PC insists that it is the Master Browser

Little 20 seat network runs ok.
One laptop insists that it's the master browser.
It's getting an IP via DHCP from the Linksys router, but it's not finding
the existing master browser on the net when it logs in.

DNS or NetBios weirdness?

Can ping IPs on the net just fine.

"s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:FE2me.144$(E-Mail Removed).. .
> Little 20 seat network runs ok.
> One laptop insists that it's the master browser.
> It's getting an IP via DHCP from the Linksys router, but it's not finding
> the existing master browser on the net when it logs in.
>
> DNS or NetBios weirdness?

NetBIOS -- Browsing is a NetBIOS application.

You didn't describe any weirdness, one of of you
machines is supposed to insist on being master browser
for each subnet, so we must presume that you mean
something like "one laptop insists on being ANOTHER
master browser" or "one laptop insists on being DOMAIN
master browser instead of the PDC Emulator."

What's weird?

If it is that you don't have a Domain Master Browser on this
same subnet it might be due to disabling NetBIOS on the
PDC Emulator.

If it is just that a laptop was chosen master browser for a
random subnet then that is normal as any machine CAN be
master browser but the highest ranking machine SHOULD
win.

> Can ping IPs on the net just fine.

How many subnet nets do you have? You will have a
practical need for WINS server if you have more than one
subnet.


--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]

>
>

"Herb Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%23$(E-Mail Removed)...
> "s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:FE2me.144$(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> Little 20 seat network runs ok.
>> One laptop insists that it's the master browser.
>> It's getting an IP via DHCP from the Linksys router, but it's not finding
>> the existing master browser on the net when it logs in.
>>
>> DNS or NetBios weirdness?
>
> NetBIOS -- Browsing is a NetBIOS application.
>
> You didn't describe any weirdness, one of of you
> machines is supposed to insist on being master browser
> for each subnet, so we must presume that you mean
> something like "one laptop insists on being ANOTHER
> master browser" or "one laptop insists on being DOMAIN
> master browser instead of the PDC Emulator."
>
> What's weird?

What's weird is that there is already a master browser elected on the
subnet...

Then this laptop boots up, acquires an IP, and believes it is the master
browser.

> If it is that you don't have a Domain Master Browser on this
> same subnet it might be due to disabling NetBIOS on the
> PDC Emulator.

No PDC no BDC. One Subnet.

> If it is just that a laptop was chosen master browser for a
> random subnet then that is normal as any machine CAN be
> master browser but the highest ranking machine SHOULD
> win.

Yes, but the Master Browser that has been on the subnet longest should win
the election.

>> Can ping IPs on the net just fine.
>
> How many subnet nets do you have? You will have a
> practical need for WINS server if you have more than one
> subnet.

This is a single subnet. Simple Linksys 4 port hub with no domain.

Skip
MCP

>
>
> --
> Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
> Accelerated MCSE
> http://www.LearnQuick.Com
> [phone number on web site]
>
>>
>>
>
>

Also,

After this machine elects itself Master Browser, it can't find any machines
on subnet by name, but can ping them. It seems to think it's on it's own
subnet.

"Herb Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%23$(E-Mail Removed)...
> "s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:FE2me.144$(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> Little 20 seat network runs ok.
>> One laptop insists that it's the master browser.
>> It's getting an IP via DHCP from the Linksys router, but it's not finding
>> the existing master browser on the net when it logs in.
>>
>> DNS or NetBios weirdness?
>
> NetBIOS -- Browsing is a NetBIOS application.
>
> You didn't describe any weirdness, one of of you
> machines is supposed to insist on being master browser
> for each subnet, so we must presume that you mean
> something like "one laptop insists on being ANOTHER
> master browser" or "one laptop insists on being DOMAIN
> master browser instead of the PDC Emulator."
>
> What's weird?
>
> If it is that you don't have a Domain Master Browser on this
> same subnet it might be due to disabling NetBIOS on the
> PDC Emulator.
>
> If it is just that a laptop was chosen master browser for a
> random subnet then that is normal as any machine CAN be
> master browser but the highest ranking machine SHOULD
> win.
>
>> Can ping IPs on the net just fine.
>
> How many subnet nets do you have? You will have a
> practical need for WINS server if you have more than one
> subnet.
>
>
> --
> Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
> Accelerated MCSE
> http://www.LearnQuick.Com
> [phone number on web site]
>
>>
>>
>
>

> After this machine elects itself Master Browser, it can't find any
machines
> on subnet by name, but can ping them. It seems to think it's on it's own
> subnet.

This system is consistent with it having a DIFFERENT
WORKGROUP name.

Especially if the other machines can still find each other.

--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]

"s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:dD5me.385$(E-Mail Removed). ..
> Also,
>
>
> "Herb Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%23$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > "s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:FE2me.144$(E-Mail Removed).. .
> >> Little 20 seat network runs ok.
> >> One laptop insists that it's the master browser.
> >> It's getting an IP via DHCP from the Linksys router, but it's not
finding
> >> the existing master browser on the net when it logs in.
> >>
> >> DNS or NetBios weirdness?
> >
> > NetBIOS -- Browsing is a NetBIOS application.
> >
> > You didn't describe any weirdness, one of of you
> > machines is supposed to insist on being master browser
> > for each subnet, so we must presume that you mean
> > something like "one laptop insists on being ANOTHER
> > master browser" or "one laptop insists on being DOMAIN
> > master browser instead of the PDC Emulator."
> >
> > What's weird?
> >
> > If it is that you don't have a Domain Master Browser on this
> > same subnet it might be due to disabling NetBIOS on the
> > PDC Emulator.
> >
> > If it is just that a laptop was chosen master browser for a
> > random subnet then that is normal as any machine CAN be
> > master browser but the highest ranking machine SHOULD
> > win.
> >
> >> Can ping IPs on the net just fine.
> >
> > How many subnet nets do you have? You will have a
> > practical need for WINS server if you have more than one
> > subnet.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
> > Accelerated MCSE
> > http://www.LearnQuick.Com
> > [phone number on web site]
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

> > If it is just that a laptop was chosen master browser for a
> > random subnet then that is normal as any machine CAN be
> > master browser but the highest ranking machine SHOULD
> > win.
>
> Yes, but the Master Browser that has been on the subnet longest should win
> the election.

No, that is incorrect. In general, the highest 'ranking' machine
will win.

The "longest booted" is however one of the tie-breakers.
But that is down near the end of the checks right before
"alphabetical".

What OS & version (role would be important if you had a
domain) are the two machines running (exactly)?

Are both machines listed in the same WORKGROUP (since
you have no domain)?

Each workgroup is supposed to have a (different) Master
Browser.

You can always search for Google for:

[ MaintainServerList registry "master browser" site:microsoft.com ]

....this will get you the KB article for disabling master browser on the
laptop but you may have no actual problem here.

And also articles for the full criteria on winning a browser election:


It is also (slightly) possible that you have a broadcast
problem with your hub. Although this should be unlikely,
I have recently heard of enough of these reports to suggest
that crappy hub hardware or network cables are more of
a concern than should be expected.

From your other message:
> After this machine elects itself Master Browser, it can't find any
machines
> on subnet by name, but can ping them. It seems to think it's on it's own
> subnet.

This system is consistent with it having a DIFFERENT
WORKGROUP name.

Especially if the other machines can still find each other.

--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]

"s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Wz5me.347$(E-Mail Removed). ..
>
> "Herb Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%23$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > "s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:FE2me.144$(E-Mail Removed).. .
> >> Little 20 seat network runs ok.
> >> One laptop insists that it's the master browser.
> >> It's getting an IP via DHCP from the Linksys router, but it's not
finding
> >> the existing master browser on the net when it logs in.
> >>
> >> DNS or NetBios weirdness?
> >
> > NetBIOS -- Browsing is a NetBIOS application.
> >
> > You didn't describe any weirdness, one of of you
> > machines is supposed to insist on being master browser
> > for each subnet, so we must presume that you mean
> > something like "one laptop insists on being ANOTHER
> > master browser" or "one laptop insists on being DOMAIN
> > master browser instead of the PDC Emulator."
> >
> > What's weird?
>
> What's weird is that there is already a master browser elected on the
> subnet...
>
> Then this laptop boots up, acquires an IP, and believes it is the master
> browser.
>
> > If it is that you don't have a Domain Master Browser on this
> > same subnet it might be due to disabling NetBIOS on the
> > PDC Emulator.
>
> No PDC no BDC. One Subnet.
>
> > If it is just that a laptop was chosen master browser for a
> > random subnet then that is normal as any machine CAN be
> > master browser but the highest ranking machine SHOULD
> > win.
>
> Yes, but the Master Browser that has been on the subnet longest should win
> the election.
>
> >> Can ping IPs on the net just fine.
> >
> > How many subnet nets do you have? You will have a
> > practical need for WINS server if you have more than one
> > subnet.
>
> This is a single subnet. Simple Linksys 4 port hub with no domain.
>
> Skip
> MCP
>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
> > Accelerated MCSE
> > http://www.LearnQuick.Com
> > [phone number on web site]
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Ahhhhaa.
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d...i_brs_ECEA.asp
"The following criteria determine whether or not a browser has won an
election:

a.. If the election version of the browser is greater than the election
version of the sender, the browser wins. If not, the browser uses the next
election criterion. The election version is a constant value that identifies
the version of the browser-election protocol. The election version is the
revision of the browser protocol and is not related to the operating-system
version.
b.. If the election criteria of the browser is greater than the election
criteria of the sender, the browser wins. If not, the browser uses the next
election criterion.
c.. If the browser has been running longer than the sender, the browser
wins. If not, the browser uses the next election criterion.
d.. If none of the criteria above have determined the election, then the
server with the lexically (alphabetically, including numbers and symbols)
lowest name wins. For example, a server named "A" will become master browser
over a server named "X." "
So an XP (pro or home) box beats a Win2k (pro or server) box that's been up
longer? In this case I have some Win2k machines that stay in the office. We
have folks that come in with XP laptops and hook in.

Is the "election version" different on all OSs?

Will shutting down the browser service on the Win XP box allow the Win2k box
to be master browser?


"Herb Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > If it is just that a laptop was chosen master browser for a
>> > random subnet then that is normal as any machine CAN be
>> > master browser but the highest ranking machine SHOULD
>> > win.
>>
>> Yes, but the Master Browser that has been on the subnet longest should
>> win
>> the election.
>
> No, that is incorrect. In general, the highest 'ranking' machine
> will win.
>
> The "longest booted" is however one of the tie-breakers.
> But that is down near the end of the checks right before
> "alphabetical".
>
> What OS & version (role would be important if you had a
> domain) are the two machines running (exactly)?
>
> Are both machines listed in the same WORKGROUP (since
> you have no domain)?
>
> Each workgroup is supposed to have a (different) Master
> Browser.
>
> You can always search for Google for:
>
> [ MaintainServerList registry "master browser" site:microsoft.com ]
>
> ...this will get you the KB article for disabling master browser on the
> laptop but you may have no actual problem here.
>
> And also articles for the full criteria on winning a browser election:
>
>
> It is also (slightly) possible that you have a broadcast
> problem with your hub. Although this should be unlikely,
> I have recently heard of enough of these reports to suggest
> that crappy hub hardware or network cables are more of
> a concern than should be expected.
>
> From your other message:
>> After this machine elects itself Master Browser, it can't find any
> machines
>> on subnet by name, but can ping them. It seems to think it's on it's own
>> subnet.
>
> This system is consistent with it having a DIFFERENT
> WORKGROUP name.
>
> Especially if the other machines can still find each other.
>
> --
> Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
> Accelerated MCSE
> http://www.LearnQuick.Com
> [phone number on web site]
>
> "s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:Wz5me.347$(E-Mail Removed). ..
>>
>> "Herb Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:%23$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > "s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> > news:FE2me.144$(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> >> Little 20 seat network runs ok.
>> >> One laptop insists that it's the master browser.
>> >> It's getting an IP via DHCP from the Linksys router, but it's not
> finding
>> >> the existing master browser on the net when it logs in.
>> >>
>> >> DNS or NetBios weirdness?
>> >
>> > NetBIOS -- Browsing is a NetBIOS application.
>> >
>> > You didn't describe any weirdness, one of of you
>> > machines is supposed to insist on being master browser
>> > for each subnet, so we must presume that you mean
>> > something like "one laptop insists on being ANOTHER
>> > master browser" or "one laptop insists on being DOMAIN
>> > master browser instead of the PDC Emulator."
>> >
>> > What's weird?
>>
>> What's weird is that there is already a master browser elected on the
>> subnet...
>>
>> Then this laptop boots up, acquires an IP, and believes it is the master
>> browser.
>>
>> > If it is that you don't have a Domain Master Browser on this
>> > same subnet it might be due to disabling NetBIOS on the
>> > PDC Emulator.
>>
>> No PDC no BDC. One Subnet.
>>
>> > If it is just that a laptop was chosen master browser for a
>> > random subnet then that is normal as any machine CAN be
>> > master browser but the highest ranking machine SHOULD
>> > win.
>>
>> Yes, but the Master Browser that has been on the subnet longest should
>> win
>> the election.
>>
>> >> Can ping IPs on the net just fine.
>> >
>> > How many subnet nets do you have? You will have a
>> > practical need for WINS server if you have more than one
>> > subnet.
>>
>> This is a single subnet. Simple Linksys 4 port hub with no domain.
>>
>> Skip
>> MCP
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
>> > Accelerated MCSE
>> > http://www.LearnQuick.Com
>> > [phone number on web site]
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Yes, stopping the computer browser service on a machine will prevent it
forcing a browser election.

But as Herb pointed out, it will not be able to browse the LAN if it is
not in the same workgroup as the LAN machines. You can only see other
workgroups if there is a Domain Master Browser. And only a PDC (or the W2k
equivalent) can be a DMB.

s wrote:
> Ahhhhaa.
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d...i_brs_ECEA.asp
> "The following criteria determine whether or not a browser has won an
> election:
>
> a.. If the election version of the browser is greater than the
> election version of the sender, the browser wins. If not, the browser
> uses the next election criterion. The election version is a constant
> value that identifies the version of the browser-election protocol.
> The election version is the revision of the browser protocol and is
> not related to the operating-system version.
> b.. If the election criteria of the browser is greater than the
> election criteria of the sender, the browser wins. If not, the
> browser uses the next election criterion.
> c.. If the browser has been running longer than the sender, the
> browser wins. If not, the browser uses the next election criterion.
> d.. If none of the criteria above have determined the election, then
> the server with the lexically (alphabetically, including numbers and
> symbols) lowest name wins. For example, a server named "A" will
> become master browser over a server named "X." "
> So an XP (pro or home) box beats a Win2k (pro or server) box that's
> been up longer? In this case I have some Win2k machines that stay in
> the office. We have folks that come in with XP laptops and hook in.
>
> Is the "election version" different on all OSs?
>
> Will shutting down the browser service on the Win XP box allow the
> Win2k box to be master browser?
>
>
> "Herb Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> If it is just that a laptop was chosen master browser for a
>>>> random subnet then that is normal as any machine CAN be
>>>> master browser but the highest ranking machine SHOULD
>>>> win.
>>>
>>> Yes, but the Master Browser that has been on the subnet longest
>>> should win
>>> the election.
>>
>> No, that is incorrect. In general, the highest 'ranking' machine
>> will win.
>>
>> The "longest booted" is however one of the tie-breakers.
>> But that is down near the end of the checks right before
>> "alphabetical".
>>
>> What OS & version (role would be important if you had a
>> domain) are the two machines running (exactly)?
>>
>> Are both machines listed in the same WORKGROUP (since
>> you have no domain)?
>>
>> Each workgroup is supposed to have a (different) Master
>> Browser.
>>
>> You can always search for Google for:
>>
>> [ MaintainServerList registry "master browser" site:microsoft.com
>> ] ...this will get you the KB article for disabling master browser on
>> the laptop but you may have no actual problem here.
>>
>> And also articles for the full criteria on winning a browser
>> election: It is also (slightly) possible that you have a broadcast
>> problem with your hub. Although this should be unlikely,
>> I have recently heard of enough of these reports to suggest
>> that crappy hub hardware or network cables are more of
>> a concern than should be expected.
>>
>> From your other message:
>>> After this machine elects itself Master Browser, it can't find any
>>> machines on subnet by name, but can ping them. It seems to think
>>> it's on it's own subnet.
>>
>> This system is consistent with it having a DIFFERENT
>> WORKGROUP name.
>>
>> Especially if the other machines can still find each other.
>>
>> --
>> Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
>> Accelerated MCSE
>> http://www.LearnQuick.Com
>> [phone number on web site]
>>
>> "s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:Wz5me.347$(E-Mail Removed). ..
>>>
>>> "Herb Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:%23$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> "s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:FE2me.144$(E-Mail Removed).. .
>>>>> Little 20 seat network runs ok.
>>>>> One laptop insists that it's the master browser.
>>>>> It's getting an IP via DHCP from the Linksys router, but it's not
>>>>> finding the existing master browser on the net when it logs in.
>>>>>
>>>>> DNS or NetBios weirdness?
>>>>
>>>> NetBIOS -- Browsing is a NetBIOS application.
>>>>
>>>> You didn't describe any weirdness, one of of you
>>>> machines is supposed to insist on being master browser
>>>> for each subnet, so we must presume that you mean
>>>> something like "one laptop insists on being ANOTHER
>>>> master browser" or "one laptop insists on being DOMAIN
>>>> master browser instead of the PDC Emulator."
>>>>
>>>> What's weird?
>>>
>>> What's weird is that there is already a master browser elected on
>>> the subnet...
>>>
>>> Then this laptop boots up, acquires an IP, and believes it is the
>>> master browser.
>>>
>>>> If it is that you don't have a Domain Master Browser on this
>>>> same subnet it might be due to disabling NetBIOS on the
>>>> PDC Emulator.
>>>
>>> No PDC no BDC. One Subnet.
>>>
>>>> If it is just that a laptop was chosen master browser for a
>>>> random subnet then that is normal as any machine CAN be
>>>> master browser but the highest ranking machine SHOULD
>>>> win.
>>>
>>> Yes, but the Master Browser that has been on the subnet longest
>>> should win
>>> the election.
>>>
>>>>> Can ping IPs on the net just fine.
>>>>
>>>> How many subnet nets do you have? You will have a
>>>> practical need for WINS server if you have more than one
>>>> subnet.
>>>
>>> This is a single subnet. Simple Linksys 4 port hub with no domain.
>>>
>>> Skip
>>> MCP
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
>>>> Accelerated MCSE
>>>> http://www.LearnQuick.Com
>>>> [phone number on web site]

"s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
newsL7me.564$(E-Mail Removed). ..
> Ahhhhaa.
>
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d...i_brs_ECEA.asp
> "The following criteria determine whether or not a browser has won an
> election:

This article is a SLIGHTLY dated (2000 ignores XP and Win2003) but
correct in principle -- it is also explained in "text" whereas the actual
algorythm is a binary anding of the machines "rank etc." and then
a comparison.

> a.. If the election version of the browser is greater than the election
[...]
> b.. If the election criteria of the browser is greater than the election
[...]
> c.. If the browser has been running longer than the sender, the browser
[...]
> d.. If none of the criteria above have determined the election, then the
[...]

> So an XP (pro or home) box beats a Win2k (pro or server) box that's been
up
> longer?

Possibly... that fits the general criteria but I would have to check
the binary version to be sure. Since servers tend to outrank
worstations, perhaps Pro (even 2000) outranks Home...???

> In this case I have some Win2k machines that stay in the office. We
> have folks that come in with XP laptops and hook in.

And this is the primary reason for being able to defeat
"MaintainServerList",
but be award that they may NEED to be master browser when they arrive
home.

> Is the "election version" different on all OSs?

Pretty much -- there are several other major criteria and
serveral minor.


> Will shutting down the browser service on the Win XP box allow the Win2k
box
> to be master browser?

Probably a poor idea since the Computer Browser service
is both for the Master Browser and for BROWSING (finding
and registering such information even when not a browser.)

Use MaintainServerList or perhaps (with caution) consider:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\
Services\Browser\Parameters\IsDomainMaster = TRUE

If you set IsDomainMaster on a workgroup server it will be
the "Preferred Master Browser" but if you ever install another
computer there as a PDC (or emulator) AND using the same
domain/workgroup name then you will interfere.

The danger is that you will one day upgrade or install a domain
for your 'workgroup' name and use a different machine during
DCPromo -- and forget you did the IsDomainMaster



NBLookup.exe command-line tool

<http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;830578>

Includes NetBIOS name codes





How Computer Browser Service Works

<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...3/library/Tech
Ref/43dce7f8-0741-4672-a7e3-762671110e9f.mspx>



Names Registered with WINS (XP version)

<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314104/EN-US/>

Names Registered with WINS Service

<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q119495/>



Computer Browser and Browsing Roles

<http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d...ll/reskit/en-u
s/prcf_omn_mzox.asp?frame=true>



Browstat Syntax

<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...3/library/Tech
Ref/bd65dbda-55a5-4c2c-bcc5-9d9cd281d57c.mspx>



Troubleshooting the Microsoft Computer Browser Service

<http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305> (good info on browstat.exe)


NetBIOS Suffixes (16th Character of the NetBIOS Name)

--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]




> "Herb Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > If it is just that a laptop was chosen master browser for a
> >> > random subnet then that is normal as any machine CAN be
> >> > master browser but the highest ranking machine SHOULD
> >> > win.
> >>
> >> Yes, but the Master Browser that has been on the subnet longest should
> >> win
> >> the election.
> >
> > No, that is incorrect. In general, the highest 'ranking' machine
> > will win.
> >
> > The "longest booted" is however one of the tie-breakers.
> > But that is down near the end of the checks right before
> > "alphabetical".
> >
> > What OS & version (role would be important if you had a
> > domain) are the two machines running (exactly)?
> >
> > Are both machines listed in the same WORKGROUP (since
> > you have no domain)?
> >
> > Each workgroup is supposed to have a (different) Master
> > Browser.
> >
> > You can always search for Google for:
> >
> > [ MaintainServerList registry "master browser" site:microsoft.com ]
> >
> > ...this will get you the KB article for disabling master browser on the
> > laptop but you may have no actual problem here.
> >
> > And also articles for the full criteria on winning a browser election:
> >
> >
> > It is also (slightly) possible that you have a broadcast
> > problem with your hub. Although this should be unlikely,
> > I have recently heard of enough of these reports to suggest
> > that crappy hub hardware or network cables are more of
> > a concern than should be expected.
> >
> > From your other message:
> >> After this machine elects itself Master Browser, it can't find any
> > machines
> >> on subnet by name, but can ping them. It seems to think it's on it's
own
> >> subnet.
> >
> > This system is consistent with it having a DIFFERENT
> > WORKGROUP name.
> >
> > Especially if the other machines can still find each other.
> >
> > --
> > Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
> > Accelerated MCSE
> > http://www.LearnQuick.Com
> > [phone number on web site]
> >
> > "s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:Wz5me.347$(E-Mail Removed). ..
> >>
> >> "Herb Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:%23$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > "s" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> > news:FE2me.144$(E-Mail Removed).. .
> >> >> Little 20 seat network runs ok.
> >> >> One laptop insists that it's the master browser.
> >> >> It's getting an IP via DHCP from the Linksys router, but it's not
> > finding
> >> >> the existing master browser on the net when it logs in.
> >> >>
> >> >> DNS or NetBios weirdness?
> >> >
> >> > NetBIOS -- Browsing is a NetBIOS application.
> >> >
> >> > You didn't describe any weirdness, one of of you
> >> > machines is supposed to insist on being master browser
> >> > for each subnet, so we must presume that you mean
> >> > something like "one laptop insists on being ANOTHER
> >> > master browser" or "one laptop insists on being DOMAIN
> >> > master browser instead of the PDC Emulator."
> >> >
> >> > What's weird?
> >>
> >> What's weird is that there is already a master browser elected on the
> >> subnet...
> >>
> >> Then this laptop boots up, acquires an IP, and believes it is the
master
> >> browser.
> >>
> >> > If it is that you don't have a Domain Master Browser on this
> >> > same subnet it might be due to disabling NetBIOS on the
> >> > PDC Emulator.
> >>
> >> No PDC no BDC. One Subnet.
> >>
> >> > If it is just that a laptop was chosen master browser for a
> >> > random subnet then that is normal as any machine CAN be
> >> > master browser but the highest ranking machine SHOULD
> >> > win.
> >>
> >> Yes, but the Master Browser that has been on the subnet longest should
> >> win
> >> the election.
> >>
> >> >> Can ping IPs on the net just fine.
> >> >
> >> > How many subnet nets do you have? You will have a
> >> > practical need for WINS server if you have more than one
> >> > subnet.
> >>
> >> This is a single subnet. Simple Linksys 4 port hub with no domain.
> >>
> >> Skip
> >> MCP
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
> >> > Accelerated MCSE
> >> > http://www.LearnQuick.Com
> >> > [phone number on web site]
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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