New phone ring

Just a silly little query. Since my line was changed over to DSL Max last
week my phones now ring differently, one single ring with long pauses
between instead of the usual double ring. Is this normal?
I know its not that important, just curious.

NH wrote:
> Just a silly little query. Since my line was changed over to DSL
> Max last week my phones now ring differently, one single ring with
> long pauses between instead of the usual double ring. Is this
> normal? I know its not that important, just curious.

It shouldn't make any difference at all but.....what with the many
variables of what could be on your line (in your house) & then add a
couple/few/several filters with capacitors in them as well it could
make a difference. Just make sure that you've only go the one socket
with the ringing circuit (if you haven't got a NTE5a/b look for a
large cylindrical capacitor, normally yellow, on the circuit board
behind the socket & there should be only one on your circuit) & that
everything is filtered efficiently (least amount of filters used for
maximum affect) you can't really go wrong. Changed one users low
..1Mbps to a 1.4Mbps just by doing that today so it works, you've just
got to know how to join the dots up.

"Kraftee" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> NH wrote:
>> Just a silly little query. Since my line was changed over to DSL
>> Max last week my phones now ring differently, one single ring with
>> long pauses between instead of the usual double ring. Is this
>> normal? I know its not that important, just curious.
>
> It shouldn't make any difference at all but.....what with the many
> variables of what could be on your line (in your house) & then add a
> couple/few/several filters with capacitors in them as well it could make a
> difference. Just make sure that you've only go the one socket with the
> ringing circuit (if you haven't got a NTE5a/b look for a large cylindrical
> capacitor, normally yellow, on the circuit board behind the socket & there
> should be only one on your circuit) & that everything is filtered
> efficiently (least amount of filters used for maximum affect) you can't
> really go wrong. Changed one users low .1Mbps to a 1.4Mbps just by doing
> that today so it works, you've just got to know how to join the dots up.

I can't see how the *same* phone(s) could go from ringing UK-style (ring,
ring [pause] ring, ring) to ringing US-style (ring [longer pause] ring) just
by the addition of microfilters or by changing the house wiring.

Surely the AC ringing current is generated at the exchange and fed to the
phone without being regenerated anywhere except maybe in the phone.

What the phone does with the ring current is another matter - my Panasonic
and BT DECT phones have always given a US-style single ring, probably
because the ring tone is generated locally in the phone handset, triggered
by the base unit sensing the ringing current.

Since DSL was enabled on my line a few years ago, the line has always given
a very brief ring before the main ring(s) - a hard-wired phone goes "r
[pause] ring, ring [pause] ring, ring" and the DECT phones go "r [pause]
ring [longer pause] ring".

Mortimer wrote:
> "Kraftee" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> NH wrote:
>>> Just a silly little query. Since my line was changed over to DSL
>>> Max last week my phones now ring differently, one single ring with
>>> long pauses between instead of the usual double ring. Is this
>>> normal? I know its not that important, just curious.
>>
>> It shouldn't make any difference at all but.....what with the many
>> variables of what could be on your line (in your house) & then add
>> a couple/few/several filters with capacitors in them as well it
>> could make a difference. Just make sure that you've only go the
>> one socket with the ringing circuit (if you haven't got a NTE5a/b
>> look for a large cylindrical capacitor, normally yellow, on the
>> circuit board behind the socket & there should be only one on your
>> circuit) & that everything is filtered efficiently (least amount
>> of filters used for maximum affect) you can't really go wrong.
>> Changed one users low .1Mbps to a 1.4Mbps just by doing that today
>> so it works, you've just got to know how to join the dots up.
>
> I can't see how the *same* phone(s) could go from ringing UK-style
> (ring, ring [pause] ring, ring) to ringing US-style (ring [longer
> pause] ring) just by the addition of microfilters or by changing
> the house wiring.
> Surely the AC ringing current is generated at the exchange and fed
> to the phone without being regenerated anywhere except maybe in the
> phone.
> What the phone does with the ring current is another matter - my
> Panasonic and BT DECT phones have always given a US-style single
> ring, probably because the ring tone is generated locally in the
> phone handset, triggered by the base unit sensing the ringing
> current.
> Since DSL was enabled on my line a few years ago, the line has
> always given a very brief ring before the main ring(s) - a
> hard-wired phone goes "r [pause] ring, ring [pause] ring, ring" and
> the DECT phones go "r [pause] ring [longer pause] ring".

The differences can be caused by leakage from multiple capacitors
each, each one on their own & used correctly would be ok but when used
in multiples it can change your ringing cadance. The last time I met
up with this was on a faint transmision fault & I found 5 system
master sockets as well as an NTE5, when the phones rang it was just
one long ring (it's amazing that the customers hadn't complained about
that as well). Remove the capacitors from all the system master
sockets & ringing went to normal.

Now take that & put it into the scenario which the OP is talking
about, we know nothing about his existing sockets, may be full master
sockets, may be system master sockets, may be normal slave or any
combination of all three & then you put into the mix the filters with
their extra capacitors. I do hope you can see where I'm going.

Yes in an ideal world there should be no change but it's a far from
ideal world so what I suggested could be the cause. I've even known a
leakage to earth from a faulty extension socket create the long ring,
short ring cadance, go figure. Changed the socket & back to normal
once again.

Kraftee wrote:

> Mortimer wrote:
> > "Kraftee" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> NH wrote:
> >>> Just a silly little query. Since my line was changed over to DSL
> >>> Max last week my phones now ring differently, one single ring with
> >>> long pauses between instead of the usual double ring. Is this
> >>> normal? I know its not that important, just curious.
> >>
> >> It shouldn't make any difference at all but.....what with the many
> >> variables of what could be on your line (in your house) & then add
> >> a couple/few/several filters with capacitors in them as well it
> >> could make a difference. Just make sure that you've only go the
> >> one socket with the ringing circuit (if you haven't got a NTE5a/b
> >> look for a large cylindrical capacitor, normally yellow, on the
> >> circuit board behind the socket & there should be only one on your
> >> circuit) & that everything is filtered efficiently (least amount
> >> of filters used for maximum affect) you can't really go wrong.
> >> Changed one users low .1Mbps to a 1.4Mbps just by doing that today
> >> so it works, you've just got to know how to join the dots up.
> >
> > I can't see how the *same* phone(s) could go from ringing UK-style
> > (ring, ring [pause] ring, ring) to ringing US-style (ring [longer
> > pause] ring) just by the addition of microfilters or by changing
> > the house wiring.
> > Surely the AC ringing current is generated at the exchange and fed
> > to the phone without being regenerated anywhere except maybe in the
> > phone.
> > What the phone does with the ring current is another matter - my
> > Panasonic and BT DECT phones have always given a US-style single
> > ring, probably because the ring tone is generated locally in the
> > phone handset, triggered by the base unit sensing the ringing
> > current.
> > Since DSL was enabled on my line a few years ago, the line has
> > always given a very brief ring before the main ring(s) - a
> > hard-wired phone goes "r [pause] ring, ring [pause] ring, ring" and
> > the DECT phones go "r [pause] ring [longer pause] ring".
>
> The differences can be caused by leakage from multiple capacitors
> each, each one on their own & used correctly would be ok but when used
> in multiples it can change your ringing cadance.

*leakage current* ?

Are you serious ?

Graham

Eeyore wrote:
> Kraftee wrote:
>
>> Mortimer wrote:
>>> "Kraftee" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> NH wrote:
>>>>> Just a silly little query. Since my line was changed over to
>>>>> DSL Max last week my phones now ring differently, one single
>>>>> ring with long pauses between instead of the usual double ring.
>>>>> Is this normal? I know its not that important, just curious.
>>>>
>>>> It shouldn't make any difference at all but.....what with the
>>>> many variables of what could be on your line (in your house) &
>>>> then add a couple/few/several filters with capacitors in them as
>>>> well it could make a difference. Just make sure that you've
>>>> only go the one socket with the ringing circuit (if you haven't
>>>> got a NTE5a/b look for a large cylindrical capacitor, normally
>>>> yellow, on the circuit board behind the socket & there should be
>>>> only one on your circuit) & that everything is filtered
>>>> efficiently (least amount of filters used for maximum affect)
>>>> you can't really go wrong. Changed one users low .1Mbps to a
>>>> 1.4Mbps just by doing that today so it works, you've just got to
>>>> know how to join the dots up.
>>>
>>> I can't see how the *same* phone(s) could go from ringing UK-style
>>> (ring, ring [pause] ring, ring) to ringing US-style (ring [longer
>>> pause] ring) just by the addition of microfilters or by changing
>>> the house wiring.
>>> Surely the AC ringing current is generated at the exchange and fed
>>> to the phone without being regenerated anywhere except maybe in
>>> the phone.
>>> What the phone does with the ring current is another matter - my
>>> Panasonic and BT DECT phones have always given a US-style single
>>> ring, probably because the ring tone is generated locally in the
>>> phone handset, triggered by the base unit sensing the ringing
>>> current.
>>> Since DSL was enabled on my line a few years ago, the line has
>>> always given a very brief ring before the main ring(s) - a
>>> hard-wired phone goes "r [pause] ring, ring [pause] ring, ring"
>>> and the DECT phones go "r [pause] ring [longer pause] ring".
>>
>> The differences can be caused by leakage from multiple capacitors
>> each, each one on their own & used correctly would be ok but when
>> used in multiples it can change your ringing cadance.
>
> *leakage current* ?
>
> Are you serious ?
>
> Graham

Certainly but are you ever?

"Kraftee" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> NH wrote:
>> Just a silly little query. Since my line was changed over to DSL
>> Max last week my phones now ring differently, one single ring with
>> long pauses between instead of the usual double ring. Is this
>> normal? I know its not that important, just curious.
>
> It shouldn't make any difference at all but.....what with the many
> variables of what could be on your line (in your house) & then add a
> couple/few/several filters with capacitors in them as well it could make a
> difference. Just make sure that you've only go the one socket with the
> ringing circuit (if you haven't got a NTE5a/b look for a large cylindrical
> capacitor, normally yellow, on the circuit board behind the socket & there
> should be only one on your circuit) & that everything is filtered
> efficiently (least amount of filters used for maximum affect) you can't
> really go wrong. Changed one users low .1Mbps to a 1.4Mbps just by doing
> that today so it works, you've just got to know how to join the dots up.
>
What surprised me is I have been on broadband now for a few years and
nothing has changed - except one day I was on fixed speed broadband and the
next I was switched to their LLU equipment. I've tried unplugging each of
the phones (2 normal phone and a set of DECT phones) and nothing changed

"Kraftee" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> NH wrote:
>> Just a silly little query. Since my line was changed over to DSL
>> Max last week my phones now ring differently, one single ring with
>> long pauses between instead of the usual double ring. Is this
>> normal? I know its not that important, just curious.
>
> It shouldn't make any difference at all but.....what with the many
> variables of what could be on your line (in your house) & then add a
> couple/few/several filters with capacitors in them as well it could make a
> difference. Just make sure that you've only go the one socket with the
> ringing circuit (if you haven't got a NTE5a/b look for a large cylindrical
> capacitor, normally yellow, on the circuit board behind the socket & there
> should be only one on your circuit) & that everything is filtered
> efficiently (least amount of filters used for maximum affect) you can't
> really go wrong. Changed one users low .1Mbps to a 1.4Mbps just by doing
> that today so it works, you've just got to know how to join the dots up.
>
What surprised me is I have been on broadband now for a few years and
nothing has changed - except one day I was on fixed speed broadband and the
next I was on their LLU equipment. I tried unplugging each of my phones (2
normal and a set of DECT phones) and nothing changed

"NH" <NH@NO_SPAMm183.co.uk> wrote in message news:f8l0cq$6ro$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Kraftee" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> NH wrote:
>>> Just a silly little query. Since my line was changed over to DSL
>>> Max last week my phones now ring differently, one single ring with
>>> long pauses between instead of the usual double ring. Is this
>>> normal? I know its not that important, just curious.
>>
>> It shouldn't make any difference at all but.....what with the many
>> variables of what could be on your line (in your house) & then add a
>> couple/few/several filters with capacitors in them as well it could make
>> a difference. Just make sure that you've only go the one socket with the
>> ringing circuit (if you haven't got a NTE5a/b look for a large
>> cylindrical capacitor, normally yellow, on the circuit board behind the
>> socket & there should be only one on your circuit) & that everything is
>> filtered efficiently (least amount of filters used for maximum affect)
>> you can't really go wrong. Changed one users low .1Mbps to a 1.4Mbps just
>> by doing that today so it works, you've just got to know how to join the
>> dots up.
>>
> What surprised me is I have been on broadband now for a few years and
> nothing has changed - except one day I was on fixed speed broadband and
> the next I was switched to their LLU equipment. I've tried unplugging
> each of the phones (2 normal phone and a set of DECT phones) and nothing
> changed
>
Just to add to that, I tried disconnecting everything and plugging a phone
into the master socket (the one behind the faceplate) and it was still the
same. I've also noticed that my caller display only operates intermittingly
(more often not to be exact)