The only DSL game in town

I have a problem I _think_ can be fixed with a router or security appliance
(wired or wireless), but would like an opinion.

I have just received a promise of getting DSL within the next two months --
after years of dial-up only. The ONLY DSL is (will be) available from a
single vendor.

They say I may connect only one computer to the DSL, which I take to mean I
can have only one DHCP lease at a time.

I have three computers in the house. Although they're seldom used
simultaneously, they might be.

Can a router or security appliance pull down one DHCP lease, then spoof for
all three computers without the carrier seeing that multiple computers are
accessing the line?

Thanks,

LLoyd
--
"... Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints."

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>I have a problem I _think_ can be fixed with a router or security appliance
>(wired or wireless), but would like an opinion.
>
> I have just received a promise of getting DSL within the next two
> months -- after years of dial-up only. The ONLY DSL is (will be)
> available from a single vendor.
>
> They say I may connect only one computer to the DSL, which I take to mean
> I can have only one DHCP lease at a time.
>
> I have three computers in the house. Although they're seldom used
> simultaneously, they might be.
>
> Can a router or security appliance pull down one DHCP lease, then spoof
> for all three computers without the carrier seeing that multiple computers
> are accessing the line?
>
> Thanks,

Yes, buy a router (wired or wireless to fit) and the routers WAN port will
grab a address from your modem. The router will use NAT to forward traffic
from any of the three PC's on the LAN side to the WAN port.
Your ISP will never know the differance.

Adair

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:

>I have a problem I _think_ can be fixed with a router or security appliance
>(wired or wireless), but would like an opinion.
>
>I have just received a promise of getting DSL within the next two months --
>after years of dial-up only. The ONLY DSL is (will be) available from a
>single vendor.

You're posting this from a Road Runner cable broadband connection and
you don't have broadband? Huh?

>They say I may connect only one computer to the DSL, which I take to mean I
>can have only one DHCP lease at a time.

Are you sure about that? It's possible you might be confusing this
with the ISP only supplying one IP address, not one computah. In any
case, there's not much that they can do about you connecting more than
one computer, as an NAT router will effectively hide your multiple
computers behind a single IP address. There are ways that they can
detect more than one machine, but it's unlikely that anyone is
currently doing that.

Who is the DSL ISP? URL for their TOS (terms of service)?

>I have three computers in the house. Although they're seldom used
>simultaneously, they might be.
>
>Can a router or security appliance pull down one DHCP lease, then spoof for
>all three computers without the carrier seeing that multiple computers are
>accessing the line?
>
>Thanks,
>
>LLoyd
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Jeff Liebermann (E-Mail Removed)
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

"Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:
>
>>I have a problem I _think_ can be fixed with a router or security
>>appliance
>>(wired or wireless), but would like an opinion.
>>
>>I have just received a promise of getting DSL within the next two
>>months --
>>after years of dial-up only. The ONLY DSL is (will be) available from a
>>single vendor.
>
> You're posting this from a Road Runner cable broadband connection and
> you don't have broadband? Huh?

That was nice. Maybe you could consider that I'm posting from work, now;
the DSL is for my home.

>
>>They say I may connect only one computer to the DSL, which I take to mean
>>I
>>can have only one DHCP lease at a time.
>
> Are you sure about that? It's possible you might be confusing this
> with the ISP only supplying one IP address, not one computah. In any
> case, there's not much that they can do about you connecting more than
> one computer, as an NAT router will effectively hide your multiple
> computers behind a single IP address. There are ways that they can
> detect more than one machine, but it's unlikely that anyone is
> currently doing that.

That's what I was questioning. I thought I remembered that, but am not a
networking guru.

> Who is the DSL ISP? URL for their TOS (terms of service)?

I beliefe the infrastructure will be provided by BellSouth, but they will
not offer DSL to us. Only Earthlink offers it. Earthlink's terms of
service state "one computer", unless you pay more (a bunch more).

In the nicest corporate fashion, they do not reveal that until after you've
signed up. Then they send you additional terms of service documents. My
read is that this is illegal, dishonest, and indefensible. But rather than
fight them, I thought I'd go the route of using address translation, if that
was the way to do it.

LLoyd

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:

>That was nice. Maybe you could consider that I'm posting from work, now;
>the DSL is for my home.

I was wondering if you were switching from cable to DSL.

>> Who is the DSL ISP? URL for their TOS (terms of service)?
>
>I beliefe the infrastructure will be provided by BellSouth, but they will
>not offer DSL to us. Only Earthlink offers it. Earthlink's terms of
>service state "one computer", unless you pay more (a bunch more).

Earthlink resells "bulk" DSL from various providers. However, there's
a little trick they pull to make you sign up for their rather
expensive home networking package. Basically, they sell you a fairly
generic router and charge you approximately what it's worth over about
a 1 year period. You don't really get anything that you can't just go
to a big box store and buy.

<http://www.earthlink.net/highspeed/faq/#c_network>
<http://www.earthlink.net/highspeed/extras/homenetworking/>
Note that at the bottom of the page, it has a bit on "Already have a
router?" which really offers the "home networking support" without the
price of the router.

Just get the regular Earthlink service. You'll get a DSL modem with
it. Plug in your favorite NAT router, and you're done.

>In the nicest corporate fashion, they do not reveal that until after you've
>signed up. Then they send you additional terms of service documents. My
>read is that this is illegal, dishonest, and indefensible. But rather than
>fight them, I thought I'd go the route of using address translation, if that
>was the way to do it.

Yep. I don't have anything nice to say about Earthlink's business
practices.

You might find the following Earthlink and wireless thread of
interest:
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.internet.wireless/browse_frm/thread/6fcfcf6c153cb94c/e7487aa8cccd076f?lnk=st&q=earthlink+group%3Aalt.in ternet.wireless&rnum=20&hl=en#e7487aa8cccd076f>

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Jeff Liebermann (E-Mail Removed)
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

"Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Yep. I don't have anything nice to say about Earthlink's business
> practices.

You'll get a kick out of their "expert internet service". I called the DSL
support line, because the service had not been activated in the promised ten
days.

I was told that there would be a delay to "provide facilities". I explained
to them that a DSLAM had been sitting on the corner, hot, for over a year.
I explained that I _have_ six pairs coming from that box. I was told again
that I'd have to wait for facilities.

THEN the "tech" told me I had other options. They'd "be glad to sell me
high-speed over cable." Sorry, there IS no cable on our road. "Oh... we
have satellite high-speed." Sorry, that's ONE WAY "high-speed". I want
DSL.

"You have to wait for facilities, but we can sell you instead our bundled
DSL, video, and home-phone service." Uh.... doesn't that phone service use
VOIP? "Yes". Don't I require DSL for that? "Yes".

How is it that you can provide DSL for that, and not DSL alone?

"Oh."

<g>
LLoyd

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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>
> "Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Yep. I don't have anything nice to say about Earthlink's business
>> practices.
>
> You'll get a kick out of their "expert internet service". I called
> the DSL support line, because the service had not been activated in
> the promised ten days.
>
> I was told that there would be a delay to "provide facilities". I
> explained to them that a DSLAM had been sitting on the corner, hot,
> for over a year. I explained that I _have_ six pairs coming from that
> box. I was told again that I'd have to wait for facilities.
>
> THEN the "tech" told me I had other options. They'd "be glad to sell
> me high-speed over cable." Sorry, there IS no cable on our road.
> "Oh... we have satellite high-speed." Sorry, that's ONE WAY
> "high-speed". I want DSL.
>
> "You have to wait for facilities, but we can sell you instead our
> bundled DSL, video, and home-phone service." Uh.... doesn't that
> phone service use VOIP? "Yes". Don't I require DSL for that? "Yes".
>
> How is it that you can provide DSL for that, and not DSL alone?
>
> "Oh."
>
> <g>
> LLoyd

That's what happen's with low-cost tech support personnel reading off of
scripts.

I have found tech support for most services/products to be a total waste
of time.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:36:15 -0400, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:

> I have a problem I _think_ can be fixed with a router or security appliance
> (wired or wireless), but would like an opinion.
>
> I have just received a promise of getting DSL within the next two months --
> after years of dial-up only. The ONLY DSL is (will be) available from a
> single vendor.
>
> They say I may connect only one computer to the DSL, which I take to mean I
> can have only one DHCP lease at a time.
>
> I have three computers in the house. Although they're seldom used
> simultaneously, they might be.
>
> Can a router or security appliance pull down one DHCP lease, then spoof for
> all three computers without the carrier seeing that multiple computers are
> accessing the line?
>
> Thanks,
>
> LLoyd

The router will have the public IP that you get from your ISP's DHCP
server. Then your PC's on your LAN will obtain private IP's from your
router's DHCP server which your ISP won't know about as long as you
use NAT. As long as you're not using up a significant portion of your
bandwidth by downloading a lot of files to all of your PC's at the same
time I doubt that your ISP will have a problem with the number of PC's
that you have attached. Besides, it's rather archaic for an ISP to have
such a policy. However, if you plan to access your router wirelessly,
then you have to make sure that your neighbors don't access your network
by using WPA2 encryption and, if you're really ambitious, RADIUS
authentication.

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:

>
>"Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> Yep. I don't have anything nice to say about Earthlink's business
>> practices.

>You'll get a kick out of their "expert internet service". I called the DSL
>support line, because the service had not been activated in the promised ten
>days.

The last 2 times that happened to my customers, it appears that they
enabled DSL on the wrong phone number. I'm still not sure if I should
blame the ISP or Ma Bell (at&t) for typeing in the wrong phone number.

>I was told that there would be a delay to "provide facilities".

The usual buzzword is "lack of provisioning" which is a fancy term for
the RT (remote terminal) isn't ready. I had an RT sitting in the
driveway of one of my customers. Almost a full year before he was
able to get DSL service. The problem was that the copper wires were
going to a nearby box and nobody remembered to install a cross connect
between the two boxes.

>I explained
>to them that a DSLAM had been sitting on the corner, hot, for over a year.

Nope. The DSLAM is usually at the CO (central office). You are
probably looking at an RT or VRAD (Video Ready Access Device????). Duz
it look like one of these?
<http://www.broadbandreports.com/faq/swbfaq/1._Just_the_Basics#1630>
or perhaps a U-verse box?
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1o-1MkvzK4>
or one of the new shrunken U-Verse boxes?
<http://text.dslreports.com/shownews/85502>

>I explained that I _have_ six pairs coming from that box. I was told again
>that I'd have to wait for facilities.

6 pairs? No wonder you want DSL.

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Jeff Liebermann (E-Mail Removed)
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

"Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Nope. The DSLAM is usually at the CO (central office). You are
> probably looking at an RT or VRAD (Video Ready Access Device????). Duz
> it look like one of these?

It's the RT in the second shot. A local installer told me it was the DSLAM.

LLoyd