who in the UK provides decent binary news services at a reasonable price?
>
>Thanks for any help.
>One2Go


Zen have been the same since xmas hardly any complete files on the
binarys

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
Grangpa <newsgroup> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:02:02 GMT, One2Go <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >Just had one rude awakening regarding the binary news servers on Plus Net,
> >they are none existant.
> >
> >a.b.multimedia from a total of 4567 binary files 45 were completed.
> >a.b.multimedia.scifi from 1643 total files 8 were completed.
> >
> >That is 1% and 0.5% completion ratio that is one trashy service. Question
> >why do I pay extra for the binary service? Is there any way of changing
> >from a 1 year contract with binary to a 1 year contract with no binary?
> >
> >Who in the UK provides decent binary news services at a reasonable price?
> >
> >Thanks for any help.
> >One2Go
>
>
> Zen have been the same since xmas hardly any complete files on the
> binarys

Providing a good news service for binaries requires a huge investment
in kit nowadays. That needs to be paid for, and the only viable way
to pay for it is to charge for it as a separate premium service.

There's no way the costs can realistically be absorbed into a standard
ISP access subscription, and I wish ISPs would stop trying, as it does
their reputations no good each time it goes pear-shaped. They should
provide text-only news as a bundled service, and those ISPs that want
to can additionally offer a properly funded binaries service at a
viable extra cost.

Cheers,
Tony
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On 22 Jan 2004 09:10:00 -0000, (E-Mail Removed) (Tony
Mountifield) wrote:

>There's no way the costs can realistically be absorbed into a standard
>ISP access subscription, and I wish ISPs would stop trying, as it does
>their reputations no good each time it goes pear-shaped. They should
>provide text-only news as a bundled service, and those ISPs that want
>to can additionally offer a properly funded binaries service at a
>viable extra cost.

Hi Tony,

This is a very fair point. As was announced back in December, we are
planning to overhaul our news service in March and hope to be able to
provide a pretty good news service as a result. As you say though,
providing a decent binary feed is an uphill struggle and I can see
your prediction becoming the case for all ISPs in the future, simply
because the amount of binary content posted to Usenet continues to
grow as more people get broadband access.

Regards,

Ian
--
| Ian Wild Unmetered & ADSL solutions
| Customer Support for Home & Business
| PlusNet Technologies Ltd. @ http://www.plus.net
+ ------- My Referrals - It pays to recommend PlusNet -------

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
(E-Mail Removed) (PlusNet Support Team) wrote:

> We only carry newsgroups from the 'official' ISC listing

What 'official' listing.

Does ISC own usenet?

What does ISC have to do with the UK.* hierarchy?

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Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

begin Who gives a fuck about Outlook Express anyway.exe

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:25 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(E-Mail Removed) (Paul Cummins) wrote:

>What 'official' listing.
>
>Does ISC own usenet?
>
>What does ISC have to do with the UK.* hierarchy?

I put 'official' in quotes because it isn't really official (Obviously
there is no such thing!). The ISC active list is however the same list
is as used by many other ISPs to provide a standardised list of groups
and the list itself does include uk.* groups.

ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/active

Regards,

Ian
--
| Ian Wild Unmetered & ADSL solutions
| Customer Support for Home & Business
| PlusNet Technologies Ltd. @ http://www.plus.net
+ ------- My Referrals - It pays to recommend PlusNet -------

PlusNet Support Team <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news(E-Mail Removed):

> On 22 Jan 2004 09:10:00 -0000, (E-Mail Removed) (Tony
> Mountifield) wrote:
>
>>There's no way the costs can realistically be absorbed into a standard
>>ISP access subscription, and I wish ISPs would stop trying, as it does
>>their reputations no good each time it goes pear-shaped. They should
>>provide text-only news as a bundled service, and those ISPs that want
>>to can additionally offer a properly funded binaries service at a
>>viable extra cost.
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> This is a very fair point. As was announced back in December, we are
> planning to overhaul our news service in March and hope to be able to
> provide a pretty good news service as a result. As you say though,
> providing a decent binary feed is an uphill struggle and I can see
> your prediction becoming the case for all ISPs in the future, simply
> because the amount of binary content posted to Usenet continues to
> grow as more people get broadband access.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ian
> --
>| Ian Wild Unmetered & ADSL solutions
>| Customer Support for Home & Business
>| PlusNet Technologies Ltd. @ http://www.plus.net
> + ------- My Referrals - It pays to recommend PlusNet -------
>

As comparison I have EasyNet and now I wish I would have stayed with
them. Their binary news servers carry a 4 day retention and a very high
completion ratio. However I am stuck in a years contract and wish you
success in your upgrade. I have no problem paying a premium for good
completion ratio and 5 days of retention. As it is I am not comparing
PlusNet to any of the premium News Servers, just hoped that what was
stated as a service was actually provided.

One2Go

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Jonathan
Buzzard wrote:
> Of course if you actually know that the material carried in the said
> groups contains pornographic material of children, which you can only
> have done by looking at it, then you are also breaking the law and
> are liable to end up on the sex offenders register.

Clearly, it's a minefield, full of rules and regulations written by
people who haven't a clue how the technology works. The particular
aspect of this that I was trying to emphasise is that a newsgroup
cannot really be said to "contain" anything in the usual sense.
Messages are always passing through, so that what is carried on the
hard disk on one day will be quite different on another day, or even at
a different hour. It thus has more of the characteristics of a
communication channel than a storage medium, the use of a hard disk
simply being a technological detail. It could be argued that electronic
memory "contains" information in the same dubious way.

The question that needs to be settled, if there are any legal experts
capable of understanding all the ramifications, is how long an
automatically managed temporary store (which is really only a dumb
electronic component) has to keep data before it can be regarded as a
container of it, rather than a conduit.

Rod.