PDC/BDC

I have a SBS 2003 server thats running AD and Sharepoint services. I recently
purchased a SBS 2003 r2. I would like to configure the new computer as a BDC.
I wasn't exactly sure how to do it. can someone please steer me on the right
path.

There is no such thing as a BDC in AD.

AD DCs operate in multimaster mode.

SBS is a beast of it's own. You might get a better answer asking in
microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs


hth
DDS

"New Administrator" <New (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:64ACEED6-5FB3-4714-AFE6-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I have a SBS 2003 server thats running AD and Sharepoint services. I
>recently
> purchased a SBS 2003 r2. I would like to configure the new computer as a
> BDC.
> I wasn't exactly sure how to do it. can someone please steer me on the
> right
> path.

"New Administrator" <New (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:64ACEED6-5FB3-4714-AFE6-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I have a SBS 2003 server thats running AD and Sharepoint services. I recently
> purchased a SBS 2003 r2. I would like to configure the new computer as a BDC.
> I wasn't exactly sure how to do it. can someone please steer me on the right
> path.

There is no such thing as a BDC or a PDC since NT4.0.
Beginning with Windows Server 2000 there is a "PDC FSMO Role" but that is not
the same thing. There is no "BDC Role" at all.

1. SBS *requires* always being the DC with the PDC Role.
2. SBS allows having other DCs as long as SBS "runs the show"
3. SBS will *not* join an existing Domian
4. SBS will *not* establish a trust with other Domains.
5. Item #3 pretty much makes item #2 pointless.
6. There are some third-party, non-Microsoft solutions to get around some of
those limitations for the sake of disaster recovery,...this is very good
considering that SBS's limitations has given new meaning to the "disaster" in
Disaster Recovery.

--
Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
with me, including my cats.
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Thanks for the replies, I just wanted to clarify incase i wasn't understood.
(PDC) Primary Domain Controller / (BDC) Backup Domain Controller. The main
thing I want to do is have the new server backup the older server incase of a
disaster.

"Phillip Windell" wrote:

> "New Administrator" <New (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:64ACEED6-5FB3-4714-AFE6-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I have a SBS 2003 server thats running AD and Sharepoint services. I recently
> > purchased a SBS 2003 r2. I would like to configure the new computer as a BDC.
> > I wasn't exactly sure how to do it. can someone please steer me on the right
> > path.
>
> There is no such thing as a BDC or a PDC since NT4.0.
> Beginning with Windows Server 2000 there is a "PDC FSMO Role" but that is not
> the same thing. There is no "BDC Role" at all.
>
> 1. SBS *requires* always being the DC with the PDC Role.
> 2. SBS allows having other DCs as long as SBS "runs the show"
> 3. SBS will *not* join an existing Domian
> 4. SBS will *not* establish a trust with other Domains.
> 5. Item #3 pretty much makes item #2 pointless.
> 6. There are some third-party, non-Microsoft solutions to get around some of
> those limitations for the sake of disaster recovery,...this is very good
> considering that SBS's limitations has given new meaning to the "disaster" in
> Disaster Recovery.
>
> --
> Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> www.wandtv.com
>
> The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
> my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
> with me, including my cats.
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

> Thanks for the replies, I just wanted to clarify incase i wasn't
> understood.
> (PDC) Primary Domain Controller / (BDC) Backup Domain Controller. The main
> thing I want to do is have the new server backup the older server incase
> of a
> disaster.

When installing Win 2k3 there is no option to choose BDC like when
installing NT 4.0.

If Phil is correct about this part:
>> 3. SBS will *not* join an existing Domian

Your going to have other problems like exchanging your recently purchased
Win 2k3 SBS R2 media for Win 2k3 media.


hth
DDS



"New Administrator" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:85A6DDB4-8BD0-4C0A-B2C1-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Thanks for the replies, I just wanted to clarify incase i wasn't
> understood.
> (PDC) Primary Domain Controller / (BDC) Backup Domain Controller. The main
> thing I want to do is have the new server backup the older server incase
> of a
> disaster.
>
> "Phillip Windell" wrote:
>
>> "New Administrator" <New (E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>> in
>> message news:64ACEED6-5FB3-4714-AFE6-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >I have a SBS 2003 server thats running AD and Sharepoint services. I
>> >recently
>> > purchased a SBS 2003 r2. I would like to configure the new computer as
>> > a BDC.
>> > I wasn't exactly sure how to do it. can someone please steer me on the
>> > right
>> > path.
>>
>> There is no such thing as a BDC or a PDC since NT4.0.
>> Beginning with Windows Server 2000 there is a "PDC FSMO Role" but that is
>> not
>> the same thing. There is no "BDC Role" at all.
>>
>> 1. SBS *requires* always being the DC with the PDC Role.
>> 2. SBS allows having other DCs as long as SBS "runs the show"
>> 3. SBS will *not* join an existing Domian
>> 4. SBS will *not* establish a trust with other Domains.
>> 5. Item #3 pretty much makes item #2 pointless.
>> 6. There are some third-party, non-Microsoft solutions to get around some
>> of
>> those limitations for the sake of disaster recovery,...this is very good
>> considering that SBS's limitations has given new meaning to the
>> "disaster" in
>> Disaster Recovery.
>>
>> --
>> Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
>> www.wandtv.com
>>
>> The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they
>> sound), are
>> my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else
>> associated
>> with me, including my cats.
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>

In news:(E-Mail Removed),
Danny Sanders <(E-Mail Removed)> stated, which I commented on below:

> When installing Win 2k3 there is no option to choose BDC like when
> installing NT 4.0.
>
> If Phil is correct about this part:
>>> 3. SBS will *not* join an existing Domian
>
> Your going to have other problems like exchanging your recently
> purchased Win 2k3 SBS R2 media for Win 2k3 media.
>
>
> hth
> DDS

Danny, I agree with Phillip. You can't join an SBS domain controller to
another SBS domain.

Also to the "New Admisntrator":
THere is NO such thing as a PDC or BDC. There is a PDC Emulator role, but
not as what you are thinking of as an NT4 term. The NT4 terminology is gone
when it comes to AD. All domain controllers are replicas.

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confers no rights.

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Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
Microsoft Certified Trainer

Innovative IT Concepts, Inc (IITCI)
Willow Grove, PA

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"New Administrator" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:85A6DDB4-8BD0-4C0A-B2C1-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Thanks for the replies, I just wanted to clarify incase i wasn't understood.
> (PDC) Primary Domain Controller / (BDC) Backup Domain Controller. The main
> thing I want to do is have the new server backup the older server incase of a
> disaster.

Same answer I already gave.

--
Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
with me, including my cats.
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I also saw this http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/884453

This looks like...what i'm trying to do. If you think its not please explain.

Thanks again!


"New Administrator" wrote:

> Phil,
>
> Thanks for hangin in there with me. What would you recommend?
>
> 6. There are some third-party, non-Microsoft solutions to get around some of
> those limitations for the sake of disaster recovery,...this is very good
> considering that SBS's limitations has given new meaning to the "disaster" in
> Disaster Recovery. "
>
> "Phillip Windell" wrote:
>
> > "New Administrator" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> > message news:85A6DDB4-8BD0-4C0A-B2C1-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Thanks for the replies, I just wanted to clarify incase i wasn't understood.
> > > (PDC) Primary Domain Controller / (BDC) Backup Domain Controller. The main
> > > thing I want to do is have the new server backup the older server incase of a
> > > disaster.
> >
> > Same answer I already gave.
> >
> > --
> > Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> > www.wandtv.com
> >
> > The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
> > my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
> > with me, including my cats.
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >

Phil,

Thanks for hangin in there with me. What would you recommend?

6. There are some third-party, non-Microsoft solutions to get around some of
those limitations for the sake of disaster recovery,...this is very good
considering that SBS's limitations has given new meaning to the "disaster" in
Disaster Recovery. "

"Phillip Windell" wrote:

> "New Administrator" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:85A6DDB4-8BD0-4C0A-B2C1-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Thanks for the replies, I just wanted to clarify incase i wasn't understood.
> > (PDC) Primary Domain Controller / (BDC) Backup Domain Controller. The main
> > thing I want to do is have the new server backup the older server incase of a
> > disaster.
>
> Same answer I already gave.
>
> --
> Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> www.wandtv.com
>
> The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
> my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
> with me, including my cats.
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

"New Administrator" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:1A792D48-DB7A-4935-A2AF-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I also saw this http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/884453
>
> This looks like...what i'm trying to do. If you think its not please explain.

No it is not. This article describes replacing the existing SBS with a new
SBS,...this is not "backing up" anything. Look at the first paragraph:

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This article does not intend to provide a migration solution. However, if you
use the steps in this article to join an existing domain that already contains
an SBS 2003 computer or an SBS 2000 computer, you will have to demote the
existing SBS server by manually running Dcpromo.exe to remove the computer from
the domain. This retirement process **must occur within 14 days** of adding the
new SBS 2003 computer to the domain or the new SBS 2003 computer may display
warnings and shut down periodically.
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It is almost a waist of time to have more than one DC with SBS. The
disaster/recovery techniques for SBS depend on making System State Full Backups
(like with Tape Drives).

You should be working with the SBS people in the groups specifically for SBS.

--
Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
with me, including my cats.
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