Odd - sharing freeserve ADSL with XP ICS

Hello,
Apologies if this comes across as an exhausted query - I have googled
for this most of yesterday evening, to no avail.

Here's the scenario. We have two laptops, both with 1394 'firewire'
capabilities. These are both mainly for work, and are seldom at home in use
at the same time. The main family PC also has firewire. When i bought my
laptop I bought a firewire cable, and successfully used the home network
wizard thing on xp to migrate some big files over. So that connection is all
fine.

I've been away for a few months, and my family has set up freeserve
broadband. We have the Thomson SpeedTouch 330 usb doodad (technical term
). At the moment the other laptop has the speedtouch driver and connection
set up so it can connect alone. Obviously the other computers can't use the
line at the same time.

What I'd like to be able to do is use internet connection sharing from XP
(all pc's have xp pro), but at the moment it's not working as planned. If I
try and use the line from the laptop hooked into the main pc, it can
initiate the connection (PPPoE freeserve thing) successfully. IE6 just
counts up on the progress bar, the status bar says "site found, waiting for
reply", and after some seconds just comes up with the Page Cannot Be
Displayed page.

What's really wierd is that Outlook XP's send and receive progress window
gets as far as "Downloading message 1 of 7", but then freezes at that point.
It's really frustrating! I can see the traffic on the two-computer icons in
the trays for each computer, they seem to be blinking periodically (~1 per
second), suggesting maybe failing packets are being re-sent at some stage.
Real amateur diagnosis there, I'm asking here in case anyone's had a similar
problem or can see an obvious solution that i've overlooked?



I'd be REALLY grateful if anyone here can help me with this. Who knows,
maybe there's a pint in it for ya?! :-P


TIA

dyl www.bassnote.tk

"Dylan Mouratsing" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hello,
> Apologies if this comes across as an exhausted query - I have googled
> for this most of yesterday evening, to no avail.
>
> Here's the scenario. We have two laptops, both with 1394 'firewire'
> capabilities. These are both mainly for work, and are seldom at home in
use
> at the same time. The main family PC also has firewire. When i bought my
> laptop I bought a firewire cable, and successfully used the home network
> wizard thing on xp to migrate some big files over. So that connection is
all
> fine.
>
> I've been away for a few months, and my family has set up freeserve
> broadband. We have the Thomson SpeedTouch 330 usb doodad (technical term
> ). At the moment the other laptop has the speedtouch driver and
connection
> set up so it can connect alone. Obviously the other computers can't use
the
> line at the same time.
>
> What I'd like to be able to do is use internet connection sharing from XP
> (all pc's have xp pro), but at the moment it's not working as planned. If
I
> try and use the line from the laptop hooked into the main pc, it can
> initiate the connection (PPPoE freeserve thing) successfully. IE6 just
> counts up on the progress bar, the status bar says "site found, waiting
for
> reply", and after some seconds just comes up with the Page Cannot Be
> Displayed page.
>
> What's really wierd is that Outlook XP's send and receive progress window
> gets as far as "Downloading message 1 of 7", but then freezes at that
point.
> It's really frustrating! I can see the traffic on the two-computer icons
in
> the trays for each computer, they seem to be blinking periodically (~1 per
> second), suggesting maybe failing packets are being re-sent at some stage.
> Real amateur diagnosis there, I'm asking here in case anyone's had a
similar
> problem or can see an obvious solution that i've overlooked?
>
>
>
> I'd be REALLY grateful if anyone here can help me with this. Who knows,
> maybe there's a pint in it for ya?! :-P
>
Can you ping from the networked machine?
e.g "ping www.google.com" and get a reply

Have you looked at running DrTCP and checking the MTU on each machine, in
case its a packet size problem?
http://www.dslreports.com/drtcp

Wow even the replies in broadband groups are up to ten times faster than
dialup! ;-)

here's what pinging google gets me:
------------------------------------------

C:\Documents and Settings\Dylan>ping www.google.com

Pinging www.google.akadns.net [66.102.11.99] with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 66.102.11.99:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),

------------------------------------------

will check out the drtcp / mtu thing, though i know absolutely nothing about
it, it all looks very interesting and i'll put the time in if it pays off!



cheers again

dylan www.bassnote.tk

"Nat Stott" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Dylan Mouratsing" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:brl6o3$48pb0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hello,
> > Apologies if this comes across as an exhausted query - I have
googled
> > for this most of yesterday evening, to no avail.
> >
> > Here's the scenario. We have two laptops, both with 1394 'firewire'
> > capabilities. These are both mainly for work, and are seldom at home in
> use
> > at the same time. The main family PC also has firewire. When i bought my
> > laptop I bought a firewire cable, and successfully used the home network
> > wizard thing on xp to migrate some big files over. So that connection is
> all
> > fine.
> >
> > I've been away for a few months, and my family has set up freeserve
> > broadband. We have the Thomson SpeedTouch 330 usb doodad (technical term
> > ). At the moment the other laptop has the speedtouch driver and
> connection
> > set up so it can connect alone. Obviously the other computers can't use
> the
> > line at the same time.
> >
> > What I'd like to be able to do is use internet connection sharing from
XP
> > (all pc's have xp pro), but at the moment it's not working as planned.
If
> I
> > try and use the line from the laptop hooked into the main pc, it can
> > initiate the connection (PPPoE freeserve thing) successfully. IE6 just
> > counts up on the progress bar, the status bar says "site found, waiting
> for
> > reply", and after some seconds just comes up with the Page Cannot Be
> > Displayed page.
> >
> > What's really wierd is that Outlook XP's send and receive progress
window
> > gets as far as "Downloading message 1 of 7", but then freezes at that
> point.
> > It's really frustrating! I can see the traffic on the two-computer icons
> in
> > the trays for each computer, they seem to be blinking periodically (~1
per
> > second), suggesting maybe failing packets are being re-sent at some
stage.
> > Real amateur diagnosis there, I'm asking here in case anyone's had a
> similar
> > problem or can see an obvious solution that i've overlooked?
> >
> >
> >
> > I'd be REALLY grateful if anyone here can help me with this. Who knows,
> > maybe there's a pint in it for ya?! :-P
> >
> Can you ping from the networked machine?
> e.g "ping www.google.com" and get a reply
>
> Have you looked at running DrTCP and checking the MTU on each machine, in
> case its a packet size problem?
> http://www.dslreports.com/drtcp
>
>

"Nat Stott" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Can you ping from the networked machine?
> e.g "ping www.google.com" and get a reply
>
> Have you looked at running DrTCP and checking the MTU on each machine, in
> case its a packet size problem?
> http://www.dslreports.com/drtcp
>
>

On neither the 'gateway' PC, nor the client laptop, the speedtouch
connection isn't listed at all! When it's hooked directly to each pc in
turn. The list is:

Bluetooth LAN Access Server Driver
Bluetooth LAN Access Server Driver
Bluetooth LAN Access Server Driver
1394 Net Adapter
Microsoft TV/Video Connection
Bluetooth LAN Access Server Driver

I don't even know what the TV thing's about??! maybe something to do with
the TV card in there. The 1394 link's MTU is 576, for what it's worth. All
the others are blank. On my laptop the list is:

1394 Net Adapter
VIA VT6105 Rhine III Fast Ethernet Adapter
Intel(R) PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 Mini PCI Adapter
1394 Net Adapter

The MTU's are blank on all adapters here.



Any ideas?

Dylan www.bassnote.tk

Hi all,
I messed with MTUs and what have you, also turned off the windows
'firewall' and sygate personal firewall. Then, removed the sharing on the
ADSL connection, rebooted, restarted sharing and its all working now!

just have to go about getting a firewall that works with ICS - sygate was
running on the gateway pc but now seems to block all traffic coming from the
laptop - not very helpful in this instance.



dylan www.bassnote.tk

Have you allowed sharing on the network neighbourhood tab of sygate?

"Dylan Mouratsing" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
> I messed with MTUs and what have you, also turned off the windows
> 'firewall' and sygate personal firewall. Then, removed the sharing on the
> ADSL connection, rebooted, restarted sharing and its all working now!
>
> just have to go about getting a firewall that works with ICS - sygate was
> running on the gateway pc but now seems to block all traffic coming from
the
> laptop - not very helpful in this instance.
>
>
>
> dylan www.bassnote.tk
>
>
>

"JRS" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Have you allowed sharing on the network neighbourhood tab of sygate?


The 1394 (my LAN connection, in this instance) isn't an option on that tab.
I've allowed what I could for the Speedtouch thing that was listed, but it
didn't make a difference, and won't help much anyway.



dylan www.bassnote.tk

> just have to go about getting a firewall that works with ICS - sygate was
> running on the gateway pc but now seems to block all traffic coming from
the
> laptop - not very helpful in this instance.

This is from the Sygate Help.. no idea if it works though - I use a router
here and checking the Network Neighbourhood option allows access to
networked PCs.
Is the Personal Firewall compatible with Microsoft's Internet Connection
Sharing (ICS)?
Yes, it is.

How do I configure the Personal Firewall to work with ICS?
To configure the Personal Firewall to work with ICS, all operating systems
should be set as follows:

1.. From the Main Menu, click Tools|Applications, or click the
Applications button.

2.. Set the following applications to Allow in the Running Applications
list:

a.. Kernel

b.. LSA Shell

c.. Generic Host Process

d.. Application Layer Gateway Service (for Windows XP)

e.. NCIS User mode I/O Driver

Set the following applications to Allow, according to the operating system:

a.. For Windows 98/ME:

a.. ICSHAREP.VXD

b.. ICSMGR.EXE

c.. NDIS

d.. NetBeui

e.. IPX (if used)

f.. Kernel

g.. For Windows 2000:

h.. LSASS.EXE

i.. TCP/IP

j.. NDIS

k.. NetBeui

l.. IPX (if used)

m.. Kernel

a.. For Windows XP:

b.. LSASS.EXE

c.. ALG.EXE

d.. NDIS

e.. Kernel

"James Hurrell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > just have to go about getting a firewall that works with ICS - sygate
was
> > running on the gateway pc but now seems to block all traffic coming from
> the
> > laptop - not very helpful in this instance.
>
> This is from the Sygate Help.. no idea if it works though - I use a router
> here and checking the Network Neighbourhood option allows access to
> networked PCs.
> Is the Personal Firewall compatible with Microsoft's Internet Connection
> Sharing (ICS)?
> Yes, it is.
>
> How do I configure the Personal Firewall to work with ICS?
> To configure the Personal Firewall to work with ICS, all operating systems
> should be set as follows:
>
> 1.. From the Main Menu, click Tools|Applications, or click the
> Applications button.
>
> 2.. Set the following applications to Allow in the Running Applications
> list:
>
> a.. Kernel
>
> b.. LSA Shell
>
> c.. Generic Host Process
>
> d.. Application Layer Gateway Service (for Windows XP)
>
> e.. NCIS User mode I/O Driver
>
> Set the following applications to Allow, according to the operating
system:
>
> a.. For Windows 98/ME:
>
> a.. ICSHAREP.VXD
>
> b.. ICSMGR.EXE
>
> c.. NDIS
>
> d.. NetBeui
>
> e.. IPX (if used)
>
> f.. Kernel
>
> g.. For Windows 2000:
>
> h.. LSASS.EXE
>
> i.. TCP/IP
>
> j.. NDIS
>
> k.. NetBeui
>
> l.. IPX (if used)
>
> m.. Kernel
>
> a.. For Windows XP:
>
> b.. LSASS.EXE
>
> c.. ALG.EXE
>
> d.. NDIS
>
> e.. Kernel
>



In that menu I have:
Application Layer Gateway Service
Generic Host Process for Win32 Services
NT Kernel & System
Windows Explorer

Setting them all to allow makes no difference. 'block all' and 'normal' seem
identical!



Dylan www.bassnote.tk