OT - Legality of recording TV to timeshift.

Is this actually spelled out in legislation?

Ian Stirling <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Is this actually spelled out in legislation?

I have the impression that legislation tends to spell out illegalities
(legalities go by default), except for cases where the legislation is
revoking earlier legislation.

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"Ian Stirling" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Is this actually spelled out in legislation?


Of course you understand that our legal system is comprised of "Case Law",
(the Judges make it up as they go along).

If a broadcaster did try and take you to Court however I don't think he
would have a proverbial to stand on.
In defence you would ask him, if you weren't encouraging people to record
programmes,
Why do (did) you supply EPG data for Sky Plus (& TiVo)?
& Provide PDC signals?

Graham.

Ian Stirling wrote:

> Is this actually spelled out in legislation?

It is legal to record for time-shifting purposes, up to a maximum time of 90
days.

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"nsj" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Ian Stirling wrote:
>
> > Is this actually spelled out in legislation?
>
> It is legal to record for time-shifting purposes, up to a maximum time of
90
> days.
>
> --

90 days from when?

Is my recording of the 1953 Coronation illegal? (recorded say 60 days ago).

Is it ok to record old repeats?

Dave

nsj <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Ian Stirling wrote:
>
>> Is this actually spelled out in legislation?
>
> It is legal to record for time-shifting purposes, up to a maximum time of 90
> days.

Can you point me at an actual act of parliment, or other law that says
this?

"Ian Stirling" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> nsj <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > Ian Stirling wrote:
> >
> >> Is this actually spelled out in legislation?
> >
> > It is legal to record for time-shifting purposes, up to a maximum time
of 90
> > days.
>
> Can you point me at an actual act of parliment, or other law that says
> this?

Can you not use Google then?

"70. The making for private and domestic use of a recording of a
broadcast or cable programme solely for the purpose of enabling it to be
viewed or listened to at a more convenient time does not infringe any
copyright in the broadcast or cable programme or in any work included in
it."

Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988

http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1988...80048_en_1.htm

Alastair <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> "Ian Stirling" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:0ztnc.1202$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> nsj <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> > Ian Stirling wrote:
>> >
>> >> Is this actually spelled out in legislation?
>> >
>> > It is legal to record for time-shifting purposes, up to a maximum time
> of 90
>> > days.
>>
>> Can you point me at an actual act of parliment, or other law that says
>> this?
>
> Can you not use Google then?

I can use google, I was apparenly hitting the wrong keywords.
>
> "70. The making for private and domestic use of a recording of a
> broadcast or cable programme solely for the purpose of enabling it to be
> viewed or listened to at a more convenient time does not infringe any
> copyright in the broadcast or cable programme or in any work included in
> it."
>
> Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988
>
> http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1988...80048_en_1.htm
>
>
>
>
>

Alastair <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> "Ian Stirling" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:0ztnc.1202$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> nsj <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> > Ian Stirling wrote:
>> >
>> >> Is this actually spelled out in legislation?
>> >
>> > It is legal to record for time-shifting purposes, up to a maximum time
> of 90
>> > days.
>>
>> Can you point me at an actual act of parliment, or other law that says
>> this?
>
> Can you not use Google then?
>
> "70. The making for private and domestic use of a recording of a
> broadcast or cable programme solely for the purpose of enabling it to be
> viewed or listened to at a more convenient time does not infringe any
> copyright in the broadcast or cable programme or in any work included in
> it."

Interesting.
This would not seem to require you to own the recorder, or even to
pick the programs in advance.

It would seem easy to argue that there is nothing prohibiting the
setting up of a service that recorded programs for users, and let them
play them back later.

The hard part would be proving that users of this service had legitimate
access to the programs.

On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:06:19 +0000, Ian Stirling wrote:

> Alastair <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> "Ian Stirling" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:0ztnc.1202$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> nsj <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>> > Ian Stirling wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Is this actually spelled out in legislation?
>>> >
>>> > It is legal to record for time-shifting purposes, up to a maximum time
>> of 90
>>> > days.
>>>
>>> Can you point me at an actual act of parliment, or other law that says
>>> this?
>>
>> Can you not use Google then?
>>
>> "70. The making for private and domestic use of a recording of a
>> broadcast or cable programme solely for the purpose of enabling it to be
>> viewed or listened to at a more convenient time does not infringe any
>> copyright in the broadcast or cable programme or in any work included in
>> it."
>
> Interesting.
> This would not seem to require you to own the recorder, or even to
> pick the programs in advance.
>
> It would seem easy to argue that there is nothing prohibiting the
> setting up of a service that recorded programs for users, and let them
> play them back later.
>
> The hard part would be proving that users of this service had legitimate
> access to the programs.

What you are forgetting is that there is a shed load of more recent
legislation that updates this. You need to pick through about three
more Acts of Parliament and a dozen statutory instruments to get the
full picture.

JAB.

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