newbie router/cable question

I need help cabling up a system running 2003 standard to run software
firewall with one internal nic and one pci 3com nic. I ran Cat5 from ISP
router to a double port wall jack in my office and terminated according to
color code on jack. Both ends are straight through. I also ran straight
through from switch to the internal nic.

My questions are as follows:
1. Can I do the following scenario? I was thinking of going from internal
nic to ISP router and 1 pci nic to a netgear router, then to a switch. Why? I
guess maybe redundancy and less administration. I have netgear router setup
just the way I want it. Where I work they bought this software firewall that
needs to be implemented. I guess most people would just use this system to
allow (or not) access outside to the public with software firewall. If this
scenario is possible, would both runs need to be cross-over to our router?
2. Does Cat5 from ISP router to wall jack need to be straight through or
cross-over. If cross-over, is there such a jack that terminates? Both nics
have straight through to wall jacks and wall jacks to ISP router and my
switch.

I can get to the internet with cable (straight through) to the switch, but
not the other straight through going to the ISP router. Both ISP router and
ours are in another part of building.

Any help would be appreciated

"teddkilroy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:0EC3F3CE-DF04-4792-9128-(E-Mail Removed)...
> 1. Can I do the following scenario? I was thinking of going from internal
> nic to ISP router and 1 pci nic to a netgear router, then to a switch.
Why? I
> guess maybe redundancy and less administration.

No. It just doesn't work that way. Two nics will not "load balance" and
they will not be redundant. The exception would be special Nics that are
specifically designed for what is called "Nic Teaming" and come with the
drivers/software to make it all "happen". Even with Nic teaming there would
still only be on broadband device being used.

175767 - Expected Behavior of Multiple Adapters on Same Network
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;175767

159168 - Multiple Default Gateways Can Cause Connectivity Problems
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/159168/EN-US/

157025 - Default Gateway Configuration for Multihomed Computers
http://support.microsoft.com/default...roduct=win2000

Default Gateway Behavior for Windows TCP/IP
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/com...uy/cg0903.mspx

> 2. Does Cat5 from ISP router to wall jack need to be straight through or
> cross-over. If cross-over, is there such a jack that terminates? Both nics
> have straight through to wall jacks and wall jacks to ISP router and my
> switch.

Straight through cables.

--
Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com
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Understanding the ISA 2004 Access Rule Processing
http://www.isaserver.org/articles/IS...cessRules.html

Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Guidance
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2004.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2000.asp

Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Partners
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/partners/default.asp

Deployment Guidelines for ISA Server 2004 Enterprise Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...isaserver.mspx
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Not to hard headed but..........what about straight through cable from ISP
router to pci 3com with a static ISP IP(public). Then straight through cable
to my netgear router using assign reserve IP from netgear. Then router cross
over to switch. It sounds from
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;175767 it is possible.

"Phillip Windell" wrote:

>
> "teddkilroy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:0EC3F3CE-DF04-4792-9128-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > 1. Can I do the following scenario? I was thinking of going from internal
> > nic to ISP router and 1 pci nic to a netgear router, then to a switch.
> Why? I
> > guess maybe redundancy and less administration.
>
> No. It just doesn't work that way. Two nics will not "load balance" and
> they will not be redundant. The exception would be special Nics that are
> specifically designed for what is called "Nic Teaming" and come with the
> drivers/software to make it all "happen". Even with Nic teaming there would
> still only be on broadband device being used.
>
> 175767 - Expected Behavior of Multiple Adapters on Same Network
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;175767
>
> 159168 - Multiple Default Gateways Can Cause Connectivity Problems
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/159168/EN-US/
>
> 157025 - Default Gateway Configuration for Multihomed Computers
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...roduct=win2000
>
> Default Gateway Behavior for Windows TCP/IP
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/com...uy/cg0903.mspx
>
> > 2. Does Cat5 from ISP router to wall jack need to be straight through or
> > cross-over. If cross-over, is there such a jack that terminates? Both nics
> > have straight through to wall jacks and wall jacks to ISP router and my
> > switch.
>
> Straight through cables.
>
> --
> Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> www.wandtv.com
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Understanding the ISA 2004 Access Rule Processing
> http://www.isaserver.org/articles/IS...cessRules.html
>
> Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Guidance
> http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2004.asp
> http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2000.asp
>
> Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Partners
> http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/partners/default.asp
>
> Deployment Guidelines for ISA Server 2004 Enterprise Edition
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...isaserver.mspx
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>

"teddkilroy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:2B049DA8-8A86-45F6-81A3-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Not to hard headed but..........what about straight through cable from ISP
> router to pci 3com with a static ISP IP(public). Then straight through
cable
> to my netgear router using assign reserve IP from netgear. Then router
cross
> over to switch. It sounds from
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;175767 it is
possible.

Straight-Through vs Cross-Over cables has to do with the type of hardware
connecting together. It doesn't have anything to do with ISPs and what kind
of IP# something uses.

(If I'm spelling my acronyms accuartely)

DTE-to-DCE = Straight Through cable
DTE-to-DTE or DCE-to-DCE = Crossover cable

(Tranlastion to "real world")

Nic directly to another Nic = Crossover
Nic to a switch, hub, router = Straight Through
Switch, hub to switch, hub = (depends on the hardware) Normally a Crossover
cable, but if the devices have an Uplink MDIX port or an Uplink toggle
switch then a Straight-through can be used.

--
Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com