newbe question: I know wireless is slower but......

Bob Stanish wrote:
> Hi,
> I just connected up a wireless router to my DSL system. It's an INEXQ
> model ISW54U (802-11G) and found that the performance is MUCH slower
> than without it. My desktop, which is connected via hardwired
> Ethernet cable to the router, is experiencing network speeds that are
> only 1/4 of what they are if I directly connect it to my cable modem.
>
> I know that wireless adds overhead etc. but this is really a bit
> much. But as I said, I'm a newbe so perhaps it's just my
> expectations? Am I being too demanding or is there something wrong
> that I should be trying to debug?

There's definately something wrong... Shouldn't effect performance more than
maybe 5-10%...

Hi,
I just connected up a wireless router to my DSL system. It's an INEXQ model
ISW54U (802-11G) and found that the performance is MUCH slower than without
it. My desktop, which is connected via hardwired Ethernet cable to the
router, is experiencing network speeds that are only 1/4 of what they are if
I directly connect it to my cable modem.

I know that wireless adds overhead etc. but this is really a bit much. But
as I said, I'm a newbe so perhaps it's just my expectations? Am I being too
demanding or is there something wrong that I should be trying to debug?

I've never had DSL, but I've had cable internet access for years and
I've used several routers of varying brands. Still, I have never
noticed any noticeable lag in speed due to those routers. Then again,
I'm a tinkerer. I play with all of settings just to see what they do
and how they affect performance. Having said that, it is my
recommendation that you read the manual and learn what each setting
does. Questions: Are you noticing a lag in speed wirelessly? If so,
what about from a computer that is connected directly to the router via
ethernet cable? Is it lagging, too. Do you have a PPPoe connection
and if so, did you check the PPPoe setting in the router's menu? What
OS are you using? Let us know so that we can best provide you with the
pertinent answers you seek.


--
doug Jamal
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Bob Stanish wrote:

>Hi,
>I just connected up a wireless router to my DSL system. It's an INEXQ model
>ISW54U (802-11G) and found that the performance is MUCH slower than without
>it. My desktop, which is connected via hardwired Ethernet cable to the
>router, is experiencing network speeds that are only 1/4 of what they are if
>I directly connect it to my cable modem.
>
> I know that wireless adds overhead etc. but this is really a bit much. But
>as I said, I'm a newbe so perhaps it's just my expectations? Am I being too
>demanding or is there something wrong that I should be trying to debug?
>
>
>
>
Wireless is certainly slower than most networks, but much faster than
DSL or cable speeds. You shouldn't notice any slowdown using Wireless to
access the Internet, but will transfer files, etc. accross your local
network slower.

Check to see if you are having connection problems, interference, etc.

I'm a newbie.
I just hooked up a wireless router and noticed an annoying lag when opening
web pages.

The salesman, where I bought the router, had told me to plug the router
directly into my existing firewall. When I learned that the router itself
was a firewall, I removed my old router and the lag disappeared.

Could that be your problem??


"Bob Stanish" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I just connected up a wireless router to my DSL system. It's an INEXQ
> model ISW54U (802-11G) and found that the performance is MUCH slower than
> without it. My desktop, which is connected via hardwired Ethernet cable
> to the router, is experiencing network speeds that are only 1/4 of what
> they are if I directly connect it to my cable modem.
>
> I know that wireless adds overhead etc. but this is really a bit much.
> But as I said, I'm a newbe so perhaps it's just my expectations? Am I
> being too demanding or is there something wrong that I should be trying to
> debug?
>

"Jerry Park" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Bob Stanish wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >I just connected up a wireless router to my DSL system. It's an
INEXQ model
> >ISW54U (802-11G) and found that the performance is MUCH slower than
without
> >it. My desktop, which is connected via hardwired Ethernet cable to
the
> >router, is experiencing network speeds that are only 1/4 of what
they are if
> >I directly connect it to my cable modem.
> >
> > I know that wireless adds overhead etc. but this is really a bit
much. But
> >as I said, I'm a newbe so perhaps it's just my expectations? Am I
being too
> >demanding or is there something wrong that I should be trying to
debug?

Using DSL, you probably need to adjust the MTU (maximum transmission
unit). If it is incorrect for PPPoE (DSL)
you will have alot of re-transmission and slow things down. Typically
PPPoE dsl is set to 1492. You can check it and adjust it
using DrTCP http://www.dslreports.com/drtcp . 1492 isnt set in
concrete. You may ask your service provider what is the
proper MTU to use.





> Wireless is certainly slower than most networks, but much faster
than
> DSL or cable speeds. You shouldn't notice any slowdown using
Wireless to
> access the Internet, but will transfer files, etc. accross your
local
> network slower.
>
> Check to see if you are having connection problems, interference,
etc.

"Airhead" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Jerry Park" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:kkCCd.12437$(E-Mail Removed).. .
> > Bob Stanish wrote:
> >
> > >Hi,
> > >I just connected up a wireless router to my DSL system. It's an
> INEXQ model
> > >ISW54U (802-11G) and found that the performance is MUCH slower
than
> without
> > >it. My desktop, which is connected via hardwired Ethernet cable
to
> the
> > >router, is experiencing network speeds that are only 1/4 of what
> they are if
> > >I directly connect it to my cable modem.
> > >
> > > I know that wireless adds overhead etc. but this is really a bit
> much. But
> > >as I said, I'm a newbe so perhaps it's just my expectations? Am
I
> being too
> > >demanding or is there something wrong that I should be trying to
> debug?
>
> Using DSL, you probably need to adjust the MTU (maximum transmission
> unit). If it is incorrect for PPPoE (DSL)
> you will have alot of re-transmission and slow things down.
Typically
> PPPoE dsl is set to 1492. You can check it and adjust it
> using DrTCP http://www.dslreports.com/drtcp . 1492 isnt set in
> concrete. You may ask your service provider what is the
> proper MTU to use.

PS. Your router may have an option to set the MTU on it. If so
try this first.













> > Wireless is certainly slower than most networks, but much faster
> than
> > DSL or cable speeds. You shouldn't notice any slowdown using
> Wireless to
> > access the Internet, but will transfer files, etc. accross your
> local
> > network slower.
> >
> > Check to see if you are having connection problems, interference,
> etc.
>

Thanks Peter, I guessed that this was abnormal, but needed confirmation.
Now that I know I've got a problem, I can at least start to take measures to
understand how to fix it.

Defining the problem is 75% of the way to correcting it.

Thanks for the feedback.


"Peter Pan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Bob Stanish wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I just connected up a wireless router to my DSL system. It's an INEXQ
>> model ISW54U (802-11G) and found that the performance is MUCH slower
>> than without it. My desktop, which is connected via hardwired
>> Ethernet cable to the router, is experiencing network speeds that are
>> only 1/4 of what they are if I directly connect it to my cable modem.
>>
>> I know that wireless adds overhead etc. but this is really a bit
>> much. But as I said, I'm a newbe so perhaps it's just my
>> expectations? Am I being too demanding or is there something wrong
>> that I should be trying to debug?
>
> There's definately something wrong... Shouldn't effect performance more
> than maybe 5-10%...
>

Doug,
I'm running Win XP with the latest service pack(SP3) and am connected to
DSL. As I identified in my earlier post, I tested the speed directly
(bypassing the wireless router) and through the router, both times directly
connected (to eliminate any potential transmission/interference issues) and
came up with this throughput discrepancy. About the only explanation I can
come up with is my wireless router introducing a lag.
I checked my router settings and I'm running dynamic IP addressing vs PPPoe.
Could that be the reason I've got a performance problem? The connections
all work...they're just very slow.

..
"doug Jamal" <doug.Jamal.1icnga@WiFi-Forum_dot_com> wrote in message
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>
> I've never had DSL, but I've had cable internet access for years and
> I've used several routers of varying brands. Still, I have never
> noticed any noticeable lag in speed due to those routers. Then again,
> I'm a tinkerer. I play with all of settings just to see what they do
> and how they affect performance. Having said that, it is my
> recommendation that you read the manual and learn what each setting
> does. Questions: Are you noticing a lag in speed wirelessly? If so,
> what about from a computer that is connected directly to the router via
> ethernet cable? Is it lagging, too. Do you have a PPPoe connection
> and if so, did you check the PPPoe setting in the router's menu? What
> OS are you using? Let us know so that we can best provide you with the
> pertinent answers you seek.
>
>
> --
> doug Jamal
> brought to you by http://www.wifi-forum.com/
>

Thanks Ken,
but I thought of that and turned off the firewall feature ( and other
filtering aspects) from the router. I've already got a robust firewall
program on my workstations and the router version was redundant.
Unfortunately it didn't help. Another poster is suggesting that perhaps
I've got the the router incorrectly configured. I'm running dynamic IP
addressing (since I've got several possible laptops that could connect...got
kids...you know.....), vs. PPPoe. I'm not yet sure of the implications of
changing since I have not yet read up on the differences in the settings.
Gotta read up on that....perhaps that's my problem????


"Ken Morano" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I'm a newbie.
> I just hooked up a wireless router and noticed an annoying lag when
> opening web pages.
>
> The salesman, where I bought the router, had told me to plug the router
> directly into my existing firewall. When I learned that the router itself
> was a firewall, I removed my old router and the lag disappeared.
>
> Could that be your problem??
>
>
> "Bob Stanish" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:5YBCd.691633$Pl.522990@pd7tw1no...
>> Hi,
>> I just connected up a wireless router to my DSL system. It's an INEXQ
>> model ISW54U (802-11G) and found that the performance is MUCH slower than
>> without it. My desktop, which is connected via hardwired Ethernet cable
>> to the router, is experiencing network speeds that are only 1/4 of what
>> they are if I directly connect it to my cable modem.
>>
>> I know that wireless adds overhead etc. but this is really a bit much.
>> But as I said, I'm a newbe so perhaps it's just my expectations? Am I
>> being too demanding or is there something wrong that I should be trying
>> to debug?
>>
>
>