Noobie with 2 win98 PC's & ntl cable...let's off road!

Well, _that's_ a silly title.

Anyway, I have never done any networking before, and am barely confident
enough to get under the hood to add memory, but I am willing to try
anything (I think).

Materials:
15m. of Cat 5e cable, in two 7.5 stretches;
mcse 10/100 ethernet cardCAT 5 rj inline coupler to connect the cable;
2 PCs with Win 98;
NTL 600mbps cable connection.

Please bear in mind with any advice that i am confident that i can do
this...just not that confident! I'll ask back for any clarification on
terms,

Thx in advance...
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administering medicine to the dead." -- Thomas Paine

The best that the Bush Administration can come up with now is "don't
switch horsemen mid-apocalypse".

oxfordboy1000 wrote:

> Well, _that's_ a silly title.
>
> Anyway, I have never done any networking before, and am barely confident
> enough to get under the hood to add memory, but I am willing to try
> anything (I think).
>
> Materials:
> 15m. of Cat 5e cable, in two 7.5 stretches;
> mcse 10/100 ethernet cardCAT 5 rj inline coupler to connect the cable;
> 2 PCs with Win 98;
> NTL 600mbps cable connection.
>
> Please bear in mind with any advice that i am confident that i can do
> this...just not that confident! I'll ask back for any clarification on
> terms,
>
> Thx in advance...
Oh yeah - what do I want to achieve?

Well, internet connection sharing vis cable modem: essential;
file sharing: optional (I would like to use one PC as a server for mp3s
to the other), but desirable.
printer sharing: optional, but desirable.

Neither PC needed for gaming, mostly for surfing and d/l music. The
newer one (the main connection or hub) also has a cd-r/rw, but the
floppy is fucked. Both PCs have USB (1.0, I think - or is it 1.1?), the
newer one with 4, older with 2 ports. If motherboard info is needed, i
will have to ask for help.

God, why would you even wanna help? (",)

- john

--

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like
administering medicine to the dead." -- Thomas Paine

The best that the Bush Administration can come up with now is "don't
switch horsemen mid-apocalypse".

In article <b6pCc.302$(E-Mail Removed)>,
"oxfordboy1000" (E-Mail Removed) says...
> oxfordboy1000 wrote:
>
> > Well, _that's_ a silly title.
> >
> > Anyway, I have never done any networking before, and am barely confident
> > enough to get under the hood to add memory, but I am willing to try
> > anything (I think).
> >
> > Materials:
> > 15m. of Cat 5e cable, in two 7.5 stretches;
> > mcse 10/100 ethernet cardCAT 5 rj inline coupler to connect the cable;
> > 2 PCs with Win 98;
> > NTL 600mbps cable connection.
> >
> > Please bear in mind with any advice that i am confident that i can do
> > this...just not that confident! I'll ask back for any clarification on
> > terms,
> >
> > Thx in advance...
> Oh yeah - what do I want to achieve?
>
> Well, internet connection sharing vis cable modem: essential;
> file sharing: optional (I would like to use one PC as a server for mp3s
> to the other), but desirable.
> printer sharing: optional, but desirable.
>
It's difficult to know where to start, so let's start with the basics.

[a] Hardware router
Plug router into modem, plug PCs into router, set PCs to use DHCP.

[b] Software router on machine that has Windows ICS
Plug ICS machine into modem, plug other machine into ICS machine, set it
to use DHCP.
The disadvantage of this method is that the machine with the routing
software has to be running for the other machine to connect.

[c] Software router without Windows ICS
Obtain something like Winroute, otherwise pretty similar to [b]

[d] Proxy
As [b] and [c] but not as flexible
Have a look at stuff like AnalogX Proxy, which is free.

[e] Linux
Okay, maybe not yet.

In all cases (except [e]) file and printer sharing is just a matter of
installing the relevant Windows components and configuring them. With
all but [a] you can connect the server to the modem using USB but from
what I've read it's better to use ethernet, so you might want a second
network card in the server machine.

oxfordboy1000 <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<b6pCc.302$(E-Mail Removed)>...
> oxfordboy1000 wrote:
>
> > Well, _that's_ a silly title.
> >
> > Anyway, I have never done any networking before, and am barely confident
> > enough to get under the hood to add memory, but I am willing to try
> > anything (I think).
> >
> > Materials:
> > 15m. of Cat 5e cable, in two 7.5 stretches;
> > mcse 10/100 ethernet cardCAT 5 rj inline coupler to connect the cable;
> > 2 PCs with Win 98;
> > NTL 600mbps cable connection.
> >
> > Please bear in mind with any advice that i am confident that i can do
> > this...just not that confident! I'll ask back for any clarification on
> > terms,
> >
> > Thx in advance...
> Oh yeah - what do I want to achieve?
>
> Well, internet connection sharing vis cable modem: essential;
> file sharing: optional (I would like to use one PC as a server for mp3s
> to the other), but desirable.
> printer sharing: optional, but desirable.
>
> Neither PC needed for gaming, mostly for surfing and d/l music. The
> newer one (the main connection or hub) also has a cd-r/rw, but the
> floppy is fucked. Both PCs have USB (1.0, I think - or is it 1.1?), the
> newer one with 4, older with 2 ports. If motherboard info is needed, i
> will have to ask for help.
>
> God, why would you even wanna help? (",)
>
> - john

Here's the setup I had at home when I first started networking; modify
it to your circumstances if you wish :-)

Similar machines to yours (one new one, one older), but both with
Win2K and ADSL.

- older machine with PCI modem _and_ network card, up in the attic.
Bear in mind that if you want the second machine to have an 'always
on' internet connection, the first machine (gateway) will also need to
be always on. Hence using the older machine as a gateway up in the
attic.

- set the older machine to your internet connection settings, and
there should be a tab there that sets it to ICS.

- to connect your two machines directly you'll need a crossover cable,
not a straight ethernet cable. You can buy a crossover connector, but
a new cable is just as cheap. Spending more money gets you a
hub/switch/router (delete as necessary), but I won't go into that
here.

- set the second machine's internet connection to use the Lan.

That's all there is to setting it up. Then there's the software side
of things:
- Firewall on the gateway machine, try zonealarm. Set it up and
configure it _before_ you connect to the net ;-) www.zonelabs.com

- VNC server on the gateway, and client on the second pc. This enables
you to view and work on the desktop of the attic-based server
www.uk.research.att.com/vnc

- binaries newsreader, ftp server, other filesharing progs etc on the
server. Set them up in the evening via VNC to download overnight so
you can turn your main PC off and get some sleep at night....

For setting up filesharing between pcs, etc, refer to
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/


Cheap as chips!

Shano

Shano wrote:

> oxfordboy1000 <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<b6pCc.302$(E-Mail Removed)>...
>
>>oxfordboy1000 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Well, _that's_ a silly title.
>>>
>>>Anyway, I have never done any networking before, and am barely confident
>>>enough to get under the hood to add memory, but I am willing to try
>>>anything (I think).
>>>
>>>Materials:
>>>15m. of Cat 5e cable, in two 7.5 stretches;
>>>mcse 10/100 ethernet cardCAT 5 rj inline coupler to connect the cable;
>>>2 PCs with Win 98;
>>>NTL 600mbps cable connection.
>>>
>>>Please bear in mind with any advice that i am confident that i can do
>>>this...just not that confident! I'll ask back for any clarification on
>>>terms,
>>>
>>>Thx in advance...
>>
>>Oh yeah - what do I want to achieve?
>>
>>Well, internet connection sharing vis cable modem: essential;
>>file sharing: optional (I would like to use one PC as a server for mp3s
>>to the other), but desirable.
>>printer sharing: optional, but desirable.
>>
>>Neither PC needed for gaming, mostly for surfing and d/l music. The
>>newer one (the main connection or hub) also has a cd-r/rw, but the
>>floppy is fucked. Both PCs have USB (1.0, I think - or is it 1.1?), the
>>newer one with 4, older with 2 ports. If motherboard info is needed, i
>>will have to ask for help.
>>
>>God, why would you even wanna help? (",)
>>
>> - john
>
>
> Here's the setup I had at home when I first started networking; modify
> it to your circumstances if you wish :-)
>
> Similar machines to yours (one new one, one older), but both with
> Win2K and ADSL.
>
> - older machine with PCI modem _and_ network card, up in the attic.
> Bear in mind that if you want the second machine to have an 'always
> on' internet connection, the first machine (gateway) will also need to
> be always on. Hence using the older machine as a gateway up in the
> attic.
>
> - set the older machine to your internet connection settings, and
> there should be a tab there that sets it to ICS.
>
> - to connect your two machines directly you'll need a crossover cable,
> not a straight ethernet cable. You can buy a crossover connector, but
> a new cable is just as cheap. Spending more money gets you a
> hub/switch/router (delete as necessary), but I won't go into that
> here.
>
> - set the second machine's internet connection to use the Lan.
>
> That's all there is to setting it up. Then there's the software side
> of things:
> - Firewall on the gateway machine, try zonealarm. Set it up and
> configure it _before_ you connect to the net ;-) www.zonelabs.com
>
> - VNC server on the gateway, and client on the second pc. This enables
> you to view and work on the desktop of the attic-based server
> www.uk.research.att.com/vnc
>
> - binaries newsreader, ftp server, other filesharing progs etc on the
> server. Set them up in the evening via VNC to download overnight so
> you can turn your main PC off and get some sleep at night....
>
> For setting up filesharing between pcs, etc, refer to
> http://www.practicallynetworked.com/
>
>
> Cheap as chips!
>
> Shano
Thx shano, but that doesnt make so much sense as the earlier reply
(mainly cos i have win98, want to use both pc's as pcs - one for me, one
for my dotter).

I want us both to have cable access to the net, so she will have to come
thru my machine, I use a USB port to connect to the cable modem. I don't
know if that means that we both need (zonealarm/adaware/avg). I do know
that I don't want a loss of performane - d/l speeds for her music
shouldnt be affected if poss.

--

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like
administering medicine to the dead." -- Thomas Paine

The best that the Bush Administration can come up with now is "don't
switch horsemen mid-apocalypse".