new router, old PC cards

I have an old wired network using a:
Netgear DS104 hub and 2 netgear FA310TX PC cards and a DSL modem.
card specs: http://shop.cyberstorage.com/product...roducts_id=314

I've just ordered a:
Netgear Wireless Bundle - WGR614 Router AND WG511 Wireless PC card (so that
I can get my laptop in the 'loop'.)
router specs: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.as...2463&loc=14683

Question:
Can I use the old FA310TX PC cards (in the 2 desktops) with the new WGR614
Router??

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I've also read that I will not need the hub anymore and that I also won't
need any of the "internet connection software" anymore. IE: WinPoet, Zone
Alarm, and whatever else is there?

Question:
What should I uninstall/delete and in what order? (before or after new
wireless install?)
Or should I just disable?
anything else?

I useWin98se.

Thanks for any help or advice.
Tim

"Tim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:17yQb.22518$(E-Mail Removed) link.net:

> I have an old wired network using a:
> Netgear DS104 hub and 2 netgear FA310TX PC cards and a DSL modem.
> card specs:
> http://shop.cyberstorage.com/product...roducts_id=314
>
> I've just ordered a:
> Netgear Wireless Bundle - WGR614 Router AND WG511 Wireless PC card (so
> that I can get my laptop in the 'loop'.)
> router specs:
> http://www.buy.com/retail/product.as...2463&loc=14683
>
> Question:
> Can I use the old FA310TX PC cards (in the 2 desktops) with the new
> WGR614 Router??

The router has 4 RJ45 ports so that 4 wire NIC(s) can be plugged into it.
Your desktop equipment with their network cards.

>
> -----
> I've also read that I will not need the hub anymore and that I also
> won't need any of the "internet connection software" anymore. IE:

This is true the router has a built in switch. But you would need a stand
alone hub or switch if you expand the wired part of the network to
accommodate more than the router's current wired capacity. The router can
control 255 computers that can be connected to multiple chained together
hubs and switches. I have really never found out out the maz number of
wireless machines can be controlled.

http://www.homenethelp.com/web/expla...d-switches.asp

> WinPoet, Zone Alarm, and whatever else is there?
>
> Question:
> What should I uninstall/delete and in what order? (before or after new
> wireless install?)
> Or should I just disable?
> anything else?
>
> I useWin98se.
>

Well, the simple NAT router with SPI is not an appliance with a true
firewall and the wireless side of the router is a security issue to say
the least. There are plenty of articles on Google about Wireless
Security.

That being said about the FW of a NAT router which cannot protect on
outbound connections and doing high risk Internet things like port
forwarding (the NAT router is completly out of the picture on the
protection using PF or the DMZ), you may want to keep ZA on the machines
for the purpose of supplementing the NAT router in that area, along with
ZA helping on the wireless machine's protection.

http://www.homenethelp.com/web/explain/about-NAT.asp

If you want an appliance with a true FW, then it will meet the specs
below and will cost s few $100 more than that Netgear. Like WatchGuard
comes to mind.

http://www.firewall-software.com/fir...rewall_do.html

The protection starts with the O/S and everything else is secondary to it
including the AV, FW, and router. There is nothing good I can say about
the Win 9'x O/S on the protection.

http://www.uksecurityonline.com/husdg/windows9598.php

I'll throw this in on GP.

http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
http://accs-net.com/hosts/HostsToggle/

As for the wireless setup and making wire and wireless machines
communicate and share resources, that's another chapter!

Later!

Duane

Thanks for the response Duane.
However,
90% of it went over my head and I believe 90% of it had nothing to do with
what I was asking.
I truly appreciate the effort though.
Tim


Duane Arnold <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Xns947A82757504Adarnold92insightbbco@216.148. 227.77...
> "Tim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> news:17yQb.22518$(E-Mail Removed) link.net:
>
> > I have an old wired network using a:
> > Netgear DS104 hub and 2 netgear FA310TX PC cards and a DSL modem.
> > card specs:
> > http://shop.cyberstorage.com/product...roducts_id=314
> >
> > I've just ordered a:
> > Netgear Wireless Bundle - WGR614 Router AND WG511 Wireless PC card (so
> > that I can get my laptop in the 'loop'.)
> > router specs:
> > http://www.buy.com/retail/product.as...2463&loc=14683
> >
> > Question:
> > Can I use the old FA310TX PC cards (in the 2 desktops) with the new
> > WGR614 Router??
>
> The router has 4 RJ45 ports so that 4 wire NIC(s) can be plugged into it.
> Your desktop equipment with their network cards.
>
> >
> > -----
> > I've also read that I will not need the hub anymore and that I also
> > won't need any of the "internet connection software" anymore. IE:
>
> This is true the router has a built in switch. But you would need a stand
> alone hub or switch if you expand the wired part of the network to
> accommodate more than the router's current wired capacity. The router can
> control 255 computers that can be connected to multiple chained together
> hubs and switches. I have really never found out out the maz number of
> wireless machines can be controlled.
>
> http://www.homenethelp.com/web/expla...d-switches.asp
>
> > WinPoet, Zone Alarm, and whatever else is there?
> >
> > Question:
> > What should I uninstall/delete and in what order? (before or after new
> > wireless install?)
> > Or should I just disable?
> > anything else?
> >
> > I useWin98se.
> >
>
> Well, the simple NAT router with SPI is not an appliance with a true
> firewall and the wireless side of the router is a security issue to say
> the least. There are plenty of articles on Google about Wireless
> Security.
>
> That being said about the FW of a NAT router which cannot protect on
> outbound connections and doing high risk Internet things like port
> forwarding (the NAT router is completly out of the picture on the
> protection using PF or the DMZ), you may want to keep ZA on the machines
> for the purpose of supplementing the NAT router in that area, along with
> ZA helping on the wireless machine's protection.
>
> http://www.homenethelp.com/web/explain/about-NAT.asp
>
> If you want an appliance with a true FW, then it will meet the specs
> below and will cost s few $100 more than that Netgear. Like WatchGuard
> comes to mind.
>
> http://www.firewall-software.com/fir...rewall_do.html
>
> The protection starts with the O/S and everything else is secondary to it
> including the AV, FW, and router. There is nothing good I can say about
> the Win 9'x O/S on the protection.
>
> http://www.uksecurityonline.com/husdg/windows9598.php
>
> I'll throw this in on GP.
>
> http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
> http://accs-net.com/hosts/HostsToggle/
>
> As for the wireless setup and making wire and wireless machines
> communicate and share resources, that's another chapter!
>
> Later!
>
> Duane
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

"Tim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:bnzQb.23120$(E-Mail Removed) link.net:

> Thanks for the response Duane.
> However,
> 90% of it went over my head and I believe 90% of it had nothing to do
> with what I was asking.
> I truly appreciate the effort though.
> Tim
>
>

I think 98% of it dealt with all of your questions and was right on the
money. Starting off with your old machines will have no problems in using
the wire/wireless router AP to the router is not a real FW in the true
sense and can be easily defeated, especially a router that has wireless
capabilities, unless you recognize the issues and take the proper
measures to protect the network.

The last part was about the protection of the machines period, if it has
an O/S that can be configured to protect itself from attack. Win98se is
not one of them. The protection starts with the O/S and everything else
is secondary to it that includes the protection of the router, FW if any,
and AV. The buck stops at the O/S a NT based O/S such as Win NT, 2K and
XP has the means and Win9'x and ME do not.

The part about the Host is to configure the O/S on the machine from being
attacked as it surfs the Internet, becuase the router is for sure not
going to stop it and the host based FW and AV might -- that's might.

Duane

OK Duane. Thanks.

hmm. Well, I've thought about putting WinXP on my boxes but, I guess I'm
just sort of sick of "upgrading" when it usually turns out to be a
'downgrade'. I'm really not sure if this would be the case with anything
"beyond" Win98 but, that's just how I feel based on:
-My digital audio recording software (Cakewalk) works best on 98.
-I don't want all of Microsofts stupid "upgraded" programs (office etc)
slowing down my computer. I have most of them and try not to load them if at
all possible.
-From what I've heard (don't know if true), that Microsoft OS's beyond 98
get real picky about sharing programs on different computers and other
licensing issues.
-Fear of the unknown :-)

That being said, I'm starting to feel "Billy G's" pressure to upgrade as
programs become more sophisticated and are being written with the newer
operating systems in mind and are not as backwards compatable as one would
hope.

Anyway, for now, I just want to know what I need to do to get the new router
and wireless notebook added to my network while at the same time getting rid
of any programs, dlls, hardware etc. that are redundant and not needed and
slow things down and/or may cause problems.
I guess security is an issue but, for now, I just want to get the thing
working properly. Deal with that later.

As you suggested, I'll keep Zone Alarm loaded.
Also, I noticed that the router comes with: Freedom® Zero-Knowledge Systems
privacy and security software.
Should I use this along with ZA? Instead of?
How about WinPoet? Do I need that ?
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My network configuration screen (control panel) looks like this:

Client for MS networks
Dial-up adapter (has a PoET icon?)
ivasion PoEt adapter
Netgear FA310TX fast ethernet adapter
NDISWAN ivasion adapter
TCP/IP Dial up adapter
TCP/IP NtegearFA310TX fast ethernet pci adapter

Should I remove/uninstall any of these?
---------------------------------

As I said before, I haven't yet gotten the new hardware yet (in the mail).
So, maybe when I get it, all this will have been wasted typing.
Just trying to learn a little before I get it, try to install it, it doesn't
work, therefore no internet connection, therefore nobody like Duane to talk
to to help fix it :-)
thanks
Tim

BTW: my DSL account is with Earthlink.
And, from what I've been reading, they make it very difficult to set up a
LAN wanting instead for the customer to purchase a Home networking solution
for another $$ per month.

Do you know anything about this?
thanks
Tim

Tim wrote:
> BTW: my DSL account is with Earthlink.
> And, from what I've been reading, they make it very difficult to set up a
> LAN wanting instead for the customer to purchase a Home networking
> solution for another $$ per month.
>
> Do you know anything about this?

While they surely prefer for the customer to purchase their home networking
solution, I know of no way that they make it difficult to set up a LAN,
except for not providing support. I've had a network on an
Mindspring/Earthlink system since before DSL was available at my location,
and they have never done anything to make things difficult.

--
John Miller
My email address: domain, n4vu.com; username, jsm

Many people resent being treated like the person they really are.

>
> As you suggested, I'll keep Zone Alarm loaded.

If you're not concerned about outbound connections, which a NAT router with
no true FW can stop (Trojans - Spyware outbound connetcions), then you
don't need ZA. On the wireless computer, you should have ZA. Use Goggle to
search on wireless security for the Home Network environment. You'll get
some pointers.

> Also, I noticed that the router comes with: Freedom® Zero-Knowledge
> Systems privacy and security software.
> Should I use this along with ZA? Instead of?

Crap keep things simple such as AV at the machine level and not something
trying to protect the network. And is not ZA Pro doing some of the other
privacy stuff, which I consider to be crap there as well -- but anyway?

If you need to stop a machine from going to a WEBsite then use the HOST
file. IE: 127.0.0.0.1 www.microsoft.com entry in the Host file will stop
anyone through a browser from going to www.microsoft.com when entered in
the browser address line.


> How about WinPoet? Do I need that ?

You won't need it as the router's Admin screen will allow you to configure
it to access a PPPoE ISP. The MTU (maximum transfer unit) is the maximum
size of data packets that can be transferred across a given physical
network. And the MTU may have to be set, check with the PPPoE ISP for that
setting.

> ------------------
> My network configuration screen (control panel) looks like this:
>
> Client for MS networks
Yes

> Dial-up adapter (has a PoET icon?)
No

> ivasion PoEt adapter
I don't know most likely no.

> Netgear FA310TX fast ethernet adapter

You'll need the NIC's driver installed - most likely it's already
installed.

> NDISWAN ivasion adapter
I don't know most likely no.

> TCP/IP Dial up adapter
No

> TCP/IP NtegearFA310TX fast ethernet pci adapter
>
I don't know check with the manufacture.


Network protocols or service needed:

1) MS File and Print Sharing and put computers into the same WorkGroup to
share resources between machines behind the NAT router.

2) Netbeui or Netbios

3) TCP/IP

4) Set NIC's properties to Obtain a DHCP IP from the router and Obtain DNS
server Auto.

5) Set ZA on each machine to only accept the router's DHCP IP(s) on ports
137-138 UDP and 139 TCP. And 445 (NT only) if NT based O/S is being used.

Limit the number of DHCP IP(s) that can be issued to the number of machines
you have. By doing that, if an IP on the router was hijacked because of
someone using your wireless setup on their behalf, you'll know as one of
your machines will not be able to get an IP. It's not 100%, because someone
could use a static IP on the router. And that's why you should enable
logging on the router and review traffic to and from the router on a
routine basis.

If the DSL ISP is like my Broad Band ISP, then at least one computer with
it's NIC's MAC was provisioned with the ISP so that the machine could
access the ISP's Network. If this is the case, then you can clone that MAC
into the router using its MAC Cloning Feature and the ISP will not know the
difference and all machines connected to the router will be able to access
the ISP using the one IP.

If you do your home work and key is to understand the router and what it
does and how to manipulate it, then you shouldn't have to pay the ISP any
additional cash.

The router should have a Support Knowledge Base Website and there is always
Google on the howto(s) on the router as well.

You mess-up with the router settings, you can old the Reset button down for
30 seconds and it will reset back to the factory defaults.

BTW, I use Linksys. <g>

HTH

Duane