OT: Mailwasher bouncing

Anyone here use MailWasher 2.0 please?

I've had no reply yet from my email to MW Support about the following
problem. It has been directly responsible twice in last couple of
months for screwing up my access to a couple of specialist Yahoo
Groups (and their email lists). My account was automatically cancelled
due to inadvertent bouncing back to Yahoo. So I'm rather anxious to
sort it. (Could be simply a matter of my not using MW correctly.)

I have found two places where bouncing options appear:

1) Tools>Options>Blacklist & friends lists>Options: Mark blacklisted
messages for Bouncing (which I have unchecked).

2) Tools>Options>Filters: Then, for each Filter, the Modify button
includes the option: 'Mark for bounce' (which I have unchecked).

Yet, as I said, I *still* get a lot of messages marked for bouncing.

Assuming this is a bug (MW 2.0 is after all still called a beta),
another route is to upgrade to MW Pro. But when I tried that yesterday
I was dismayed to find it apparently required me to start cold,
instead of picking up all my previous settings accumulaterd over the
last year or so.

Appreciate this is way OT. Apart from the Forte Agent and Demon
Service groups, I've found no other sources of expertise on MW.

--
Terry, West Sussex, UK

>SNIP<
>
> Yet, as I said, I *still* get a lot of messages marked for bouncing.
>

Mailwasher also uses on-line databases for detecting spam - SpamCop, ORDB
etc. There is a setting in Mailwasher to disable this service,. (the default
is "on") Try disabling these - mind you, if you do, a lot more spam will get
through.

Best solution is to put the Yahoo Groups addresses in your "friends" list

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Terry Pinnell <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Anyone here use MailWasher 2.0 please?
>
> I've had no reply yet from my email to MW Support about the following
> problem. It has been directly responsible twice in last couple of
> months for screwing up my access to a couple of specialist Yahoo
> Groups (and their email lists). My account was automatically cancelled
> due to inadvertent bouncing back to Yahoo. So I'm rather anxious to
> sort it. (Could be simply a matter of my not using MW correctly.)
>
> I have found two places where bouncing options appear:
>
> 1) Tools>Options>Blacklist & friends lists>Options: Mark blacklisted
> messages for Bouncing (which I have unchecked).
>
> 2) Tools>Options>Filters: Then, for each Filter, the Modify button
> includes the option: 'Mark for bounce' (which I have unchecked).
>
> Yet, as I said, I *still* get a lot of messages marked for bouncing.
>
> Assuming this is a bug (MW 2.0 is after all still called a beta),
> another route is to upgrade to MW Pro. But when I tried that yesterday
> I was dismayed to find it apparently required me to start cold,
> instead of picking up all my previous settings accumulaterd over the
> last year or so.
>
> Appreciate this is way OT. Apart from the Forte Agent and Demon
> Service groups, I've found no other sources of expertise on MW.

I also use Mailwasher 2.0 - and don't seem to get these problems.

In Tools/Options, what have you got selected in the top section (Heuristic
Strength)? Mine is set to Careful. Maybe yours is set to Strong - which will
cause more bouncing.

In your filters, do you display the headers of filtered messages before
zapping them, or have you opted not to display them. If you *do* display
them, you will see which ones have the Bounce column checked, and will be
able to uncheck it on a message by message basis. It would be worth doing
this in the short term at any rate until you have found the appropriate
settings which meet your needs.
--
Cheers,
Tim
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Hi I use Mailwasher to check multiple accounts & no longer use the 'bounce'
facility after reading some articles which suggest it's a waste of time
bouncing spam and only confirms to some spammers that your address is
active, it also increases the load on mail servers by sending even more
unwanted email. Any spam now is just deleted and the sender blacklisted.
Go to the accounts section in Mailwasher and disable 'bouncing' from the
account which you use for your Yahoo Groups.
You can also set up a filter to help verify mail from Yahoo Groups as
legitimate ---when you get a message from your club, the 'to' line in
messages from Yahoo Groups is the name of the group to which you are
subscribed, so create a filter with the rules stating that if the 'to' line
contains (E-Mail Removed) ( xxxxxx = the name of your group) then
the mail is legitimate, you can also select to override the black list.

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
(E-Mail Removed) says...

> Yet, as I said, I *still* get a lot of messages marked for bouncing.

If you don't put an outgoing mail server in your account settings, it
won't allow you to set things to bounce.

--
The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

Terry Pinnell wrote:

> Anyone here use MailWasher 2.0 please?
>
> I've had no reply yet from my email to MW Support about the following
> problem. It has been directly responsible twice in last couple of
> months for screwing up my access to a couple of specialist Yahoo
> Groups (and their email lists). My account was automatically cancelled
> due to inadvertent bouncing back to Yahoo. So I'm rather anxious to
> sort it. (Could be simply a matter of my not using MW correctly.)
>
> I have found two places where bouncing options appear:
>
> 1) Tools>Options>Blacklist & friends lists>Options: Mark blacklisted
> messages for Bouncing (which I have unchecked).
>
> 2) Tools>Options>Filters: Then, for each Filter, the Modify button
> includes the option: 'Mark for bounce' (which I have unchecked).
>
> Yet, as I said, I still get a lot of messages marked for bouncing.
>
> Assuming this is a bug (MW 2.0 is after all still called a beta),
> another route is to upgrade to MW Pro. But when I tried that yesterday
> I was dismayed to find it apparently required me to start cold,
> instead of picking up all my previous settings accumulaterd over the
> last year or so.
>
> Appreciate this is way OT. Apart from the Forte Agent and Demon
> Service groups, I've found no other sources of expertise on MW.


Don't know about MW 2.0 but I'm using MW Pro 4.0 and bounce can be
enabled or disable in Tools>Accounts>Properties>Bouncing and Outgoing
Mail.

HTH

--
Paul-B

Reply to address is spam-trap. Use paul at streetka dot biz if you
really must!

Hi Terry,

My Spam grew from 10 a day to about 20 an hour when I was using Mailwasher.
I was bouncing them all back and have since read in a few reports that the
headers used to bounce back can tell the spammers that it has came from a
live account.
I don't know how true that is but since I have stopped using it and started
using popfile it has decreased to under 10 a day.
I find popfile excellent. It doesn't wash the mail from the server but tags
all spam and you can divert it into a spam folder. Mine is sitting at 99.54%
accuracy just now.

cheers
Steven.

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:29:14 GMT, john <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Hi I use Mailwasher to check multiple accounts & no longer use the 'bounce'
> facility after reading some articles which suggest it's a waste of time
> bouncing spam and only confirms to some spammers that your address is
> active, it also increases the load on mail servers by sending even more
> unwanted email.

More to the point, given that in almost every case "mail from"
(and less importantly "From") addresses used in the transmission of
Unsolicited Bulk Email are forged without the legitimate address
owners' knowledge, authorisation or permission, "bouncing" spam
almost invariably leads to such bounce messages being sent to entirely
uninvolved recipients.

Although the use of such "spam bouncing" functionality within spam
filtering software is not currently in breach of the Acceptable
Use Policy at this site (and most others), that may change at some
point in the future as it seems incontestable that the use of such
functionality is in and of itself abusive, as explained above.

--
Anthony Edwards * (E-Mail Removed)
Abuse Team Manager * Tel: 0800 053 0588
Easynet Ltd * DDI: 0161 227 0707
http://www.uk.easynet.net * Fax: 0845 333 4503

"john" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Hi I use Mailwasher to check multiple accounts & no longer use the 'bounce'
>facility after reading some articles which suggest it's a waste of time
>bouncing spam and only confirms to some spammers that your address is
>active, it also increases the load on mail servers by sending even more
>unwanted email. Any spam now is just deleted and the sender blacklisted.
>Go to the accounts section in Mailwasher and disable 'bouncing' from the
>account which you use for your Yahoo Groups.
>You can also set up a filter to help verify mail from Yahoo Groups as
>legitimate ---when you get a message from your club, the 'to' line in
>messages from Yahoo Groups is the name of the group to which you are
>subscribed, so create a filter with the rules stating that if the 'to' line
>contains (E-Mail Removed) ( xxxxxx = the name of your group) then
>the mail is legitimate, you can also select to override the black list.

Thanks. That setting 'Enable bouncing of messages from this account'
is already unchecked. I did have a filter like that, but I'll
re-examine it as it plainly didn't catch everything.

--
Terry, West Sussex, UK

MeatballTurbo <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
>(E-Mail Removed) says...
>
>> Yet, as I said, I *still* get a lot of messages marked for bouncing.
>
>If you don't put an outgoing mail server in your account settings, it
>won't allow you to set things to bounce.

Thanks, but I don't have any outgoing mail server specified.

--
Terry, West Sussex, UK