OTish: NTL dial-up groups? Problem with game server

Sorry about the OT post, but do any NLT users know if there are any NTL
dial-up forums? The usenet groups seem to be dead.

In case anyone here can help:

My son is trying to contact a game server, the IP is 85.133.16.62 on
port 2234. We have tried pinging it, but even with the firewall turned
off, it doesn't work.

Other users can reach it OK. Is this something to do with NTL's system?



Incidentally, "Brian" (or should that be "Brain") @ NTL support said:

"We can ping the game server without problem. Even though your firewall
is disabled it may still be in memory and inadvertantly [sic] blocking
ports. Try completely un-installing it."

Yeah, good idea, and perhaps I'll turn off my virus scanner as well!


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Nigel M wrote:
> Sorry about the OT post, but do any NLT users know if there are any NTL
> dial-up forums? The usenet groups seem to be dead.
>
> In case anyone here can help:
>
> My son is trying to contact a game server, the IP is 85.133.16.62 on
> port 2234. We have tried pinging it, but even with the firewall turned
> off, it doesn't work.

And what about a trace route to the address - what happens?

In uk.telecom.broadband, Wireless Reader wrote:

>And what about a trace route to the address - what happens?

It works.


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In uk.telecom.broadband, Wireless Reader wrote:

>>And what about a trace route to the address - what happens?

In uk.telecom.broadband, Nigel M wrote:

>It works.

My reply here was misleading! I meant an *external* traceroute worked.
If I can't ping it, I don't think traceroute would work either. I've
since found that I can ping the server OK if I dial up with another ISP,
same modem, same PC.

Strangely, NTL "support" have asked me to give them my IP address by
using ipconfig. Here is the email I sent them, slightly snipped:

"Well, my IP address as shown by ipconfig is 192.168.0.1 so that doesn't
help much. However, my IP address to the Internet is 217.137.54.3 at the
moment (given by http://www.whatismyip.com/)

I'm not sure what traceroute is supposed to show, if I can't ping the
host, how would traceroute work?

Traceroute results:

C:\tracert 85.133.16.62

Tracing route to gwrbc2b02.rxtxtech.net [85.133.16.62] over a maximum of
30 hops:

1 * * * Request timed out.
[snip]
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 * ^C
[at this point I cancelled with control C]


However, using the traceroute from http://www.nildram.net/traceroute.cgi
the results were:

Result for 85.133.16.62:
traceroute to 85.133.16.62 (85.133.16.62), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 lon1-9 (195.149.20.130) 0.321 ms 0.327 ms 0.250 ms
2 GigabitEthernet5-0.linx1.lon1.level3.net (195.66.224.77) 0.320 ms
0.192 ms 0.161 ms

It think this proves my point. Nildram (for example) can reach the host
but I can't, unless I dial up via another ISP."


Assuming that NTL support still say it is my problem, can anyone make a
suggestion (other than move to another ISP - I'm doing that on 28th of
this month, when I *finally* get broadband).



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Nigel M

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On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 08:39:38 GMT, Nigel M <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I'm not sure what traceroute is supposed to show, if I can't ping the
>host, how would traceroute work?

Many machines are now configured for security reasons to reject pings
from the WAN side, so a ping may fail - eg www.microsoft.com won't
respond any more.

Tracert however will work because it just tries to connect to each
machine in the route, not open a port.

>C:\tracert 85.133.16.62
>
>Tracing route to gwrbc2b02.rxtxtech.net [85.133.16.62] over a maximum of
>30 hops:
>
> 1 * * * Request timed out.

Your router is blocking tracert. At least you should get a response
from your router as shown below (the first response is from my
router).

Tracing route to gwrbc2b02.rxtxtech.net [85.133.16.62]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms mmrouter1 [192.168.x.x]
(snip)
14 19 ms 17 ms 20 ms 82.211.95.242
15 18 ms 19 ms 19 ms gwrbc2b02.rxtxtech.net [85.133.16.62]


>Assuming that NTL support still say it is my problem, can anyone make a
>suggestion

I'm assuming you have a router, since you said your IP was a
192.168.x.x one. This is a nonroutable intranet address, and normally
means you have a router which is converting this to an internet
addressable IP. if you don't have a router, then it looks like your
machine maybe an internet gateway (using ICS?) and you don't have
routing tables set up between the internal and interner addresses.

In uk.telecom.broadband, Mark McIntyre wrote:

>if you don't have a router, then it looks like your
>machine maybe an internet gateway

Yes, a D-Link DP-602 Internet Server.

However, the point is that even if I dial up directly with a modem, I
can't ping the host from NTL, but if I use a different ISP then I can.


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Nigel M

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but he's a lousy beautician"

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:37:49 GMT, Nigel M <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>In uk.telecom.broadband, Mark McIntyre wrote:
>
>>if you don't have a router, then it looks like your
>>machine maybe an internet gateway
>
>Yes, a D-Link DP-602 Internet Server.
>
>However, the point is that even if I dial up directly with a modem, I
>can't ping the host from NTL, but if I use a different ISP then I can.

When you dial up directly, whats your PC's IP address?

ntl dialup and broadband run on completely different infrastructure,
so if you have the problem for both services, its very likely a local
config problem. Do you have a f/w installed, if so is it allowing
pings in and out on both the dialup and bb interfaces?

In uk.telecom.broadband, Mark McIntyre wrote:

>When you dial up directly, whats your PC's IP address?

I guess it would be the same with NTL, and different with another ISP!

>ntl dialup and broadband run on completely different infrastructure,
>so if you have the problem for both services...

Sorry, I didn't make it clear, this is a dial-up problem. I don't have
BB, but I know a lot of NTL customers use this group.


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Nigel M

"Time may be a great healer,
but he's a lousy beautician"

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:33:44 GMT, Nigel M <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>In uk.telecom.broadband, Mark McIntyre wrote:
>
>>ntl dialup and broadband run on completely different infrastructure,
>>so if you have the problem for both services...
>
>Sorry, I didn't make it clear, this is a dial-up problem.

Ah, that wasn't clear. This is not the right place to ask. You really
do need to post to a dialup group, where they're familiar with the
problems of dialup. NTL's dialup service is totally different to its
broadband, and anyone using NTL here is unlikely to be very much help.

>I don't have BB, but I know a lot of NTL customers use this group.

Yes, and I'm sure many people with microwave ovens also use this
group. I'm not posting questions about them tho. If you get my drift.

In uk.telecom.broadband, Mark McIntyre wrote:

>Ah, that wasn't clear. This is not the right place to ask. You really
>do need to post to a dialup group

There aren't any!

>I'm sure many people with microwave ovens also use this group

If I'd wanted a prat, I would have ordered one.


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Nigel M

"Time may be a great healer,
but he's a lousy beautician"