NTL & Broadband

A friend of mine was scheduled to have NTL provde him with TV service
and their version of broadband.

I've not seen the installation or the kit, but assume he has been
provided with the basics kit wise

Is the NTL service compatible with normal broadband kit? i.e. can he
buy something like the D-Link 902 and use that instead of whatever NTL
have provided - he needs wireless connection to a laptop as well as a
cable connection to a desktop PC

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:10:14 +0000, Peter
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Is the NTL service compatible with normal broadband kit?

it provides an ethernet connection, so anything expecting to see
ethernet on its RJ45 WAN connection will be happy.

Phil
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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:25:48 +0000, Phil Thompson
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:10:14 +0000, Peter
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Is the NTL service compatible with normal broadband kit?
>
>it provides an ethernet connection, so anything expecting to see
>ethernet on its RJ45 WAN connection will be happy.
>
>Phil

Thanks

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:25:48 +0000, Phil Thompson
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:10:14 +0000, Peter
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Is the NTL service compatible with normal broadband kit?
>
>it provides an ethernet connection, so anything expecting to see
>ethernet on its RJ45 WAN connection will be happy.

Unless NTL has changed in the last year, the standard cable modem they
produce can be connected to the PC via either Ethernet or USB.

I think the original poster wants a wireless network in his house, and
wants to know if a "standard" adsl wireless router can be used. I
believe that he'd have to purchase something called a wireless cable
broadband router, rather than a standard adsl wireless router. Maybe
he can buy a wireless router that will distribute the output from his
NTL supplied modem from the ethernet port, but I'd imagine a standard
ADSL wireless router would not do this...

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, (E-Mail Removed)lid wrote:

> Unless NTL has changed in the last year, the standard cable modem they
> produce can be connected to the PC via either Ethernet or USB.

Isn't it the case that "NTL" uses different technologies in different
franchise areas? At any rate, my colleague who has NTL at home gets
his broadband delivered on an Ethernet port with a public IP address.
It's up to him to NAT-route it to a private network if that's what he
wants (which it is!). I'm going to assume the questioner is in the
same situation.

> I think the original poster wants a wireless network in his house,
> and wants to know if a "standard" adsl wireless router can be used.

Basically "no".

> I believe that he'd have to purchase something called a wireless
> cable broadband router, rather than a standard adsl wireless router.

Yes, which is actually cheaper than an ADSL router (it doesn't need to
include ADSL modem function).

A typical box might have one "WAN" Ethernet port for the cable side,
some "LAN" Ethernet ports (e.g 4) for the private network side, and
the wireless access point also on the same private network.

Your basic ADSL modem + router + wireless AP would *not* do that job
(although there are sure to be more expensive boxes which could do
either.) When I bought a wireless box from the local cheapie PC
store, they were pretty insistent on wanting to know if I wanted it to
connect to cable or ADSL, to make sure they didn't sell me the wrong
thing.

Peter <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:(E-Mail Removed):

> Is the NTL service compatible with normal broadband kit?

Yes, for certain values of 'normal'.

> i.e.
> can he buy something like the D-Link 902 and use that instead of
> whatever NTL have provided...

No, because that device is only 'normal' for ADSL broadband, not
cable broadband. A suitably 'normal' D-Link device for cable
broadband would be a DI-624+.

"Alan J. Flavell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:(E-Mail Removed) la.ac.uk:

> When I bought a wireless box from the local cheapie PC
> store, they were pretty insistent on wanting to know if I wanted
> it to connect to cable or ADSL, to make sure they didn't sell me
> the wrong thing.
>

....not PC World then :-)

Jenny Talyor <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in news:Xns970A12C91E996jny@
62.253.170.163:

> use that instead of whatever NTL have provided...
>
....the router is not used _instead of_ what NTL provide, it used _as
well as_ same.


[...missed this from my previous post]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:17:02 +0000, (E-Mail Removed)lid wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:25:48 +0000, Phil Thompson
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:10:14 +0000, Peter
>><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>Is the NTL service compatible with normal broadband kit?
>>
>>it provides an ethernet connection, so anything expecting to see
>>ethernet on its RJ45 WAN connection will be happy.
>
>Unless NTL has changed in the last year, the standard cable modem they
>produce can be connected to the PC via either Ethernet or USB.
>
>I think the original poster wants a wireless network in his house, and
>wants to know if a "standard" adsl wireless router can be used. I
>believe that he'd have to purchase something called a wireless cable
>broadband router, rather than a standard adsl wireless router. Maybe
>he can buy a wireless router that will distribute the output from his
>NTL supplied modem from the ethernet port, but I'd imagine a standard
>ADSL wireless router would not do this...

Indeed - my friend has been provided with Broadband by NTL (In the
Swansea/Neath franchise area)

He has the modem that NTL has provided which serves a desktop PC. He
wnats to be able to access the broadband service from his wireless
equipped laptop. To do this he either wants to replace the NTL
provided modem, or tag on an additional router that would give him
cable access to the desktop PC and wirelss access to his laptop.

If I understand correctly the replies to my original post, a "normal"
ADSL Modem/Router will not work and he will need to buy a Cable
Modem/Router.

Something similiar to:

US Robotics MAXg Wireless Router

or

Belkin 802.11g Wireless Cable/DSL Internet Gateway Router

Peter wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:17:02 +0000, (E-Mail Removed)lid wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:25:48 +0000, Phil Thompson
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:10:14 +0000, Peter
>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is the NTL service compatible with normal broadband kit?
>>>
>>> it provides an ethernet connection, so anything expecting to see
>>> ethernet on its RJ45 WAN connection will be happy.
>>
>> Unless NTL has changed in the last year, the standard cable modem
>> they produce can be connected to the PC via either Ethernet or USB.
>>
>> I think the original poster wants a wireless network in his house,
>> and wants to know if a "standard" adsl wireless router can be used. I
>> believe that he'd have to purchase something called a wireless cable
>> broadband router, rather than a standard adsl wireless router. Maybe
>> he can buy a wireless router that will distribute the output from his
>> NTL supplied modem from the ethernet port, but I'd imagine a standard
>> ADSL wireless router would not do this...
>
> Indeed - my friend has been provided with Broadband by NTL (In the
> Swansea/Neath franchise area)
>
> He has the modem that NTL has provided which serves a desktop PC. He
> wnats to be able to access the broadband service from his wireless
> equipped laptop. To do this he either wants to replace the NTL
> provided modem, or tag on an additional router that would give him
> cable access to the desktop PC and wirelss access to his laptop.
>
> If I understand correctly the replies to my original post, a "normal"
> ADSL Modem/Router will not work and he will need to buy a Cable
> Modem/Router.

A router is a router, an ADSL router is used for ADSL but it isn't
normal in any shape or size. In fact the router which you will need for
your NTL connection could be better classed as normal rather than an
ADSL one as they have been in use the longest.

You will not be able to change the modem, unless you can buy one from an
ex NTL/Telewest customer, but then you will have problems getting NTL
allow you to use it anyway, so stick with what you've got. After that
you will need an Ethernet wifi router or an ethernet router & a wifi
access point.

No recommendations though as until recently I would have gone for
Netgear but some of the newer kit appears to be a little shaky until you
upgrade the firmware/software running the box, an easy job once you've
done it a couple of times but can be very worrying for the first
couple...