Orange broadband going to BT: Orange deal with BT stirs up fightfor broadband supremacy (Times)

From The Times April 16, 2010

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle7099128.ece

Orange deal with BT stirs up fight for broadband supremacy

Orange has opened up a new front in the fight for broadband customers
after abandoning its fixed-line network and cutting a deal with BT to
offer better high-speed internet.

BT will take over Orange’s fixed-line infrastructure and integrate it
into its network, which should vastly improve the experience for
Orange’s 840,000 broadband customers

"Allan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> From The Times April 16, 2010
>
> http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle7099128.ece
>
> Orange deal with BT stirs up fight for broadband supremacy
>
> Orange has opened up a new front in the fight for broadband customers
> after abandoning its fixed-line network and cutting a deal with BT to
> offer better high-speed internet.
>
> BT will take over Orange’s fixed-line infrastructure and integrate it into
> its network, which should vastly improve the experience for Orange’s
> 840,000 broadband customers


I noted this last para.
"The decision to pass its network to BT mirrors a similarly dramatic move
last year by Kingston Communications, the Hull-based fixed-line telecoms
company now trading as KCOM. It handed over its network to BT and signed a
wholesale deal to get national coverage and reduce its costs substantially.
"
I have read here in the past that people in Hull could only have BB with the
Hull company does this mean they now have same choices/prices as rest of us?
I have always felt sorry for those living in Hull.
Regards
David

On 16/04/2010 10:03, Allan wrote:
> From The Times April 16, 2010
>
> http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle7099128.ece
>
>
> Orange deal with BT stirs up fight for broadband supremacy
>
> Orange has opened up a new front in the fight for broadband customers
> after abandoning its fixed-line network and cutting a deal with BT to
> offer better high-speed internet.
>
> BT will take over Orange’s fixed-line infrastructure and integrate it
> into its network, which should vastly improve the experience for
> Orange’s 840,000 broadband customers

Bugger! I've just moved from a BT landline to Orange to get away from
BT's endless sales calls and from TalkTalk (who took over Freedom2Surf)
to Orange broadband, just to get away from TalkTalk.

I'm saving money but I'm now stuck for another 16 months.

Another Dave

On 16/04/2010 17:18, Another Dave wrote:
> On 16/04/2010 10:03, Allan wrote:
>> From The Times April 16, 2010
>>
>> http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle7099128.ece
>>
>>
>>
>> Orange deal with BT stirs up fight for broadband supremacy
>>
>> Orange has opened up a new front in the fight for broadband customers
>> after abandoning its fixed-line network and cutting a deal with BT to
>> offer better high-speed internet.
>>
>> BT will take over Orange’s fixed-line infrastructure and integrate it
>> into its network, which should vastly improve the experience for
>> Orange’s 840,000 broadband customers
>
> Bugger! I've just moved from a BT landline to Orange to get away from
> BT's endless sales calls and from TalkTalk (who took over Freedom2Surf)
> to Orange broadband, just to get away from TalkTalk.
>
> I'm saving money but I'm now stuck for another 16 months.
>
> Another Dave
>
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you need to worry.
As I read it, Orange will just come into line with many other ISPs and
use BT's *network* and will stop trying to compete with BT technically.
This will be run on a contract basis between Orange and BT, and
transparent to the customer, so you'll still have an Orange phone and
Broadband service, and pay your bills to Orange. It will just mean that
your calls and broadband traffic will be routed over BT's equipment and
network, which Orange admit is more up to the job than theirs. You may
see an improvement in your service!

George

George Weston wrote:
> On 16/04/2010 17:18, Another Dave wrote:
>> On 16/04/2010 10:03, Allan wrote:
>>> From The Times April 16, 2010
>>>
>>> http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle7099128.ece
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Orange deal with BT stirs up fight for broadband supremacy
>>>
>>> Orange has opened up a new front in the fight for broadband customers
>>> after abandoning its fixed-line network and cutting a deal with BT to
>>> offer better high-speed internet.
>>>
>>> BT will take over Orange’s fixed-line infrastructure and integrate it
>>> into its network, which should vastly improve the experience for
>>> Orange’s 840,000 broadband customers
>>
>> Bugger! I've just moved from a BT landline to Orange to get away from
>> BT's endless sales calls and from TalkTalk (who took over Freedom2Surf)
>> to Orange broadband, just to get away from TalkTalk.
>>
>> I'm saving money but I'm now stuck for another 16 months.
>>
>> Another Dave
>>
> Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you need to worry.
> As I read it, Orange will just come into line with many other ISPs and
> use BT's *network* and will stop trying to compete with BT technically.
> This will be run on a contract basis between Orange and BT, and
> transparent to the customer, so you'll still have an Orange phone and
> Broadband service, and pay your bills to Orange. It will just mean that
> your calls and broadband traffic will be routed over BT's equipment and
> network, which Orange admit is more up to the job than theirs. You may
> see an improvement in your service!
>
> George
I think its probably important to say Openreach when you mean 'BT
infrastructure' and 'BT retail' when you mean tossers in suits trying to
sell you crap, fobbing your support of to incomprehensible voice mail
systems and sub continental consonants and spending a fortune on Adam
and the Married Woman soap operas.

Openreach is a tight profitable little company, kept that way by OfCom.
BT Retail ought to be hung out to dry and sold off.

On 16/04/2010 19:15, Grimly Fiendish wrote:
> "Allan"<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> From The Times April 16, 2010
>>
>> http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle7099128.ece
>>
>> Orange deal with BT stirs up fight for broadband supremacy
>>
>> Orange has opened up a new front in the fight for broadband customers
>> after abandoning its fixed-line network and cutting a deal with BT to
>> offer better high-speed internet.
>>
>> BT will take over Orange’s fixed-line infrastructure and integrate it into
>> its network, which should vastly improve the experience for Orange’s
>> 840,000 broadband customers
>
> Really?
> Most people i know on BT says it's one of the most over priced and poorest
> services out. There was some thing in the news recently about BT giving the
> poorest broad band speeds per package than any one else, i believe some
> people on 10Mb or more were only getting a little over 1Mb. So here we have
> one of the cheapest broad band providers (due mainly to the input from
> advertising revenue as can be seen on there website pages and through what
> seems to be their sellling of your email addresses to certain marketing
> companies) but who provide a fairy reasonable service apart from the spam
> involved, joining up with one of the most expensive but poorest service
> providers.
> I can't see anything good coming out of that other than a growing monopoly
> which could end up making every ones services poorer and/or more costly.
>
>
Someone else with the wrong end of the stick!
This does *NOT* refer to BT Retail (the crappy, infuriating and
expensive ISP) but BT Wholesale/Openreach (the network)

George

"George Weston" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On 16/04/2010 19:15, Grimly Fiendish wrote:
>> "Allan"<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> From The Times April 16, 2010
>>>
>>> http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle7099128.ece
>>>
>>> Orange deal with BT stirs up fight for broadband supremacy
>>>
>>> Orange has opened up a new front in the fight for broadband customers
>>> after abandoning its fixed-line network and cutting a deal with BT to
>>> offer better high-speed internet.
>>>
>>> BT will take over Orange’s fixed-line infrastructure and integrate it
>>> into
>>> its network, which should vastly improve the experience for Orange’s
>>> 840,000 broadband customers
>>
>> Really?
>> Most people i know on BT says it's one of the most over priced and
>> poorest
>> services out. There was some thing in the news recently about BT giving
>> the
>> poorest broad band speeds per package than any one else, i believe some
>> people on 10Mb or more were only getting a little over 1Mb. So here we
>> have
>> one of the cheapest broad band providers (due mainly to the input from
>> advertising revenue as can be seen on there website pages and through
>> what
>> seems to be their sellling of your email addresses to certain marketing
>> companies) but who provide a fairy reasonable service apart from the spam
>> involved, joining up with one of the most expensive but poorest service
>> providers.
>> I can't see anything good coming out of that other than a growing
>> monopoly
>> which could end up making every ones services poorer and/or more costly.
>>
>>
> Someone else with the wrong end of the stick!
> This does *NOT* refer to BT Retail (the crappy, infuriating and expensive
> ISP) but BT Wholesale/Openreach (the network)
>
> George

Ahh, i think i get it now, you mean that the o/p was regarding BT
Wholesale/Openreach (the network).

These things can get confusing!

"The Natural Philosopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> George Weston wrote:

(something)

Naughty, naughty, very naughty..................

On 16/04/10 10:03, Allan wrote:

> BT will take over Orange’s fixed-line infrastructure and integrate it
> into its network, which should vastly improve the experience for
> Orange’s 840,000 broadband customers

This is pretty embarrassing for a subsidiary of a national incumbent
telco like Orange. You would think surely France Telecom have the
necessary expertise to make this sort of stuff work. On the other hand,
perhaps we're the last country in Europe stuck on ADSL so they've given
up ;-)

Maybe they decided if BT are going to roll out FTTC, LLU is going to be
obsolete within a couple of years anyway so might as not waste the money
on it.

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"Martin Jay" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:15:45 +0100, "Grimly Fiendish"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Most people i know on BT says it's one of the most over priced and poorest
>>services out.
>
> They should stop whinging and vote with their feet... and wallet.
>
>>There was some thing in the news recently about BT giving the
>>poorest broad band speeds per package than any one else, i believe some
>>people on 10Mb or more were only getting a little over 1Mb.
>
> I wonder why it has more subscribers than any other UK Internet
> provider?
>
> See <http://www.ispreview.co.uk/review/top10.php> and
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Total_Broadband>.
>
>
I asked my friend Brian (who has trouble telling his PC from his
microwave oven) why he went for BT broadband, ignoring advise
from anyone. He said "cos it's BT, they're the best aren't they?"

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