One question the iPhone 4S reviews all seem to ignore (size of the GSM SIM card!)

I've looked at a dozen iPhone 4S reviews, none of which commented on the
SIZE of the GSM SIM card!

When I travel to a foreign country, I find it useful to purchase a local
SIM card (sometimes with the help of a foreign national) containing about
an hour of local talk time, which I throw away upon leaving that country.

This works fine for an unlocked GSM iPhone, iPhone 3G, and iPhone 3GS which
all have a 'normal sized' GSM SIM card slot; but it fails on an iPhone 4
due to the half-sized SIM card used (specifically to foil you on that
endeavor).

May I ask ...

Since the new iPhone 4S is billed as a "world phone", and since it contains
"support for both CDMA and GSM networks", may I ask if they use the
standard 'regular-sized' GSM SIM card, or if they still use the AT&T-only
half-sized GSM SIM card?

SF Man <lavocado sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I've looked at a dozen iPhone 4S reviews, none of which
> commented on the SIZE of the GSM SIM card!
>
> When I travel to a foreign country, I find it useful to purchase
> a local SIM card (sometimes with the help of a foreign national)
> containing about an hour of local talk time, which I throw away
> upon leaving that country.
>
> This works fine for an unlocked GSM iPhone, iPhone 3G, and
> iPhone 3GS which all have a 'normal sized' GSM SIM card slot;
> but it fails on an iPhone 4 due to the half-sized SIM card used
> (specifically to foil you on that endeavor).
>
> May I ask ...
>
> Since the new iPhone 4S is billed as a "world phone", and since
> it contains "support for both CDMA and GSM networks", may I ask
> if they use the standard 'regular-sized' GSM SIM card, or if
> they still use the AT&T-only half-sized GSM SIM card?

FYI, according to my research... Regular size SIM cards can be
physically trimmed to fit in the iPhone 4. You might be able to
find a little device that does the trimming for you.

On 06 Oct 2011 23:43:23 GMT, John Doe wrote:

> Regular size SIM cards can be physically trimmed to fit in the iPhone 4.

I had no idea!

Googling for "how to trim a SIM card", I find there is an iPhone 4G "SIM
card cut" procedure that turns a standard Mini SIM card into a Micro SIM
card!

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=856875
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/...microsim-size/
http://lifehacker.com/5532554/trim-a...-other-devices
etc.

Amazingly, when I switched to T-Mobile and bought an unlocked iPhone 3GS,
nobody told me that I could have bought the iPhone 4!

I wonder, once trimmed from a mini SIM to a micro SIM, if the trimmed SIM
card can fit BACK into a normal mini sim slot?

I don't touch the Fruity Stuff, but I heard it described as a microsim.
You should be able to find a video of the "event."

While I detest apple crap, I really don't have an issue with the
microsim. Over the years, simcards have been getting smaller. My first
GMS phone had a simcard nearly as big as a credit card.

So whatever. They will make smaller cards. You can probably get them at
phone kiosks in the states if you really want to make sure you are set
up before you leave the country.

What you really need to be asking is why the hell doesn't Apple use UMA.
Or why the hell don't they cover the T-Mob frequencies. Seriously, what
a bunch of wankers at Apple.

Personally, the 4S is a stupid phone. It still has the glass back that
cracks. I'd skip that piece of junk and wait for the iphone5 in the
metal case. I can't say the metal case will help it work as a phone, but
sure as hell that back won't crack anymore. There are about 4 class
action lawsuits against Apple for that junky design. Mostly woman have
those cracked iphone4's, probably due to cramming them in their purse.
To keep an iphone4 from not cracking, you need a freakin' otterbox,
which takes a slim phone and makes it chunky. Dumb.

The damn chipset craps out at 14mbps. Hell, blackberry can do that.
Android has data rates up to 42Mbps onT-Mob.

The iphone4s is a loser. I can't see Apple waiting a whole year for the
iphone5. I bet it will be out in less that 6 months. The iphone4s is
simply not competitive. AT&T is rolling out LTE, and that isn't even in
the works for the iphone4s. I think most fanbois won't jump ship and go
Android, but not a lot of people will consider the 4S a trade up. They
will wait for the 5.





On 10/6/2011 2:41 PM, SF Man wrote:
> I've looked at a dozen iPhone 4S reviews, none of which commented on the
> SIZE of the GSM SIM card!
>
> When I travel to a foreign country, I find it useful to purchase a local
> SIM card (sometimes with the help of a foreign national) containing about
> an hour of local talk time, which I throw away upon leaving that country.
>
> This works fine for an unlocked GSM iPhone, iPhone 3G, and iPhone 3GS which
> all have a 'normal sized' GSM SIM card slot; but it fails on an iPhone 4
> due to the half-sized SIM card used (specifically to foil you on that
> endeavor).
>
> May I ask ...
>
> Since the new iPhone 4S is billed as a "world phone", and since it contains
> "support for both CDMA and GSM networks", may I ask if they use the
> standard 'regular-sized' GSM SIM card, or if they still use the AT&T-only
> half-sized GSM SIM card?

miso <miso sushi.com> wrote:

> I don't touch the Fruity Stuff, but I heard it described as a
> microsim. You should be able to find a video of the "event."
>
> While I detest apple crap, I really don't have an issue with the
> microsim.

Whatta troll.
--







> Over the years, simcards have been getting smaller. My first
> GMS phone had a simcard nearly as big as a credit card.
>
> So whatever. They will make smaller cards. You can probably get them at
> phone kiosks in the states if you really want to make sure you are set
> up before you leave the country.
>
> What you really need to be asking is why the hell doesn't Apple use UMA.
> Or why the hell don't they cover the T-Mob frequencies. Seriously, what
> a bunch of wankers at Apple.
>
> Personally, the 4S is a stupid phone. It still has the glass back that
> cracks. I'd skip that piece of junk and wait for the iphone5 in the
> metal case. I can't say the metal case will help it work as a phone, but
> sure as hell that back won't crack anymore. There are about 4 class
> action lawsuits against Apple for that junky design. Mostly woman have
> those cracked iphone4's, probably due to cramming them in their purse.
> To keep an iphone4 from not cracking, you need a freakin' otterbox,
> which takes a slim phone and makes it chunky. Dumb.
>
> The damn chipset craps out at 14mbps. Hell, blackberry can do that.
> Android has data rates up to 42Mbps onT-Mob.
>
> The iphone4s is a loser. I can't see Apple waiting a whole year for the
> iphone5. I bet it will be out in less that 6 months. The iphone4s is
> simply not competitive. AT&T is rolling out LTE, and that isn't even in
> the works for the iphone4s. I think most fanbois won't jump ship and go
> Android, but not a lot of people will consider the 4S a trade up. They
> will wait for the 5.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/6/2011 2:41 PM, SF Man wrote:
>> I've looked at a dozen iPhone 4S reviews, none of which commented on the
>> SIZE of the GSM SIM card!
>>
>> When I travel to a foreign country, I find it useful to purchase a local
>> SIM card (sometimes with the help of a foreign national) containing about
>> an hour of local talk time, which I throw away upon leaving that country.
>>
>> This works fine for an unlocked GSM iPhone, iPhone 3G, and iPhone 3GS which
>> all have a 'normal sized' GSM SIM card slot; but it fails on an iPhone 4
>> due to the half-sized SIM card used (specifically to foil you on that
>> endeavor).
>>
>> May I ask ...
>>
>> Since the new iPhone 4S is billed as a "world phone", and since it contains
>> "support for both CDMA and GSM networks", may I ask if they use the
>> standard 'regular-sized' GSM SIM card, or if they still use the AT&T-only
>> half-sized GSM SIM card?
>
>
>

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Actually I post here all the time. You're the troll.

Pretty moronic to run an iphone on T-Mob. You only get EDGE. I guess
nobody told you that either.

Check around with the bloggers. I'm not the only one who thinks the
iphone4s is a crappy product at this time.

On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:41:27 -0700, SF Man wrote:

> I've looked at a dozen iPhone 4S reviews, none of which commented on the
> SIZE of the GSM SIM card!

This site confirms both the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S contain a Micro SIM card
slot.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/04/i...e-of-the-tape/

Now that I know I can simply scissor trim the Mini SIM to a Micro SIM, I'm
hoping that the iPhone 4 prices will drop precipitously on Craigslist when
the iPhone 4 (and again with the iPhone 5) come out ... so that's when I'll
get my kid another iPhone.

For me, I dropped AT&T because they force you to have a data plan even if
you never wanted it (even with a data block in place); so I went to
T-Mobile.

For my kid, using the iPhone on T-Mobile is just fine since his only data
is WiFi (T-Mobile, in contrast to AT&T, allows you to have an iPhone phone
without a data plan).

My kid doesn't need cellular data; he just wants the keyboard of the iPhone
and the gaming apps.

Unfortunately, I can't talk him into an Android phone in the least!

I don't see many iphone 4 owners going to the 4s. It simply isn't that
big of an upgrade. Siri... like seriously?

I'm told the iphone4's that have the rear glass cracked are easy to
repair yourself. Most iphone users live with the cracked glass (what an
advertisement that is for Apple quality), but you might be able to find
a cheap cracked one on Craigslist. You don't want to deal with the front
glass being cracked since that requires the LCD to be glued.

The rear glass is under $20. Tools to change it are another story, but
you can show up at the Apple store with cracked phone and new glass in
hand, and make a stink. The store has the tools.

Sprint refuses to insure the iphone4s. That glass is just a fucking pain
in the ass.

On 10/7/2011 2:43 AM, John Doe wrote:
> SF Man<lavocado sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> I've looked at a dozen iPhone 4S reviews, none of which
>> commented on the SIZE of the GSM SIM card!
>>
>> When I travel to a foreign country, I find it useful to purchase
>> a local SIM card (sometimes with the help of a foreign national)
>> containing about an hour of local talk time, which I throw away
>> upon leaving that country.
>>
>> This works fine for an unlocked GSM iPhone, iPhone 3G, and
>> iPhone 3GS which all have a 'normal sized' GSM SIM card slot;
>> but it fails on an iPhone 4 due to the half-sized SIM card used
>> (specifically to foil you on that endeavor).
>>
>> May I ask ...
>>
>> Since the new iPhone 4S is billed as a "world phone", and since
>> it contains "support for both CDMA and GSM networks", may I ask
>> if they use the standard 'regular-sized' GSM SIM card, or if
>> they still use the AT&T-only half-sized GSM SIM card?
>
> FYI, according to my research... Regular size SIM cards can be
> physically trimmed to fit in the iPhone 4. You might be able to
> find a little device that does the trimming for you.

It's called scissors. At least that worked for me and my wife.

Lorenzo

miso <miso sushi.com> wrote in news:j6o525$9ej$(E-Mail Removed):

> Actually I post here all the time.

Then you should be ashamed, troll.
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> You're the troll.
>
> Pretty moronic to run an iphone on T-Mob. You only get EDGE. I guess
> nobody told you that either.
>
> Check around with the bloggers. I'm not the only one who thinks the
> iphone4s is a crappy product at this time.

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