Options to using SDSL?

If I want a 5Mb/s symmetrical uncontended connection to the Internet, what
wired options do I have apart from using multiple SDSL lines? Assuming I
have fibre access, what services are available from the likes of BT etc?

The local exchange is 21CN enabled and is just a few hundred metres away.
I'd also like to be able to carry voice traffic over the same fibre.

Thanks if anyone can share their knowledge with me.

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:55:38 -0000, "Mr Benn" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>If I want a 5Mb/s symmetrical uncontended connection to the Internet, what
>wired options do I have apart from using multiple SDSL lines? Assuming I
>have fibre access, what services are available from the likes of BT etc?
>
>The local exchange is 21CN enabled and is just a few hundred metres away.
>I'd also like to be able to carry voice traffic over the same fibre.
>
>Thanks if anyone can share their knowledge with me.


If you already have fibre then first speak to the retail supplier of
that service to see what they can do.

If it's Openreach fibre and you don't fancy the current retail CP,
then through the wonders of novation I believe you can switch to
another CP that can sell you an Ethernet-based service based on
something like WES10 (BICBW). From an installation charges point of
view, that may be cheaper than getting fibre installed from someone
else such as COLT, ntlTelewest Business, C&W, Global Crossing etc. But
then there's the rental issue, so shop around anyway.

If you have fibre, what service is it currently delivering?

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:09:55 GMT, Jono wrote:

>Mr Benn was thinking very hard :
>> If I want a 5Mb/s symmetrical uncontended connection to the Internet, what
>> wired options do I have apart from using multiple SDSL lines? Assuming I
>> have fibre access, what services are available from the likes of BT etc?
>>
>> The local exchange is 21CN enabled and is just a few hundred metres away. I'd
>> also like to be able to carry voice traffic over the same fibre.
>>
>> Thanks if anyone can share their knowledge with me.
>
>How about Ethernet?

You can get ethernet over fibre or copper. See
http://aa.nu/ethernet.html

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Mr Benn wrote:
> If I want a 5Mb/s symmetrical uncontended connection to the Internet, what
> wired options do I have apart from using multiple SDSL lines? Assuming I
> have fibre access, what services are available from the likes of BT etc?
>

In general you would buy this off an ISP who would use BT to carry a
private circuit, probably over fiber, possibly over Ethernet, and
probably give you either G703 (?) or Ethernet presentation to your
boundary router.

IIRC last time I asked, it was about 12k p.a. for a 2Mbps link, so maybe
15k these days, plus installation.

> The local exchange is 21CN enabled and is just a few hundred metres away.
> I'd also like to be able to carry voice traffic over the same fibre.
>

Pretty sure that this will be a private circuit and independent of any
exchange..though BT MIGHT deliver it down SDSL if the wires are there
and the distance is short.

Contact the major business ISPs like e.g Claranet for a quote.

My knowledge is too many years out of date to be more then a rough guide.


> Thanks if anyone can share their knowledge with me.
>
>

Mark wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:55:38 -0000, "Mr Benn" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>> If I want a 5Mb/s symmetrical uncontended connection to the Internet, what
>> wired options do I have apart from using multiple SDSL lines? Assuming I
>> have fibre access, what services are available from the likes of BT etc?
>>
>> The local exchange is 21CN enabled and is just a few hundred metres away.
>> I'd also like to be able to carry voice traffic over the same fibre.
>>
>> Thanks if anyone can share their knowledge with me.
>
>
> If you already have fibre then first speak to the retail supplier of
> that service to see what they can do.
>
> If it's Openreach fibre and you don't fancy the current retail CP,
> then through the wonders of novation I believe you can switch to
> another CP that can sell you an Ethernet-based service based on
> something like WES10 (BICBW). From an installation charges point of
> view, that may be cheaper than getting fibre installed from someone
> else such as COLT, ntlTelewest Business, C&W, Global Crossing etc. But
> then there's the rental issue, so shop around anyway.
>
> If you have fibre, what service is it currently delivering?
>
If you have fibre, its a snap to connect to any ISP. BT just count up
the channels you need and vector them to that ISP.

This is just one ISP that does what you want.

Call them

http://www.uk.clara.net/networks/lea...e-and-ethernet

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:51:55 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Mr Benn wrote:
>> If I want a 5Mb/s symmetrical uncontended connection to the Internet,
>> what wired options do I have apart from using multiple SDSL lines?
>> Assuming I have fibre access, what services are available from the
>> likes of BT etc?
>>
>>
> In general you would buy this off an ISP who would use BT to carry a
> private circuit, probably over fiber, possibly over Ethernet, and
> probably give you either G703 (?) or Ethernet presentation to your
> boundary router.

http://aa.nu/ethernet.html
http://aa.nu/broadband-FC.html

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Bob Eager wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:51:55 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Mr Benn wrote:
>>> If I want a 5Mb/s symmetrical uncontended connection to the Internet,
>>> what wired options do I have apart from using multiple SDSL lines?
>>> Assuming I have fibre access, what services are available from the
>>> likes of BT etc?
>>>
>>>
>> In general you would buy this off an ISP who would use BT to carry a
>> private circuit, probably over fiber, possibly over Ethernet, and
>> probably give you either G703 (?) or Ethernet presentation to your
>> boundary router.
>
> http://aa.nu/ethernet.html
> http://aa.nu/broadband-FC.html
>
I wasn't far out. It quoted me 17 grand a year.

Mark <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:(E-Mail Removed):

> On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:55:38 -0000, "Mr Benn" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>>If I want a 5Mb/s symmetrical uncontended connection to the Internet,
>>what wired options do I have apart from using multiple SDSL lines?
>>Assuming I have fibre access, what services are available from the
>>likes of BT etc?
>>
>>The local exchange is 21CN enabled and is just a few hundred metres
>>away. I'd also like to be able to carry voice traffic over the same
>>fibre.
>>
>>Thanks if anyone can share their knowledge with me.
>
>
> If you already have fibre then first speak to the retail supplier of
> that service to see what they can do.
> If it's Openreach fibre and you don't fancy the current retail CP,
> then through the wonders of novation I believe you can switch to
> another CP that can sell you an Ethernet-based service based on
> something like WES10 (BICBW). From an installation charges point of
> view, that may be cheaper than getting fibre installed from someone
> else such as COLT, ntlTelewest Business, C&W, Global Crossing etc. But
> then there's the rental issue, so shop around anyway.
>
> If you have fibre, what service is it currently delivering?

Thanks Mark for the information. That's very helpful.

The connection is for a brand new building and I have been led to believe
that fibre is already installed but currently does not carry any services
as far as I'm aware. I obviously need to check to see who owns the fibre
and if it's connected to anything on the far end!

If I understand correctly, If Openreach own the fibre, they are obliged to
allow other operators access to the fibre in return for a rental fee. Is
that correct?

Regards

Mr Benn

"Mr Benn" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:hjclac$s2k$(E-Mail Removed):

> If I want a 5Mb/s symmetrical uncontended connection to the Internet,
> what wired options do I have apart from using multiple SDSL lines?
> Assuming I have fibre access, what services are available from the
> likes of BT etc?

Thank you to all who have replied. Much appreciated.

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:07:56 +0000 (UTC), "Mr. Benn"
<%%@invalid.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

>
>The connection is for a brand new building and I have been led to believe
>that fibre is already installed but currently does not carry any services
>as far as I'm aware. I obviously need to check to see who owns the fibre
>and if it's connected to anything on the far end!
>
>If I understand correctly, If Openreach own the fibre, they are obliged to
>allow other operators access to the fibre in return for a rental fee. Is
>that correct?

Openreach doesn't rent dark fibre to CPs, it supplies principally
copper and fibre-based wholesale access services like ISDN2/30 (as
WLR), (S)MPF, PSTN (WLR again) and Ethernet (various options,
speeds) etc.

If it's a brand new building I would guess the current fibre tail is
probably neatly coiled up in a footway box or pedestal somewhere out
in or near the street or maybe in a basement; ready & waiting for
connection to an operator's network. It's probably never carried a
live service, so probably isn't owned by an operator. I'd guess it
was pre-installed when the building wiring services were put in.

You should maybe speak to the facilities people for the building to
find out more.