pcanywhere on two routers

Hi,

I'm trying to setup PCanywhere at my office so I can view files at home
and vice versa. I've never done this before but I've been told it's
fairly easy.

My situation is a bit different as at my office I'm currently
sub-letting a space and I've attached my own D-Link wireless router to
run from the high-speed connection that my landlord has which is run off
his own router. This was a bit tricky to just setup the connection but
it's been working fine.

My question is how to go about setting up PCanywhere since I think I'm
dealing with two different layers of IP addresses? does that make
sense? And I'm having trouble getting into my router right now because
everytime I do the 192.168... I get my landlords router. I've been into
my router before to setup WEP but it doesn't come up so easily now.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Dahl

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 04:49:27 GMT, markymark
<"absoludahl\"nospam\""@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I'm trying to setup PCanywhere at my office so I can view files at home
>and vice versa. I've never done this before but I've been told it's
>fairly easy.

It's fairly easy. However, you add to the challenge by not bothering
to supply an specifics as to what manufacturer and model number
router(s) you have available. So, you'll get vague answers.

>My situation is a bit different as at my office I'm currently
>sub-letting a space and I've attached my own D-Link wireless router to
>run from the high-speed connection that my landlord has which is run off
>his own router. This was a bit tricky to just setup the connection but
>it's been working fine.

OK. So, you have two routers in series. In order to get ports:
5631 TCP
5632 UDP
to pass through both routers, you'll need to configure BOTH routers.
In addition, you'll need to either setup your computer with a fixed IP
address, or use static-DHCP in your unspecified model DLink wireless
router. Incidentally, the 5631/5632 port numbers can be changed to
handle multiple PC's. Also, I've tried to use port triggering instead
of port forwarding, which is much more convenient for games. However,
that doesn't work with PC Anywhere 9 thru 12.

I'll happily describe the exact settings, but it would be nice to know
if the landlord will allow you to reconfigure his router. If he won't
allow you to mangle his setup, it can't be done.

>My question is how to go about setting up PCanywhere since I think I'm
>dealing with two different layers of IP addresses? does that make
>sense?

Yes, it makes sense. It's called "double NAT" and it's really awkward
to deal with if you don't have control over both routers. Now, if the
landlords router (actually bridge) would deliver a routeable IP
address to each apartment, this would be trivial. However, with only
one routeable IP address sitting on the landlords NAT router, you have
to configure both routers.

>And I'm having trouble getting into my router right now because
>everytime I do the 192.168... I get my landlords router. I've been into
>my router before to setup WEP but it doesn't come up so easily now.
>
>Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Dahl

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Jeff Liebermann (E-Mail Removed)
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558

markymark wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to setup PCanywhere at my office so I can view files at home
> and vice versa. I've never done this before but I've been told it's
> fairly easy.
>
> My situation is a bit different as at my office I'm currently
> sub-letting a space and I've attached my own D-Link wireless router to
> run from the high-speed connection that my landlord has which is run off
> his own router. This was a bit tricky to just setup the connection but
> it's been working fine.
>
> My question is how to go about setting up PCanywhere since I think I'm
> dealing with two different layers of IP addresses? does that make
> sense? And I'm having trouble getting into my router right now because
> everytime I do the 192.168... I get my landlords router. I've been into
> my router before to setup WEP but it doesn't come up so easily now.
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

The device IP of the landlord's router the gateway router and your router
must be the same like both being 192.168.1.1. Since the landlord's router
is the gateway router and takes presidency, any of your machines are going
to access the gateway router's admin screens when you enter the device IP
into the browser to access the admin screens. You must set your router's
device IP to be different than the gateway router's IP so that you can
access your router's admin screen via the browser.

Duane

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 04:49:27 GMT, markymark
> <"absoludahl\"nospam\""@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm trying to setup PCanywhere at my office so I can view files at home
>>and vice versa. I've never done this before but I've been told it's
>>fairly easy.
>
>
> It's fairly easy. However, you add to the challenge by not bothering
> to supply an specifics as to what manufacturer and model number
> router(s) you have available. So, you'll get vague answers.
>
>
>>My situation is a bit different as at my office I'm currently
>>sub-letting a space and I've attached my own D-Link wireless router to
>>run from the high-speed connection that my landlord has which is run off
>>his own router. This was a bit tricky to just setup the connection but
>>it's been working fine.
>
>
> OK. So, you have two routers in series. In order to get ports:
> 5631 TCP
> 5632 UDP
> to pass through both routers, you'll need to configure BOTH routers.
> In addition, you'll need to either setup your computer with a fixed IP
> address, or use static-DHCP in your unspecified model DLink wireless
> router. Incidentally, the 5631/5632 port numbers can be changed to
> handle multiple PC's. Also, I've tried to use port triggering instead
> of port forwarding, which is much more convenient for games. However,
> that doesn't work with PC Anywhere 9 thru 12.
>
> I'll happily describe the exact settings, but it would be nice to know
> if the landlord will allow you to reconfigure his router. If he won't
> allow you to mangle his setup, it can't be done.
>
>
>>My question is how to go about setting up PCanywhere since I think I'm
>>dealing with two different layers of IP addresses? does that make
>>sense?
>
>
> Yes, it makes sense. It's called "double NAT" and it's really awkward
> to deal with if you don't have control over both routers. Now, if the
> landlords router (actually bridge) would deliver a routeable IP
> address to each apartment, this would be trivial. However, with only
> one routeable IP address sitting on the landlords NAT router, you have
> to configure both routers.
>
>
>>And I'm having trouble getting into my router right now because
>>everytime I do the 192.168... I get my landlords router. I've been into
>>my router before to setup WEP but it doesn't come up so easily now.
>>
>>Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dahl
>
>
Thanks so much for the help.

My router is a D-Link DI-624M SuperG MIMO wireless router. My landlords
is also a D-Link but I'm not positive of the model number. I believe
it's the standard DI-624 wireless router.

Does this provide enough information? I really don't want to change any
settings on my landlords router as I don't want to mess up anything on
the network he already has setup. But I guess thats unavoidable. I also
did create two separate device IP's but when I try to enter mine I
still get his router and not mine. Maybe I've got it wrong but it seems
strange.

Also is it necessary to use PCAnywhere???

Again thanks for the lengthy reply and any more help would be appreciated.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 05:38:22 GMT, markymark
<"absoludahl\"nospam\""@yahoo.com> wrote:

>My router is a D-Link DI-624M SuperG MIMO wireless router. My landlords
>is also a D-Link but I'm not positive of the model number. I believe
>it's the standard DI-624 wireless router.

Argh. That means that both routers will try to assign the same
Class-C IP block for the LAN side. That won't work. Assuming the
landlords router has selected 192.168.0.1 for it's IP address, you
will need to assign some other IP block on yours. For example, setup
your DI-624N for a non-default IP address of 192.168.5.1. The "5" is
what's important. That will also re-assign the IP addresses of all
your computers on your LAN.

>Does this provide enough information?

No, but it's a start. It would be nice to know how the landlord has
his router setup. Specifically, what IP addresses he uses on the LAN
side and whether he uses DHCP or static IP's to the other tenants. My
guess is he's lazy and just uses DHCP.

>I really don't want to change any
>settings on my landlords router as I don't want to mess up anything on
>the network he already has setup. But I guess thats unavoidable.

Yep. That's why I asked. You will need to do 4 things to make this
work.

1. You will need to setup your router so that the WAN side (connected
to the landlords router) uses a fixed, non changeing IP address. You
can do this by assigning yourself a static IP address, or having the
landlord install your router with a static DHCP address in his router.
Either way, the IP address should not move.

2. You will need to redirect ports 5631(TCP) and 5632(UDP) in the
landlords router to your router's WAN IP address. It has to be a
fixed IP address because the landlords router cannot deal with a
moving target IP address.

3. On your LAN, you need setup your target machine with a similar
fixed or static-DHCP assigned IP address, that does not move. Same
reason as above as your router can't tolerate a moving target. I
would use static-DHCP simply because it's easier.

4. On your router, you will need to again redirect ports 5631(TCP)
and 5632(UDP) to the target machine.

If your landlords router were not in the way, you would only need to
do steps 3 and 4.

>I also
>did create two separate device IP's but when I try to enter mine I
>still get his router and not mine. Maybe I've got it wrong but it seems
>strange.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "two seperate" and "get his
router". I can't decode your topology, layout, or what you're using
for testing.

>Also is it necessary to use PCAnywhere???

Bad question. What you're really should be asking "Is there any
remote control program that does not require such a configuration
ordeal process"?

Well, there are lots of remote desktop control programs, but none that
I can find will go through two NAT routers automatically. There are a
few that support UPnP (Universal Plug-n-Play) that will automagically
bore holes in your firewall if supported. Those will work with one
NAT router (that's what UPnP is suppose to do), but not though two NAT
routers. Sorry, I don't think it can be done without tweaking at
least one router, or having the landlord buy routeable IP's for each
apartment (the right way to do this).

Some light reading on UPnP from the wonderful people at MicroSloth:
| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...rt/upnp01.mspx


--
Jeff Liebermann (E-Mail Removed)
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558