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Hi,
Apologies for posting this here after posting it in the dns group, but i am not sure if its a dns problem. I have a W2003 server named "fax-server", on our NT4 domain. Its not got any special roles. When I ping it from a W98 client, it returns the IP address of www.fax-server.co.uk. This is an external IP address on the Internet, looks nothing at all like what it should. Other servers are ok, they return the local IP address. The domain is connected to the Internet, so the ping program is looking on the Internet first? Or couldn't resolve the name locally so it looks outside? I assume this means that the Wins system is not working properly, but not being a wins expert, could anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks S |
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Robert L [MS-MVP]
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you have a dns issue. posting the result of ipconfig /all from 2003 server
will help. -- For more and other information, go to http://www.ChicagoTech.net Don't send e-mail or reply to me except you need consulting services. Posting on MS newsgroup will benefit all readers and you may get more help. Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN, Anti-Virus, Tips & Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net Networking Solutions, http://www.chicagotech.net/networksolutions.htm VPN Solutions, http://www.chicagotech.net/vpnsolutions.htm VPN Process and Error Analysis, http://www.chicagotech.net/VPN%20process.htm VPN Troubleshooting, http://www.chicagotech.net/vpn.htm This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties. "SW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)... > Hi, > > Apologies for posting this here after posting it in the dns group, but i > am > not sure if its a dns problem. > > I have a W2003 server named "fax-server", on our NT4 domain. Its not got > any > special roles. When I ping it from a W98 client, it returns the IP address > of www.fax-server.co.uk. This is an external IP address on the Internet, > looks nothing at all like what it should. Other servers are ok, they > return > the local IP > address. The domain is connected to the Internet, so the ping program is > looking on the Internet first? Or couldn't resolve the name locally so it > looks outside? > > I assume this means that the Wins system is not working properly, but not > being a wins expert, could anyone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks > S > > > |
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SW
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As requested, thanks for the help.
Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : FAX-SERVER Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk co.uk Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/1000 XT Network Connection Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-1F-68-DA-B7 Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 S Server Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0E-0C-58-AC-A0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.8 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 "Robert L [MS-MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)... > you have a dns issue. posting the result of ipconfig /all from 2003 server > will help. > > -- > For more and other information, go to http://www.ChicagoTech.net > > Don't send e-mail or reply to me except you need consulting services. > Posting on MS newsgroup will benefit all readers and you may get more help. > > Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE > Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN, Anti-Virus, Tips & Troubleshooting on > http://www.ChicagoTech.net > Networking Solutions, http://www.chicagotech.net/networksolutions.htm > VPN Solutions, http://www.chicagotech.net/vpnsolutions.htm > VPN Process and Error Analysis, http://www.chicagotech.net/VPN%20process.htm > VPN Troubleshooting, http://www.chicagotech.net/vpn.htm > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties. > "SW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news:(E-Mail Removed)... > > Hi, > > > > Apologies for posting this here after posting it in the dns group, but i > > am > > not sure if its a dns problem. > > > > I have a W2003 server named "fax-server", on our NT4 domain. Its not got > > any > > special roles. When I ping it from a W98 client, it returns the IP address > > of www.fax-server.co.uk. This is an external IP address on the Internet, > > looks nothing at all like what it should. Other servers are ok, they > > return > > the local IP > > address. The domain is connected to the Internet, so the ping program is > > looking on the Internet first? Or couldn't resolve the name locally so it > > looks outside? > > > > I assume this means that the Wins system is not working properly, but not > > being a wins expert, could anyone point me in the right direction? > > > > Thanks > > S > > > > > > > > |
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Mark-Allen Perry
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Ok, I'm no network expert but isn't the domain search list going to look at "ourdomn1.co.uk" FIRST to resolve and then go up the network?
And isn't the IP addresses part of the public Internet range? This looks strange. Can you do an IPCONFIG /ALL on the W98 machine and post? And if you go to another machine that resolves correct, what are the IPCONFIG values? -- Always try the MS KB first before posting. MS KB: http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;KBHOWTO And the answer could have already been posted, so try searching this and other newsgroups first. ---- Mark-Allen Perry ALPHA Systems Marly, Switzerland mark-allen_AT_mvps_DOT_org "SW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:%(E-Mail Removed)... As requested, thanks for the help. Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : FAX-SERVER Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk co.uk Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/1000 XT Network Connection Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-1F-68-DA-B7 Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 S Server Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0E-0C-58-AC-A0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.8 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 "Robert L [MS-MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)... > you have a dns issue. posting the result of ipconfig /all from 2003 server > will help. > > -- > For more and other information, go to http://www.ChicagoTech.net > > Don't send e-mail or reply to me except you need consulting services. > Posting on MS newsgroup will benefit all readers and you may get more help. > > Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE > Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN, Anti-Virus, Tips & Troubleshooting on > http://www.ChicagoTech.net > Networking Solutions, http://www.chicagotech.net/networksolutions.htm > VPN Solutions, http://www.chicagotech.net/vpnsolutions.htm > VPN Process and Error Analysis, http://www.chicagotech.net/VPN%20process.htm > VPN Troubleshooting, http://www.chicagotech.net/vpn.htm > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties. > "SW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news:(E-Mail Removed)... > > Hi, > > > > Apologies for posting this here after posting it in the dns group, but i > > am > > not sure if its a dns problem. > > > > I have a W2003 server named "fax-server", on our NT4 domain. Its not got > > any > > special roles. When I ping it from a W98 client, it returns the IP address > > of www.fax-server.co.uk. This is an external IP address on the Internet, > > looks nothing at all like what it should. Other servers are ok, they > > return > > the local IP > > address. The domain is connected to the Internet, so the ping program is > > looking on the Internet first? Or couldn't resolve the name locally so it > > looks outside? > > > > I assume this means that the Wins system is not working properly, but not > > being a wins expert, could anyone point me in the right direction? > > > > Thanks > > S > > > > > > > > |
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SW
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Here's the ipconfig /all of a 98 PC that has the problem:
Windows 98 IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . : SYSTEM024.ourdomn1.co.uk DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . : IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No 0 Ethernet adapter : Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter. Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 Primary WINS Server . . . . : Secondary WINS Server . . . : Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 1 Ethernet adapter : Description . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet Driver Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-0B-CD-DD-46-42 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.83 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Secondary WINS Server . . . : Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 12 01 04 08:32:08 Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 12 15 04 08:32:08 Here's one from a 2000 server machine that also has the problem: Windows 2000 IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : shadow-server Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk co.uk Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 3: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/1000 CT Network Connection Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0C-76-E3-C1-59 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.4 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 And here's one from one that hasn't the problem (XP SP2): Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : System065 Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : ourdomn1.co.uk Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-1F-5C-59-BF Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.71 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 01 December 2004 03:01:50 Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 15 December 2004 03:01:50 And an xp sp1 machine that doesn't have the problem: Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : System056 Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0D-56-E8-CF-0B Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : ourdomn1.co.uk Description . . . . . . . . . . . : PA090 USB ETHERNET 10/100 Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-05-1B-00-D2-12 Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.122 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 01 December 2004 07:55:57 Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 15 December 2004 07:55:57 Thanks for your help. I was told recently about our IP addresses being in the wrong range (see an earlier post) but I haven't had chance to change that yet. Rgds "Mark-Allen Perry" <mark-allen@mvps_dot_org> wrote in message news:%(E-Mail Removed)... Ok, I'm no network expert but isn't the domain search list going to look at "ourdomn1.co.uk" FIRST to resolve and then go up the network? And isn't the IP addresses part of the public Internet range? This looks strange. Can you do an IPCONFIG /ALL on the W98 machine and post? And if you go to another machine that resolves correct, what are the IPCONFIG values? -- Always try the MS KB first before posting. MS KB: http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;KBHOWTO And the answer could have already been posted, so try searching this and other newsgroups first. ---- Mark-Allen Perry ALPHA Systems Marly, Switzerland mark-allen_AT_mvps_DOT_org "SW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:%(E-Mail Removed)... As requested, thanks for the help. Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : FAX-SERVER Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk co.uk Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/1000 XT Network Connection Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-1F-68-DA-B7 Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 S Server Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0E-0C-58-AC-A0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.8 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 "Robert L [MS-MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)... > you have a dns issue. posting the result of ipconfig /all from 2003 server > will help. > > -- > For more and other information, go to http://www.ChicagoTech.net > > Don't send e-mail or reply to me except you need consulting services. > Posting on MS newsgroup will benefit all readers and you may get more help. > > Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE > Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN, Anti-Virus, Tips & Troubleshooting on > http://www.ChicagoTech.net > Networking Solutions, http://www.chicagotech.net/networksolutions.htm > VPN Solutions, http://www.chicagotech.net/vpnsolutions.htm > VPN Process and Error Analysis, http://www.chicagotech.net/VPN%20process.htm > VPN Troubleshooting, http://www.chicagotech.net/vpn.htm > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties. > "SW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news:(E-Mail Removed)... > > Hi, > > > > Apologies for posting this here after posting it in the dns group, but i > > am > > not sure if its a dns problem. > > > > I have a W2003 server named "fax-server", on our NT4 domain. Its not got > > any > > special roles. When I ping it from a W98 client, it returns the IP address > > of www.fax-server.co.uk. This is an external IP address on the Internet, > > looks nothing at all like what it should. Other servers are ok, they > > return > > the local IP > > address. The domain is connected to the Internet, so the ping program is > > looking on the Internet first? Or couldn't resolve the name locally so it > > looks outside? > > > > I assume this means that the Wins system is not working properly, but not > > being a wins expert, could anyone point me in the right direction? > > > > Thanks > > S > > > > > > > > |
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Mark-Allen Perry
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First off, just a note here. It is not advisable to use special characters in computer names. The computer may handle it but some apps and other computers who connect to it may have problems. If you can change the name and remove the '-' (dash) it would be much better. /rant Ok, I think it's a name resolution problem for sure but with getting too techie, it might be best if you just do a manual fix to see if it works. And then worry about a permanent fix after you change IP subnets. These changes need to be made on each of the 'incorrect' machines. And the method of doing this may be different between W98 (how OLD is that?) and NT4, and W2K and W2K3. But try it on the W2K machine first since I have a version of that running. First check if you're using LMHOSTS lookup; Settings, Network Settings, right-click local network, Properties, TCP/IP, Properties, Advanced, WINS, and see if the box is checked. Any changes that are made to either file and saved, are active immediately. You'll have to make changes to two files, LMHOSTS and HOSTS. These files are for name resolution, and have been around since the dawn of Internet-Time. In fact before DNS, this was the only way to resolve names. They are stored in %sysroot%\system32\drivers\etc. They have NO extension, so don't add any. If you only have a LMHOSTS.SAM, it's the same thing, so copy / paste and rename the new one to "LMHOSTS." (with the dot at the end but no extension). LMHOSTS stands for LAN Manager host file and is for NetBIOS name resolution; meaning short names with not DOTS (.) The cave men designed this file without fire-light. ![]() HOSTS file is for TCP/IP name resolution and contains the FQDN (fully qualified domain name). It's only a generation or two old. Use NOTEPAD.EXE to edit. Not any other editor since it must be in a DOS-Text format. WordPad doesn't do this and maybe your favorite doesn't either, so use NOTEPAD.EXE. Question: are there any entries in either of these files now that you've checked them? This means, are there any lines without a hash (#). Post them for checking. Anyway, add a line to each file; LMHOST with IP address and the name (no dots). Also, add #PRE to the end so it's pre-cached. In HOSTS, you'll place the IP address, then the FQDN (with dots). LMHOSTS example: 128.66.1.8 FAX-SERVER #PRE HOSTS example: 128.66.1.8 fax-server.ourdomn1.co.uk Save both but don't close the NOTEPADs. Go to a Command Prompt and type: PING 128.66.1.8 - this should work since IP will route itself. REMEMBER: computer names are case-INsensitive in Windows. So don't worry about upper or lower-case. PING fax-server - this should work and show the name, it might even show the FQDN. PING fax-server. PING fax-server.ourdomn1.co.uk TRACERT (trace the route): this util should be in \System32 - it walks the route displaying the names and IP addresses. It will always use IP, so the HOSTS file is for this. TRACERT 128.66.1.8 - what happens? TRACERT fax-server TRACERT fax-server.ourdomn1.co.uk Ok, so what happens? What names and IP addresses did you get? Suggestions: Get a good book on networking under Windows (2K, 2K3). Get a few documents from the MS site about designing a domain for W2K3 with a mixture of clients. Get a new NetBIOS domain name for your domain. Get a new IP subnet for your internal network. If you need more details, email me off-line. Hope this helps. -- Always try the MS KB first before posting. MS KB: http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;KBHOWTO And the answer could have already been posted, so try searching this and other newsgroups first. ---- Mark-Allen Perry ALPHA Systems Marly, Switzerland mark-allen_AT_mvps_DOT_org "SW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)... Here's the ipconfig /all of a 98 PC that has the problem: Windows 98 IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . : SYSTEM024.ourdomn1.co.uk DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . : IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No 0 Ethernet adapter : Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter. Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 Primary WINS Server . . . . : Secondary WINS Server . . . : Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 1 Ethernet adapter : Description . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet Driver Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-0B-CD-DD-46-42 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.83 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Secondary WINS Server . . . : Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 12 01 04 08:32:08 Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 12 15 04 08:32:08 Here's one from a 2000 server machine that also has the problem: Windows 2000 IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : shadow-server Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk co.uk Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 3: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/1000 CT Network Connection Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0C-76-E3-C1-59 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.4 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 And here's one from one that hasn't the problem (XP SP2): Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : System065 Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : ourdomn1.co.uk Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-1F-5C-59-BF Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.71 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 01 December 2004 03:01:50 Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 15 December 2004 03:01:50 And an xp sp1 machine that doesn't have the problem: Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : System056 Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0D-56-E8-CF-0B Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : ourdomn1.co.uk Description . . . . . . . . . . . : PA090 USB ETHERNET 10/100 Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-05-1B-00-D2-12 Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.122 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 01 December 2004 07:55:57 Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 15 December 2004 07:55:57 Thanks for your help. I was told recently about our IP addresses being in the wrong range (see an earlier post) but I haven't had chance to change that yet. Rgds "Mark-Allen Perry" <mark-allen@mvps_dot_org> wrote in message news:%(E-Mail Removed)... Ok, I'm no network expert but isn't the domain search list going to look at "ourdomn1.co.uk" FIRST to resolve and then go up the network? And isn't the IP addresses part of the public Internet range? This looks strange. Can you do an IPCONFIG /ALL on the W98 machine and post? And if you go to another machine that resolves correct, what are the IPCONFIG values? -- Always try the MS KB first before posting. MS KB: http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;KBHOWTO And the answer could have already been posted, so try searching this and other newsgroups first. ---- Mark-Allen Perry ALPHA Systems Marly, Switzerland mark-allen_AT_mvps_DOT_org "SW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:%(E-Mail Removed)... As requested, thanks for the help. Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : FAX-SERVER Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk co.uk Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/1000 XT Network Connection Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-1F-68-DA-B7 Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 S Server Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0E-0C-58-AC-A0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.8 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 "Robert L [MS-MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)... > you have a dns issue. posting the result of ipconfig /all from 2003 server > will help. > > -- > For more and other information, go to http://www.ChicagoTech.net > > Don't send e-mail or reply to me except you need consulting services. > Posting on MS newsgroup will benefit all readers and you may get more help. > > Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE > Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN, Anti-Virus, Tips & Troubleshooting on > http://www.ChicagoTech.net > Networking Solutions, http://www.chicagotech.net/networksolutions.htm > VPN Solutions, http://www.chicagotech.net/vpnsolutions.htm > VPN Process and Error Analysis, http://www.chicagotech.net/VPN%20process.htm > VPN Troubleshooting, http://www.chicagotech.net/vpn.htm > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties. > "SW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news:(E-Mail Removed)... > > Hi, > > > > Apologies for posting this here after posting it in the dns group, but i > > am > > not sure if its a dns problem. > > > > I have a W2003 server named "fax-server", on our NT4 domain. Its not got > > any > > special roles. When I ping it from a W98 client, it returns the IP address > > of www.fax-server.co.uk. This is an external IP address on the Internet, > > looks nothing at all like what it should. Other servers are ok, they > > return > > the local IP > > address. The domain is connected to the Internet, so the ping program is > > looking on the Internet first? Or couldn't resolve the name locally so it > > looks outside? > > > > I assume this means that the Wins system is not working properly, but not > > being a wins expert, could anyone point me in the right direction? > > > > Thanks > > S > > > > > > > > |
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I replied to mark-allen at mvps dot org as you suggested below, but no reply. Anyway, I've taken your advice and the hosts file entries cured the problem. Tracert for 128.66.1.8 and fax-server does just what it should, it goes straight there and resolves the name. Tracert and ping for fax-server.ourdomn1.co.uk returns a "host unknown" message. I guess this is because I'm not using AD? Thanks for your help and recommendations. Would you be able to recommend any books in particular for networking help? Why do you say rename the domain? Regards SW "Mark-Allen Perry" <mark-allen@mvps_dot_org> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)... First off, just a note here. It is not advisable to use special characters in computer names. The computer may handle it but some apps and other computers who connect to it may have problems. If you can change the name and remove the '-' (dash) it would be much better. /rant Ok, I think it's a name resolution problem for sure but with getting too techie, it might be best if you just do a manual fix to see if it works. And then worry about a permanent fix after you change IP subnets. These changes need to be made on each of the 'incorrect' machines. And the method of doing this may be different between W98 (how OLD is that?) and NT4, and W2K and W2K3. But try it on the W2K machine first since I have a version of that running. First check if you're using LMHOSTS lookup; Settings, Network Settings, right-click local network, Properties, TCP/IP, Properties, Advanced, WINS, and see if the box is checked. Any changes that are made to either file and saved, are active immediately. You'll have to make changes to two files, LMHOSTS and HOSTS. These files are for name resolution, and have been around since the dawn of Internet-Time. In fact before DNS, this was the only way to resolve names. They are stored in %sysroot%\system32\drivers\etc. They have NO extension, so don't add any. If you only have a LMHOSTS.SAM, it's the same thing, so copy / paste and rename the new one to "LMHOSTS." (with the dot at the end but no extension). LMHOSTS stands for LAN Manager host file and is for NetBIOS name resolution; meaning short names with not DOTS (.) The cave men designed this file without fire-light. ![]() HOSTS file is for TCP/IP name resolution and contains the FQDN (fully qualified domain name). It's only a generation or two old. Use NOTEPAD.EXE to edit. Not any other editor since it must be in a DOS-Text format. WordPad doesn't do this and maybe your favorite doesn't either, so use NOTEPAD.EXE. Question: are there any entries in either of these files now that you've checked them? This means, are there any lines without a hash (#). Post them for checking. Anyway, add a line to each file; LMHOST with IP address and the name (no dots). Also, add #PRE to the end so it's pre-cached. In HOSTS, you'll place the IP address, then the FQDN (with dots). LMHOSTS example: 128.66.1.8 FAX-SERVER #PRE HOSTS example: 128.66.1.8 fax-server.ourdomn1.co.uk Save both but don't close the NOTEPADs. Go to a Command Prompt and type: PING 128.66.1.8 - this should work since IP will route itself. REMEMBER: computer names are case-INsensitive in Windows. So don't worry about upper or lower-case. PING fax-server - this should work and show the name, it might even show the FQDN. PING fax-server. PING fax-server.ourdomn1.co.uk TRACERT (trace the route): this util should be in \System32 - it walks the route displaying the names and IP addresses. It will always use IP, so the HOSTS file is for this. TRACERT 128.66.1.8 - what happens? TRACERT fax-server TRACERT fax-server.ourdomn1.co.uk Ok, so what happens? What names and IP addresses did you get? Suggestions: Get a good book on networking under Windows (2K, 2K3). Get a few documents from the MS site about designing a domain for W2K3 with a mixture of clients. Get a new NetBIOS domain name for your domain. Get a new IP subnet for your internal network. If you need more details, email me off-line. Hope this helps. -- Always try the MS KB first before posting. MS KB: http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;KBHOWTO And the answer could have already been posted, so try searching this and other newsgroups first. ---- Mark-Allen Perry ALPHA Systems Marly, Switzerland mark-allen_AT_mvps_DOT_org "SW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)... Here's the ipconfig /all of a 98 PC that has the problem: Windows 98 IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . : SYSTEM024.ourdomn1.co.uk DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . : IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No 0 Ethernet adapter : Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter. Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 Primary WINS Server . . . . : Secondary WINS Server . . . : Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 1 Ethernet adapter : Description . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet Driver Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-0B-CD-DD-46-42 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.83 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Secondary WINS Server . . . : Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 12 01 04 08:32:08 Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 12 15 04 08:32:08 Here's one from a 2000 server machine that also has the problem: Windows 2000 IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : shadow-server Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk co.uk Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 3: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/1000 CT Network Connection Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0C-76-E3-C1-59 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.4 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 And here's one from one that hasn't the problem (XP SP2): Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : System065 Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : ourdomn1.co.uk Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-1F-5C-59-BF Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.71 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 01 December 2004 03:01:50 Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 15 December 2004 03:01:50 And an xp sp1 machine that doesn't have the problem: Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : System056 Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0D-56-E8-CF-0B Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : ourdomn1.co.uk Description . . . . . . . . . . . : PA090 USB ETHERNET 10/100 Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-05-1B-00-D2-12 Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.122 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 01 December 2004 07:55:57 Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 15 December 2004 07:55:57 Thanks for your help. I was told recently about our IP addresses being in the wrong range (see an earlier post) but I haven't had chance to change that yet. Rgds "Mark-Allen Perry" <mark-allen@mvps_dot_org> wrote in message news:%(E-Mail Removed)... Ok, I'm no network expert but isn't the domain search list going to look at "ourdomn1.co.uk" FIRST to resolve and then go up the network? And isn't the IP addresses part of the public Internet range? This looks strange. Can you do an IPCONFIG /ALL on the W98 machine and post? And if you go to another machine that resolves correct, what are the IPCONFIG values? -- Always try the MS KB first before posting. MS KB: http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;KBHOWTO And the answer could have already been posted, so try searching this and other newsgroups first. ---- Mark-Allen Perry ALPHA Systems Marly, Switzerland mark-allen_AT_mvps_DOT_org "SW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:%(E-Mail Removed)... As requested, thanks for the help. Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : FAX-SERVER Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : ourdomn1.co.uk co.uk Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/1000 XT Network Connection Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-1F-68-DA-B7 Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 S Server Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0E-0C-58-AC-A0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.8 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.250 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 128.66.1.5 "Robert L [MS-MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)... > you have a dns issue. posting the result of ipconfig /all from 2003 server > will help. > > -- > For more and other information, go to http://www.ChicagoTech.net > > Don't send e-mail or reply to me except you need consulting services. > Posting on MS newsgroup will benefit all readers and you may get more help. > > Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE > Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN, Anti-Virus, Tips & Troubleshooting on > http://www.ChicagoTech.net > Networking Solutions, http://www.chicagotech.net/networksolutions.htm > VPN Solutions, http://www.chicagotech.net/vpnsolutions.htm > VPN Process and Error Analysis, http://www.chicagotech.net/VPN%20process.htm > VPN Troubleshooting, http://www.chicagotech.net/vpn.htm > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties. > "SW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news:(E-Mail Removed)... > > Hi, > > > > Apologies for posting this here after posting it in the dns group, but i > > am > > not sure if its a dns problem. > > > > I have a W2003 server named "fax-server", on our NT4 domain. Its not got > > any > > special roles. When I ping it from a W98 client, it returns the IP address > > of www.fax-server.co.uk. This is an external IP address on the Internet, > > looks nothing at all like what it should. Other servers are ok, they > > return > > the local IP > > address. The domain is connected to the Internet, so the ping program is > > looking on the Internet first? Or couldn't resolve the name locally so it > > looks outside? > > > > I assume this means that the Wins system is not working properly, but not > > being a wins expert, could anyone point me in the right direction? > > > > Thanks > > S > > > > > > > > |
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