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Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
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In news:C102D638-C37F-49AF-B743-(E-Mail Removed),
Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > We have recently setup folder redirection and roaming profiles. > > Everything is working properly for most of our users, however one > individual is having an issue when she logs off of the system. It > attempts to synchronize and then says, "Errors occurred while Windows > was synchronizing your data." > > When the Results tab is selected, it displays the following warning > messages: > > Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable to > make 'file.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared Folders\user1\My > Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be made available offline. > > (there are about 6 files that show this message) > > In addition, there are two entries that say: > Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable to > make 'file2.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared Folders\user2\My > Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be made available offline. > > It seems as though it is attempting to synchronize to another users > shared folder ie. user2. I'm not sure why this is happening and why > we are even receiving these messages to begin with. Any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Aaron My first question is, why are you using offline files on LAN-connected computers? Frankly, I'm not much of a fan even for laptops and use other methods for file syncing, but on a LAN, I don't see the point at all. You're running into one of what will likely be many problems. I would turn off offline files unless you have some pressing need. The other issue is, you can't sync certain kinds of files (mdb, pst, etc) without registry hacks. |
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Aaron Hoffman
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I am open to suggestions regarding this issue. Is it recommended to not use
offline files on LAN-connected computers? The hope was that since we have setup roaming profiles and folder redirection, users would still be able to access their files should the server go down. If so, is there an easy way to turn this off without having to manually set it up on each system, eg. group policy? Thanks, Aaron "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > In news:C102D638-C37F-49AF-B743-(E-Mail Removed), > Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > > We have recently setup folder redirection and roaming profiles. > > > > Everything is working properly for most of our users, however one > > individual is having an issue when she logs off of the system. It > > attempts to synchronize and then says, "Errors occurred while Windows > > was synchronizing your data." > > > > When the Results tab is selected, it displays the following warning > > messages: > > > > Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable to > > make 'file.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared Folders\user1\My > > Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be made available offline. > > > > (there are about 6 files that show this message) > > > > In addition, there are two entries that say: > > Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable to > > make 'file2.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared Folders\user2\My > > Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be made available offline. > > > > It seems as though it is attempting to synchronize to another users > > shared folder ie. user2. I'm not sure why this is happening and why > > we are even receiving these messages to begin with. Any help would be > > greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Aaron > > My first question is, why are you using offline files on LAN-connected > computers? Frankly, I'm not much of a fan even for laptops and use other > methods for file syncing, but on a LAN, I don't see the point at all. You're > running into one of what will likely be many problems. I would turn off > offline files unless you have some pressing need. > > The other issue is, you can't sync certain kinds of files (mdb, pst, etc) > without registry hacks. > > > > > |
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Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
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In news:BB6C91ED-CB44-4E22-A51A-(E-Mail Removed),
Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > I am open to suggestions regarding this issue. Is it recommended to > not use offline files on LAN-connected computers? By me? Yes. By others? Perhaps not. > The hope was that > since we have setup roaming profiles and folder redirection, users > would still be able to access their files should the server go down. Are you expecting unplanned server outages on a regular basis? DFS is another option, remember. I'd rather not deal with the mishegoss of offline files if a server went down, honestly. And good server hardware will go a long way in ensuring against that. > If so, is there an easy way to turn this off without having to > manually set it up on each system, eg. group policy? Yep - if you don't want it at all, you can disable it in the properties of the shares themselves, or you can disable it via GPO - perhaps just applying it to the OU where your desktops live, if you have laptop users and want to use it then (although I don't; I use SecondCopy from www.centered.com for laptops). The relevant GP bits are in Computer config\admin templates\network\offline files ....should you decide to go that route. > > Thanks, > Aaron > > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > >> In news:C102D638-C37F-49AF-B743-(E-Mail Removed), >> Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: >>> We have recently setup folder redirection and roaming profiles. >>> >>> Everything is working properly for most of our users, however one >>> individual is having an issue when she logs off of the system. It >>> attempts to synchronize and then says, "Errors occurred while >>> Windows was synchronizing your data." >>> >>> When the Results tab is selected, it displays the following warning >>> messages: >>> >>> Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable to >>> make 'file.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared Folders\user1\My >>> Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be made available >>> offline. >>> >>> (there are about 6 files that show this message) >>> >>> In addition, there are two entries that say: >>> Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable to >>> make 'file2.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared Folders\user2\My >>> Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be made available >>> offline. >>> >>> It seems as though it is attempting to synchronize to another users >>> shared folder ie. user2. I'm not sure why this is happening and why >>> we are even receiving these messages to begin with. Any help would >>> be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Aaron >> >> My first question is, why are you using offline files on >> LAN-connected computers? Frankly, I'm not much of a fan even for >> laptops and use other methods for file syncing, but on a LAN, I >> don't see the point at all. You're running into one of what will >> likely be many problems. I would turn off offline files unless you >> have some pressing need. >> >> The other issue is, you can't sync certain kinds of files (mdb, pst, >> etc) without registry hacks. |
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Aaron Hoffman
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No, we are not planning for any unexpected server outages on a regular
basis...thanks for asking. What exactly is the purpose of the offline files? You sound like you've had problems with it? We will most likely go ahead and just disable it. Also, how exactly do the roaming profiles work? I know the files are stored on the server, but what happens when the user logs on to the system, opens a file, and saves it? Does it download a copy to the local machine, or does it always reside on the server. I'm not so familar with that. Anyway, I do appreciate your help. Thanks, Aaron "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > In news:BB6C91ED-CB44-4E22-A51A-(E-Mail Removed), > Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > > I am open to suggestions regarding this issue. Is it recommended to > > not use offline files on LAN-connected computers? > > By me? Yes. > By others? Perhaps not. > > > The hope was that > > since we have setup roaming profiles and folder redirection, users > > would still be able to access their files should the server go down. > > Are you expecting unplanned server outages on a regular basis? > DFS is another option, remember. I'd rather not deal with the mishegoss of > offline files if a server went down, honestly. And good server hardware will > go a long way in ensuring against that. > > > If so, is there an easy way to turn this off without having to > > manually set it up on each system, eg. group policy? > > Yep - if you don't want it at all, you can disable it in the properties of > the shares themselves, or you can disable it via GPO - perhaps just applying > it to the OU where your desktops live, if you have laptop users and want to > use it then (although I don't; I use SecondCopy from www.centered.com for > laptops). > > The relevant GP bits are in > Computer config\admin templates\network\offline files > > ....should you decide to go that route. > > > > > > > Thanks, > > Aaron > > > > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > > > >> In news:C102D638-C37F-49AF-B743-(E-Mail Removed), > >> Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > >>> We have recently setup folder redirection and roaming profiles. > >>> > >>> Everything is working properly for most of our users, however one > >>> individual is having an issue when she logs off of the system. It > >>> attempts to synchronize and then says, "Errors occurred while > >>> Windows was synchronizing your data." > >>> > >>> When the Results tab is selected, it displays the following warning > >>> messages: > >>> > >>> Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable to > >>> make 'file.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared Folders\user1\My > >>> Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be made available > >>> offline. > >>> > >>> (there are about 6 files that show this message) > >>> > >>> In addition, there are two entries that say: > >>> Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable to > >>> make 'file2.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared Folders\user2\My > >>> Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be made available > >>> offline. > >>> > >>> It seems as though it is attempting to synchronize to another users > >>> shared folder ie. user2. I'm not sure why this is happening and why > >>> we are even receiving these messages to begin with. Any help would > >>> be greatly appreciated. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Aaron > >> > >> My first question is, why are you using offline files on > >> LAN-connected computers? Frankly, I'm not much of a fan even for > >> laptops and use other methods for file syncing, but on a LAN, I > >> don't see the point at all. You're running into one of what will > >> likely be many problems. I would turn off offline files unless you > >> have some pressing need. > >> > >> The other issue is, you can't sync certain kinds of files (mdb, pst, > >> etc) without registry hacks. > > > > |
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Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
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In news:07E86561-09AD-45E7-91B4-(E-Mail Removed),
Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > No, we are not planning for any unexpected server outages on a regular > basis...thanks for asking. ;-) that's a good thing. > What exactly is the purpose of the offline > files? Useful for laptops, but I prefer third party options even then. > You sound like you've had problems with it? Oh my, yes. Some people love them. I probably won't use them again; I've seen clients lose data while working offline. > We will most > likely go ahead and just disable it. Also, how exactly do the roaming > profiles work? I know the files are stored on the server, but what > happens when the user logs on to the system, opens a file, and saves > it? Does it download a copy to the local machine, or does it always > reside on the server. Here's my boilerplate on the subject - General tips: 1. Set up a share on the server. For example - d:\profiles, shared as profiles$ to make it hidden from browsing. Make sure this share is not set to allow offline files/caching! 2. Make sure the share permissions on profiles$ indicate everyone=full control. Set the NTFS security to administrators, system, and users=full control. 3. In the users' ADUC properties, specify \\server\profiles$\%username% in the profiles field 4. Have each user log into the domain once from their usual workstation (where their existing profile lives) and log out. The profile is now roaming. 5. If you want the administrators group to automatically have permissions to the profiles folders, you'll need to make the appropriate change in group policy. Look in computer configuration/administrative templates/system/logon - there's an option to add administrators group to the roaming profiles permissions. Notes: * Make sure users understand that they should never log into multiple computers at the same time when they have roaming profiles (unless you make the profiles mandatory by renaming ntuser.dat to ntuser.man so they can't change them). Explain that the last one out wins, when it comes to uploading the final, changed copy of the profile. * Keep your profiles TINY. Redirect My Documents; usually best done to the user's home directory on the server - either via group policy (folder redirection) or manually (far less advisable). If you aren't going to also redirect the desktop using policies, tell users that they are not to store any files on the desktop or you will beat them with a stick. Big profile=slow login/logout, and possible profile corruption. * Note that user profiles are not compatible between different OS versions, even between W2k/XP. Keep all your computers. Keep your workstations as identical as possible - meaning, OS version is the same, SP level is the same, app load is (as much as possible) the same. * Do not let people store any data locally - all data belongs on the server. * The User Profile Hive Cleanup Utility should be running on all your computers. You can download it here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en > I'm not so familar with that. Anyway, I > appreciate your help. Thanks, Aaron Hope this helps. > > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > >> In news:BB6C91ED-CB44-4E22-A51A-(E-Mail Removed), >> Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: >>> I am open to suggestions regarding this issue. Is it recommended to >>> not use offline files on LAN-connected computers? >> >> By me? Yes. >> By others? Perhaps not. >> >>> The hope was that >>> since we have setup roaming profiles and folder redirection, users >>> would still be able to access their files should the server go down. >> >> Are you expecting unplanned server outages on a regular basis? >> DFS is another option, remember. I'd rather not deal with the >> mishegoss of offline files if a server went down, honestly. And good >> server hardware will go a long way in ensuring against that. >> >>> If so, is there an easy way to turn this off without having to >>> manually set it up on each system, eg. group policy? >> >> Yep - if you don't want it at all, you can disable it in the >> properties of the shares themselves, or you can disable it via GPO - >> perhaps just applying it to the OU where your desktops live, if you >> have laptop users and want to use it then (although I don't; I use >> SecondCopy from www.centered.com for laptops). >> >> The relevant GP bits are in >> Computer config\admin templates\network\offline files >> >> ....should you decide to go that route. >> >> >> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Aaron >>> >>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: >>> >>>> In news:C102D638-C37F-49AF-B743-(E-Mail Removed), >>>> Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: >>>>> We have recently setup folder redirection and roaming profiles. >>>>> >>>>> Everything is working properly for most of our users, however one >>>>> individual is having an issue when she logs off of the system. It >>>>> attempts to synchronize and then says, "Errors occurred while >>>>> Windows was synchronizing your data." >>>>> >>>>> When the Results tab is selected, it displays the following >>>>> warning messages: >>>>> >>>>> Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable >>>>> to make 'file.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared >>>>> Folders\user1\My Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be >>>>> made available offline. >>>>> >>>>> (there are about 6 files that show this message) >>>>> >>>>> In addition, there are two entries that say: >>>>> Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable >>>>> to make 'file2.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared >>>>> Folders\user2\My Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be >>>>> made available offline. >>>>> >>>>> It seems as though it is attempting to synchronize to another >>>>> users shared folder ie. user2. I'm not sure why this is happening >>>>> and why we are even receiving these messages to begin with. Any >>>>> help would be greatly appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Aaron >>>> >>>> My first question is, why are you using offline files on >>>> LAN-connected computers? Frankly, I'm not much of a fan even for >>>> laptops and use other methods for file syncing, but on a LAN, I >>>> don't see the point at all. You're running into one of what will >>>> likely be many problems. I would turn off offline files unless you >>>> have some pressing need. >>>> >>>> The other issue is, you can't sync certain kinds of files (mdb, >>>> pst, etc) without registry hacks. |
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Aaron Hoffman
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Thank you for all the advice.
The only issue that I am having now, it does not seem that the offline files has actually been disabled. I went to "Computer config\admin templates\network\offline files" in the group policy as you mentioned before and set "Allow or Disallow use of the Offline Files feature" to Disable. However, it seems that when the user logs off his/her account it still performs a sync (I have also rebooted the workstations). When I go to Items to Syncronize on each users computer there is a check box beneath the Offline files with the path to where folder redirection is setup. Is there something that I am missing? We are running Windows Server 2003 for SBS so I'm not sure if that might be an issue. Thanks again, Aaron "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > In news:07E86561-09AD-45E7-91B4-(E-Mail Removed), > Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > > No, we are not planning for any unexpected server outages on a regular > > basis...thanks for asking. > > ;-) that's a good thing. > > > What exactly is the purpose of the offline > > files? > > Useful for laptops, but I prefer third party options even then. > > > You sound like you've had problems with it? > > Oh my, yes. Some people love them. I probably won't use them again; I've > seen clients lose data while working offline. > > > We will most > > likely go ahead and just disable it. Also, how exactly do the roaming > > profiles work? I know the files are stored on the server, but what > > happens when the user logs on to the system, opens a file, and saves > > it? Does it download a copy to the local machine, or does it always > > reside on the server. > > Here's my boilerplate on the subject - > > General tips: > > 1. Set up a share on the server. For example - d:\profiles, shared as > profiles$ to make it hidden from browsing. Make sure this share is not set > to allow offline files/caching! > 2. Make sure the share permissions on profiles$ indicate everyone=full > control. Set the NTFS security to administrators, system, and users=full > control. > 3. In the users' ADUC properties, specify \\server\profiles$\%username% in > the profiles field > 4. Have each user log into the domain once from their usual workstation > (where their existing profile lives) and log out. The profile is now > roaming. > 5. If you want the administrators group to automatically have permissions to > the profiles folders, you'll need to make the appropriate change in group > policy. Look in computer configuration/administrative > templates/system/logon - there's an option to add administrators group to > the roaming profiles permissions. > > Notes: > > * Make sure users understand that they should never log into multiple > computers at the same time when they have roaming profiles (unless you make > the profiles mandatory by renaming ntuser.dat to ntuser.man so they can't > change them). Explain that the > last one out > wins, when it comes to uploading the final, changed copy of the profile. > > * Keep your profiles TINY. Redirect My Documents; usually best done to the > user's home directory on the server - either via > group policy (folder redirection) or manually (far less advisable). If you > aren't going to also redirect the desktop using policies, tell users that > they are not to store any files on the desktop or you will beat them with a > stick. Big profile=slow login/logout, and possible profile corruption. > > * Note that user profiles are not compatible between different OS versions, > even between W2k/XP. Keep all your computers. Keep your workstations as > identical as possible - meaning, OS version is the same, SP level is the > same, app load is (as much as possible) the same. > > * Do not let people store any data locally - all data belongs on the server. > > * The User Profile Hive Cleanup Utility should be running on all your > computers. You can download it here: > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en > > > > > > > I'm not so familar with that. Anyway, I > > appreciate your help. Thanks, Aaron > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > > > >> In news:BB6C91ED-CB44-4E22-A51A-(E-Mail Removed), > >> Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > >>> I am open to suggestions regarding this issue. Is it recommended to > >>> not use offline files on LAN-connected computers? > >> > >> By me? Yes. > >> By others? Perhaps not. > >> > >>> The hope was that > >>> since we have setup roaming profiles and folder redirection, users > >>> would still be able to access their files should the server go down. > >> > >> Are you expecting unplanned server outages on a regular basis? > >> DFS is another option, remember. I'd rather not deal with the > >> mishegoss of offline files if a server went down, honestly. And good > >> server hardware will go a long way in ensuring against that. > >> > >>> If so, is there an easy way to turn this off without having to > >>> manually set it up on each system, eg. group policy? > >> > >> Yep - if you don't want it at all, you can disable it in the > >> properties of the shares themselves, or you can disable it via GPO - > >> perhaps just applying it to the OU where your desktops live, if you > >> have laptop users and want to use it then (although I don't; I use > >> SecondCopy from www.centered.com for laptops). > >> > >> The relevant GP bits are in > >> Computer config\admin templates\network\offline files > >> > >> ....should you decide to go that route. > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Aaron > >>> > >>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > >>> > >>>> In news:C102D638-C37F-49AF-B743-(E-Mail Removed), > >>>> Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > >>>>> We have recently setup folder redirection and roaming profiles. > >>>>> > >>>>> Everything is working properly for most of our users, however one > >>>>> individual is having an issue when she logs off of the system. It > >>>>> attempts to synchronize and then says, "Errors occurred while > >>>>> Windows was synchronizing your data." > >>>>> > >>>>> When the Results tab is selected, it displays the following > >>>>> warning messages: > >>>>> > >>>>> Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable > >>>>> to make 'file.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared > >>>>> Folders\user1\My Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be > >>>>> made available offline. > >>>>> > >>>>> (there are about 6 files that show this message) > >>>>> > >>>>> In addition, there are two entries that say: > >>>>> Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable > >>>>> to make 'file2.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared > >>>>> Folders\user2\My Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be > >>>>> made available offline. > >>>>> > >>>>> It seems as though it is attempting to synchronize to another > >>>>> users shared folder ie. user2. I'm not sure why this is happening > >>>>> and why we are even receiving these messages to begin with. Any > >>>>> help would be greatly appreciated. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Aaron > >>>> > >>>> My first question is, why are you using offline files on > >>>> LAN-connected computers? Frankly, I'm not much of a fan even for > >>>> laptops and use other methods for file syncing, but on a LAN, I > >>>> don't see the point at all. You're running into one of what will > >>>> likely be many problems. I would turn off offline files unless you > >>>> have some pressing need. > >>>> > >>>> The other issue is, you can't sync certain kinds of files (mdb, > >>>> pst, etc) without registry hacks. > > > > |
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Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
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In news:59F5AD45-4AB5-4A3A-9B4F-(E-Mail Removed),
Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > Thank you for all the advice. > > The only issue that I am having now, it does not seem that the > offline files has actually been disabled. > > I went to "Computer config\admin templates\network\offline files" in > the group policy as you mentioned before and set "Allow or Disallow > use of the Offline Files feature" to Disable. However, it seems that > when the user logs off his/her account it still performs a sync (I > have also rebooted the workstations). Did you also disable Offline File caching in the properties of the shares themselves on the server? > > When I go to Items to Syncronize on each users computer there is a > check box beneath the Offline files with the path to where folder > redirection is setup. > > Is there something that I am missing? We are running Windows Server > 2003 for SBS so I'm not sure if that might be an issue. I'd set up a new GPO and link it to the SBSComputers OU, rather than using the built-in stuff....name it No Offline Files or something. In Computer\Admin\Network\Offline Files, the relevant options are - Allow or Disallow use of the offline files feature = disabled. Prohibit user configuration of offline files = enabled. Sync all offline files when logging on (and off) = Disabled Remove Make Available Offline = enabled Prevent use of Offline Files folder = Enabled Some of that may be overkill, honestly. But I've used it successfully as described. Do a gpupdate /force on the server, and on the clients....see what happens. Of course, you will have made sure they're fully sync'd before doing any of this, right? > > Thanks again, > Aaron > > > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > >> In news:07E86561-09AD-45E7-91B4-(E-Mail Removed), >> Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: >>> No, we are not planning for any unexpected server outages on a >>> regular basis...thanks for asking. >> >> ;-) that's a good thing. >> >>> What exactly is the purpose of the offline >>> files? >> >> Useful for laptops, but I prefer third party options even then. >> >>> You sound like you've had problems with it? >> >> Oh my, yes. Some people love them. I probably won't use them again; >> I've seen clients lose data while working offline. >> >>> We will most >>> likely go ahead and just disable it. Also, how exactly do the >>> roaming profiles work? I know the files are stored on the server, >>> but what happens when the user logs on to the system, opens a file, >>> and saves it? Does it download a copy to the local machine, or does >>> it always reside on the server. >> >> Here's my boilerplate on the subject - >> >> General tips: >> >> 1. Set up a share on the server. For example - d:\profiles, shared as >> profiles$ to make it hidden from browsing. Make sure this share is >> not set to allow offline files/caching! >> 2. Make sure the share permissions on profiles$ indicate >> everyone=full control. Set the NTFS security to administrators, >> system, and users=full control. >> 3. In the users' ADUC properties, specify >> \\server\profiles$\%username% in the profiles field >> 4. Have each user log into the domain once from their usual >> workstation (where their existing profile lives) and log out. The >> profile is now roaming. >> 5. If you want the administrators group to automatically have >> permissions to the profiles folders, you'll need to make the >> appropriate change in group policy. Look in computer >> configuration/administrative templates/system/logon - there's an >> option to add administrators group to the roaming profiles >> permissions. >> >> Notes: >> >> * Make sure users understand that they should never log into multiple >> computers at the same time when they have roaming profiles (unless >> you make the profiles mandatory by renaming ntuser.dat to ntuser.man >> so they can't change them). Explain that the >> last one out >> wins, when it comes to uploading the final, changed copy of the >> profile. >> >> * Keep your profiles TINY. Redirect My Documents; usually best done >> to the user's home directory on the server - either via >> group policy (folder redirection) or manually (far less advisable). >> If you aren't going to also redirect the desktop using policies, >> tell users that they are not to store any files on the desktop or >> you will beat them with a stick. Big profile=slow login/logout, and >> possible profile corruption. >> >> * Note that user profiles are not compatible between different OS >> versions, even between W2k/XP. Keep all your computers. Keep your >> workstations as identical as possible - meaning, OS version is the >> same, SP level is the same, app load is (as much as possible) the >> same. >> >> * Do not let people store any data locally - all data belongs on the >> server. >> >> * The User Profile Hive Cleanup Utility should be running on all your >> computers. You can download it here: >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en >> >> >> >> >> >>> I'm not so familar with that. Anyway, I >>> appreciate your help. Thanks, Aaron >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> >>> >>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: >>> >>>> In news:BB6C91ED-CB44-4E22-A51A-(E-Mail Removed), >>>> Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: >>>>> I am open to suggestions regarding this issue. Is it recommended >>>>> to not use offline files on LAN-connected computers? >>>> >>>> By me? Yes. >>>> By others? Perhaps not. >>>> >>>>> The hope was that >>>>> since we have setup roaming profiles and folder redirection, users >>>>> would still be able to access their files should the server go >>>>> down. >>>> >>>> Are you expecting unplanned server outages on a regular basis? >>>> DFS is another option, remember. I'd rather not deal with the >>>> mishegoss of offline files if a server went down, honestly. And >>>> good server hardware will go a long way in ensuring against that. >>>> >>>>> If so, is there an easy way to turn this off without having to >>>>> manually set it up on each system, eg. group policy? >>>> >>>> Yep - if you don't want it at all, you can disable it in the >>>> properties of the shares themselves, or you can disable it via GPO >>>> - perhaps just applying it to the OU where your desktops live, if >>>> you have laptop users and want to use it then (although I don't; I >>>> use SecondCopy from www.centered.com for laptops). >>>> >>>> The relevant GP bits are in >>>> Computer config\admin templates\network\offline files >>>> >>>> ....should you decide to go that route. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Aaron >>>>> >>>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In news:C102D638-C37F-49AF-B743-(E-Mail Removed), >>>>>> Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: >>>>>>> We have recently setup folder redirection and roaming profiles. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Everything is working properly for most of our users, however >>>>>>> one individual is having an issue when she logs off of the >>>>>>> system. It attempts to synchronize and then says, "Errors >>>>>>> occurred while Windows was synchronizing your data." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When the Results tab is selected, it displays the following >>>>>>> warning messages: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable >>>>>>> to make 'file.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared >>>>>>> Folders\user1\My Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be >>>>>>> made available offline. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (there are about 6 files that show this message) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In addition, there are two entries that say: >>>>>>> Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable >>>>>>> to make 'file2.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared >>>>>>> Folders\user2\My Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be >>>>>>> made available offline. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems as though it is attempting to synchronize to another >>>>>>> users shared folder ie. user2. I'm not sure why this is >>>>>>> happening and why we are even receiving these messages to begin >>>>>>> with. Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Aaron >>>>>> >>>>>> My first question is, why are you using offline files on >>>>>> LAN-connected computers? Frankly, I'm not much of a fan even for >>>>>> laptops and use other methods for file syncing, but on a LAN, I >>>>>> don't see the point at all. You're running into one of what will >>>>>> likely be many problems. I would turn off offline files unless >>>>>> you have some pressing need. >>>>>> >>>>>> The other issue is, you can't sync certain kinds of files (mdb, >>>>>> pst, etc) without registry hacks. |
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I have disabled the Offline File caching in the properties of the shares on
the server. I'm not so familiar with group policies but I set up a new GPO named "No Offline Files" and linked it to the SBSComputers OU. I then went into Edit to get to Computer\Admin\Network\Offline Files and disabled/enabled what you have recommended. Do I need to do anything with Security Filtering or Delegation? When I right-click the GPO there is a check by Link Enabled, above it says Enforced(but it is not checked)? Also, when I click on the domain I see Linked Group Policy Objects but I don't see No Offline Files. If I go to MyBusiness, Computers, SBSComputers, I see No Offline Files there. It says GPO Status is Enabled. Like I said, I am not so familar in this area. While I have done the gpupdate /force and it seems that the Offline Files are still setup to sync under Items to Syncronize. There must still be something that I'm missing in the GPO possibly? Now, I have noticed an issue with one user so far. When the user logs into the computer a window appears that says, "Windows cannot locate the server copy of your roaming profile and is attempting to log you on with your local profile. Changes to the profile will not be coped to the server when you logoff. Possible causes of this error include network problems or insufficient security rights..." This person was able to log in fine before I started making these changes. What would you recommend in the case? Again, I really do appreciate your help with this. Thanks, Aaron "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > In news:59F5AD45-4AB5-4A3A-9B4F-(E-Mail Removed), > Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > > Thank you for all the advice. > > > > The only issue that I am having now, it does not seem that the > > offline files has actually been disabled. > > > > I went to "Computer config\admin templates\network\offline files" in > > the group policy as you mentioned before and set "Allow or Disallow > > use of the Offline Files feature" to Disable. However, it seems that > > when the user logs off his/her account it still performs a sync (I > > have also rebooted the workstations). > > Did you also disable Offline File caching in the properties of the shares > themselves on the server? > > > > When I go to Items to Syncronize on each users computer there is a > > check box beneath the Offline files with the path to where folder > > redirection is setup. > > > > Is there something that I am missing? We are running Windows Server > > 2003 for SBS so I'm not sure if that might be an issue. > > I'd set up a new GPO and link it to the SBSComputers OU, rather than using > the built-in stuff....name it No Offline Files or something. > > In Computer\Admin\Network\Offline Files, the relevant options are - > > Allow or Disallow use of the offline files feature = disabled. > Prohibit user configuration of offline files = enabled. > Sync all offline files when logging on (and off) = Disabled > Remove Make Available Offline = enabled > Prevent use of Offline Files folder = Enabled > > Some of that may be overkill, honestly. But I've used it successfully as > described. > > Do a gpupdate /force on the server, and on the clients....see what happens. > Of course, you will have made sure they're fully sync'd before doing any of > this, right? > > > > > > Thanks again, > > Aaron > > > > > > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > > > >> In news:07E86561-09AD-45E7-91B4-(E-Mail Removed), > >> Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > >>> No, we are not planning for any unexpected server outages on a > >>> regular basis...thanks for asking. > >> > >> ;-) that's a good thing. > >> > >>> What exactly is the purpose of the offline > >>> files? > >> > >> Useful for laptops, but I prefer third party options even then. > >> > >>> You sound like you've had problems with it? > >> > >> Oh my, yes. Some people love them. I probably won't use them again; > >> I've seen clients lose data while working offline. > >> > >>> We will most > >>> likely go ahead and just disable it. Also, how exactly do the > >>> roaming profiles work? I know the files are stored on the server, > >>> but what happens when the user logs on to the system, opens a file, > >>> and saves it? Does it download a copy to the local machine, or does > >>> it always reside on the server. > >> > >> Here's my boilerplate on the subject - > >> > >> General tips: > >> > >> 1. Set up a share on the server. For example - d:\profiles, shared as > >> profiles$ to make it hidden from browsing. Make sure this share is > >> not set to allow offline files/caching! > >> 2. Make sure the share permissions on profiles$ indicate > >> everyone=full control. Set the NTFS security to administrators, > >> system, and users=full control. > >> 3. In the users' ADUC properties, specify > >> \\server\profiles$\%username% in the profiles field > >> 4. Have each user log into the domain once from their usual > >> workstation (where their existing profile lives) and log out. The > >> profile is now roaming. > >> 5. If you want the administrators group to automatically have > >> permissions to the profiles folders, you'll need to make the > >> appropriate change in group policy. Look in computer > >> configuration/administrative templates/system/logon - there's an > >> option to add administrators group to the roaming profiles > >> permissions. > >> > >> Notes: > >> > >> * Make sure users understand that they should never log into multiple > >> computers at the same time when they have roaming profiles (unless > >> you make the profiles mandatory by renaming ntuser.dat to ntuser.man > >> so they can't change them). Explain that the > >> last one out > >> wins, when it comes to uploading the final, changed copy of the > >> profile. > >> > >> * Keep your profiles TINY. Redirect My Documents; usually best done > >> to the user's home directory on the server - either via > >> group policy (folder redirection) or manually (far less advisable). > >> If you aren't going to also redirect the desktop using policies, > >> tell users that they are not to store any files on the desktop or > >> you will beat them with a stick. Big profile=slow login/logout, and > >> possible profile corruption. > >> > >> * Note that user profiles are not compatible between different OS > >> versions, even between W2k/XP. Keep all your computers. Keep your > >> workstations as identical as possible - meaning, OS version is the > >> same, SP level is the same, app load is (as much as possible) the > >> same. > >> > >> * Do not let people store any data locally - all data belongs on the > >> server. > >> > >> * The User Profile Hive Cleanup Utility should be running on all your > >> computers. You can download it here: > >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> I'm not so familar with that. Anyway, I > >>> appreciate your help. Thanks, Aaron > >> > >> Hope this helps. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > >>> > >>>> In news:BB6C91ED-CB44-4E22-A51A-(E-Mail Removed), > >>>> Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > >>>>> I am open to suggestions regarding this issue. Is it recommended > >>>>> to not use offline files on LAN-connected computers? > >>>> > >>>> By me? Yes. > >>>> By others? Perhaps not. > >>>> > >>>>> The hope was that > >>>>> since we have setup roaming profiles and folder redirection, users > >>>>> would still be able to access their files should the server go > >>>>> down. > >>>> > >>>> Are you expecting unplanned server outages on a regular basis? > >>>> DFS is another option, remember. I'd rather not deal with the > >>>> mishegoss of offline files if a server went down, honestly. And > >>>> good server hardware will go a long way in ensuring against that. > >>>> > >>>>> If so, is there an easy way to turn this off without having to > >>>>> manually set it up on each system, eg. group policy? > >>>> > >>>> Yep - if you don't want it at all, you can disable it in the > >>>> properties of the shares themselves, or you can disable it via GPO > >>>> - perhaps just applying it to the OU where your desktops live, if > >>>> you have laptop users and want to use it then (although I don't; I > >>>> use SecondCopy from www.centered.com for laptops). > >>>> > >>>> The relevant GP bits are in > >>>> Computer config\admin templates\network\offline files > >>>> > >>>> ....should you decide to go that route. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Aaron > >>>>> > >>>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> In news:C102D638-C37F-49AF-B743-(E-Mail Removed), > >>>>>> Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > >>>>>>> We have recently setup folder redirection and roaming profiles. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Everything is working properly for most of our users, however > >>>>>>> one individual is having an issue when she logs off of the > >>>>>>> system. It attempts to synchronize and then says, "Errors > >>>>>>> occurred while Windows was synchronizing your data." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> When the Results tab is selected, it displays the following > >>>>>>> warning messages: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable > >>>>>>> to make 'file.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared > >>>>>>> Folders\user1\My Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be > >>>>>>> made available offline. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> (there are about 6 files that show this message) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> In addition, there are two entries that say: > >>>>>>> Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable > >>>>>>> to make 'file2.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared > >>>>>>> Folders\user2\My Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be > >>>>>>> made available offline. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It seems as though it is attempting to synchronize to another > >>>>>>> users shared folder ie. user2. I'm not sure why this is > >>>>>>> happening and why we are even receiving these messages to begin > >>>>>>> with. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>> Aaron > >>>>>> > >>>>>> My first question is, why are you using offline files on > >>>>>> LAN-connected computers? Frankly, I'm not much of a fan even for > >>>>>> laptops and use other methods for file syncing, but on a LAN, I > >>>>>> don't see the point at all. You're running into one of what will > >>>>>> likely be many problems. I would turn off offline files unless > >>>>>> you have some pressing need. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The other issue is, you can't sync certain kinds of files (mdb, > >>>>>> pst, etc) without registry hacks. > > > > |
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Just an update to my last post...
The problem with roaming profiles seems to be more of an issue now. There are now a few people that are receiving the "Windows cannot locate the server copy of your roaming profile...." All of these that get this message have Windows XP computers. There is one user with Windows 2000 that gets the message, "Windows cannot create profile directory \\server\profiles\user.pds You will be logged onto local profile..." It seems that all of these people are now using their local profiles now. I'm not exactly sure what the best approach is right now? Thanks, Aaron "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > In news:59F5AD45-4AB5-4A3A-9B4F-(E-Mail Removed), > Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > > Thank you for all the advice. > > > > The only issue that I am having now, it does not seem that the > > offline files has actually been disabled. > > > > I went to "Computer config\admin templates\network\offline files" in > > the group policy as you mentioned before and set "Allow or Disallow > > use of the Offline Files feature" to Disable. However, it seems that > > when the user logs off his/her account it still performs a sync (I > > have also rebooted the workstations). > > Did you also disable Offline File caching in the properties of the shares > themselves on the server? > > > > When I go to Items to Syncronize on each users computer there is a > > check box beneath the Offline files with the path to where folder > > redirection is setup. > > > > Is there something that I am missing? We are running Windows Server > > 2003 for SBS so I'm not sure if that might be an issue. > > I'd set up a new GPO and link it to the SBSComputers OU, rather than using > the built-in stuff....name it No Offline Files or something. > > In Computer\Admin\Network\Offline Files, the relevant options are - > > Allow or Disallow use of the offline files feature = disabled. > Prohibit user configuration of offline files = enabled. > Sync all offline files when logging on (and off) = Disabled > Remove Make Available Offline = enabled > Prevent use of Offline Files folder = Enabled > > Some of that may be overkill, honestly. But I've used it successfully as > described. > > Do a gpupdate /force on the server, and on the clients....see what happens. > Of course, you will have made sure they're fully sync'd before doing any of > this, right? > > > > > > Thanks again, > > Aaron > > > > > > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > > > >> In news:07E86561-09AD-45E7-91B4-(E-Mail Removed), > >> Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > >>> No, we are not planning for any unexpected server outages on a > >>> regular basis...thanks for asking. > >> > >> ;-) that's a good thing. > >> > >>> What exactly is the purpose of the offline > >>> files? > >> > >> Useful for laptops, but I prefer third party options even then. > >> > >>> You sound like you've had problems with it? > >> > >> Oh my, yes. Some people love them. I probably won't use them again; > >> I've seen clients lose data while working offline. > >> > >>> We will most > >>> likely go ahead and just disable it. Also, how exactly do the > >>> roaming profiles work? I know the files are stored on the server, > >>> but what happens when the user logs on to the system, opens a file, > >>> and saves it? Does it download a copy to the local machine, or does > >>> it always reside on the server. > >> > >> Here's my boilerplate on the subject - > >> > >> General tips: > >> > >> 1. Set up a share on the server. For example - d:\profiles, shared as > >> profiles$ to make it hidden from browsing. Make sure this share is > >> not set to allow offline files/caching! > >> 2. Make sure the share permissions on profiles$ indicate > >> everyone=full control. Set the NTFS security to administrators, > >> system, and users=full control. > >> 3. In the users' ADUC properties, specify > >> \\server\profiles$\%username% in the profiles field > >> 4. Have each user log into the domain once from their usual > >> workstation (where their existing profile lives) and log out. The > >> profile is now roaming. > >> 5. If you want the administrators group to automatically have > >> permissions to the profiles folders, you'll need to make the > >> appropriate change in group policy. Look in computer > >> configuration/administrative templates/system/logon - there's an > >> option to add administrators group to the roaming profiles > >> permissions. > >> > >> Notes: > >> > >> * Make sure users understand that they should never log into multiple > >> computers at the same time when they have roaming profiles (unless > >> you make the profiles mandatory by renaming ntuser.dat to ntuser.man > >> so they can't change them). Explain that the > >> last one out > >> wins, when it comes to uploading the final, changed copy of the > >> profile. > >> > >> * Keep your profiles TINY. Redirect My Documents; usually best done > >> to the user's home directory on the server - either via > >> group policy (folder redirection) or manually (far less advisable). > >> If you aren't going to also redirect the desktop using policies, > >> tell users that they are not to store any files on the desktop or > >> you will beat them with a stick. Big profile=slow login/logout, and > >> possible profile corruption. > >> > >> * Note that user profiles are not compatible between different OS > >> versions, even between W2k/XP. Keep all your computers. Keep your > >> workstations as identical as possible - meaning, OS version is the > >> same, SP level is the same, app load is (as much as possible) the > >> same. > >> > >> * Do not let people store any data locally - all data belongs on the > >> server. > >> > >> * The User Profile Hive Cleanup Utility should be running on all your > >> computers. You can download it here: > >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> I'm not so familar with that. Anyway, I > >>> appreciate your help. Thanks, Aaron > >> > >> Hope this helps. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > >>> > >>>> In news:BB6C91ED-CB44-4E22-A51A-(E-Mail Removed), > >>>> Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > >>>>> I am open to suggestions regarding this issue. Is it recommended > >>>>> to not use offline files on LAN-connected computers? > >>>> > >>>> By me? Yes. > >>>> By others? Perhaps not. > >>>> > >>>>> The hope was that > >>>>> since we have setup roaming profiles and folder redirection, users > >>>>> would still be able to access their files should the server go > >>>>> down. > >>>> > >>>> Are you expecting unplanned server outages on a regular basis? > >>>> DFS is another option, remember. I'd rather not deal with the > >>>> mishegoss of offline files if a server went down, honestly. And > >>>> good server hardware will go a long way in ensuring against that. > >>>> > >>>>> If so, is there an easy way to turn this off without having to > >>>>> manually set it up on each system, eg. group policy? > >>>> > >>>> Yep - if you don't want it at all, you can disable it in the > >>>> properties of the shares themselves, or you can disable it via GPO > >>>> - perhaps just applying it to the OU where your desktops live, if > >>>> you have laptop users and want to use it then (although I don't; I > >>>> use SecondCopy from www.centered.com for laptops). > >>>> > >>>> The relevant GP bits are in > >>>> Computer config\admin templates\network\offline files > >>>> > >>>> ....should you decide to go that route. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Aaron > >>>>> > >>>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> In news:C102D638-C37F-49AF-B743-(E-Mail Removed), > >>>>>> Aaron Hoffman <(E-Mail Removed)> typed: > >>>>>>> We have recently setup folder redirection and roaming profiles. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Everything is working properly for most of our users, however > >>>>>>> one individual is having an issue when she logs off of the > >>>>>>> system. It attempts to synchronize and then says, "Errors > >>>>>>> occurred while Windows was synchronizing your data." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> When the Results tab is selected, it displays the following > >>>>>>> warning messages: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable > >>>>>>> to make 'file.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared > >>>>>>> Folders\user1\My Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be > >>>>>>> made available offline. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> (there are about 6 files that show this message) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> In addition, there are two entries that say: > >>>>>>> Offline Files (\\Server\Users Shared Folders on Server): Unable > >>>>>>> to make 'file2.mdb' available on \\Server\User Shared > >>>>>>> Folders\user2\My Documents\Folder. Files of this type cannot be > >>>>>>> made available offline. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It seems as though it is attempting to synchronize to another > >>>>>>> users shared folder ie. user2. I'm not sure why this is > >>>>>>> happening and why we are even receiving these messages to begin > >>>>>>> with. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>> Aaron > >>>>>> > >>>>>> My first question is, why are you using offline files on > >>>>>> LAN-connected computers? Frankly, I'm not much of a fan even for > >>>>>> laptops and use other methods for file syncing, but on a LAN, I > >>>>>> don't see the point at all. You're running into one of what will > >>>>>> likely be many problems. I would turn off offline files unless > >>>>>> you have some pressing need. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The other issue is, you can't sync certain kinds of files (mdb, > >>>>>> pst, etc) without registry hacks. > > > > |
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