new build home with BT line pre-installed - LLU an option?

Hi all.

Hopefully someone can give me an answer to this one, as Bulldog have
confused me!

I'm about to move into a new build flat where the builders have had BT in to
do the phone lines into the building. I've not activated my line yet and am
looking at other options.

Bulldog are the only company who have LLUd the local exchange so they're the
option I'm thinking about, I called them to check if they'd have to bring
another line into the houseor if they could use the existing wiring from BT.
They just asked if there was an active BT line already, and said that if not
they'd do the wiring themself. If there was an active BT line, they'd take
over it.

I tried asking if they couldn't takeover the inactive, but new, BT line but
the guy on the other end could understand what I meant.

Can anyone shed any light on this one for me before I end up back with BT
:-/

Also - are there any other options that I'm missing? I don't need a landline
phone and was hoping to go with ntl broadband and have no monthly phone line
rental, but they're not covering the development so options seem limited.

It's the Bridgeton exchange in Glasgow if that helps with anything.

AD wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Hopefully someone can give me an answer to this one, as Bulldog have
> confused me!
>
> I'm about to move into a new build flat where the builders have had BT in to
> do the phone lines into the building. I've not activated my line yet and am
> looking at other options.
>
> Bulldog are the only company who have LLUd the local exchange so they're the
> option I'm thinking about, I called them to check if they'd have to bring
> another line into the houseor if they could use the existing wiring from BT.
> They just asked if there was an active BT line already, and said that if not
> they'd do the wiring themself. If there was an active BT line, they'd take
> over it.
>
> I tried asking if they couldn't takeover the inactive, but new, BT line but
> the guy on the other end could understand what I meant.
>
> Can anyone shed any light on this one for me before I end up back with BT
> :-/
>
> Also - are there any other options that I'm missing? I don't need a landline
> phone and was hoping to go with ntl broadband and have no monthly phone line
> rental, but they're not covering the development so options seem limited.
>
> It's the Bridgeton exchange in Glasgow if that helps with anything.
>
>


I am guessing that the builders have just run the cable from the nearest
DP (BT Box) into the premises to prevent lots of upheaval later on. As
such I assume no one has yet paid for a line in the premises so it will
be full connection charges for the first user to apply for a line.

As Openreach will probably be providing the local loop for Bulldog I
would guess they would use the same cable to provide the service if they
do it from scratch rather than as a migration from BT.

J

"Maneate" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> AD wrote:
>> Hi all.
>>
>> Hopefully someone can give me an answer to this one, as Bulldog have
>> confused me!
>>
>> I'm about to move into a new build flat where the builders have had BT in
>> to do the phone lines into the building. I've not activated my line yet
>> and am looking at other options.
>>
>> Bulldog are the only company who have LLUd the local exchange so they're
>> the option I'm thinking about, I called them to check if they'd have to
>> bring another line into the houseor if they could use the existing wiring
>> from BT. They just asked if there was an active BT line already, and said
>> that if not they'd do the wiring themself. If there was an active BT
>> line, they'd take over it.
>>
>> I tried asking if they couldn't takeover the inactive, but new, BT line
>> but the guy on the other end could understand what I meant.
>>
>> Can anyone shed any light on this one for me before I end up back with BT
>> :-/
>>
>> Also - are there any other options that I'm missing? I don't need a
>> landline phone and was hoping to go with ntl broadband and have no
>> monthly phone line rental, but they're not covering the development so
>> options seem limited.
>>
>> It's the Bridgeton exchange in Glasgow if that helps with anything.
>
>
> I am guessing that the builders have just run the cable from the nearest
> DP (BT Box) into the premises to prevent lots of upheaval later on. As
> such I assume no one has yet paid for a line in the premises so it will be
> full connection charges for the first user to apply for a line.
>
> As Openreach will probably be providing the local loop for Bulldog I would
> guess they would use the same cable to provide the service if they do it
> from scratch rather than as a migration from BT.
>
> J



Yep I will be paying full connection charges (why is it more annoying to pay
for them when the line's already there?!)

I'd hope they'd use the same cable, I don't want to order it then have the
guy say we need a new line coming in, I don't want any new wires coming in
when everything's all nice and new!

Assuming it is the same wire being used, the reviews I've seen don't scare
me off bulldog - am I missing anything?

"AD" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:C%Ybh.2487
>
> Yep I will be paying full connection charges (why is it more annoying to
> pay for them when the line's already there?!)

That is because BT has subsidised or even paid your builder to install their
wires.

>
> I'd hope they'd use the same cable, I don't want to order it then have the
> guy say we need a new line coming in, I don't want any new wires coming in
> when everything's all nice and new!

Well if you want cable you will need a new coax wire. If you haven't got a
line shown whoever you LLU to will want paid for initial install.

>
> Assuming it is the same wire being used, the reviews I've seen don't scare
> me off bulldog - am I missing anything?
>

Track back through this group - see why Bulldog pulled out of the domestic
market...

"R. Mark Clayton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "AD" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:C%Ybh.2487
>>
>> Yep I will be paying full connection charges (why is it more annoying to
>> pay for them when the line's already there?!)
>
> That is because BT has subsidised or even paid your builder to install
> their wires.
>

Think you've misunderstood what I was saying. I'm not complaining about
paying for the new connection, I just mean it feels more annoying to pay for
the installation when it was done months ago and you don't get to see the
work being done. I'd feel like I was getting more value for my £120-odd if
someone came out after I'd paid the money and did all the work!

>>
>> I'd hope they'd use the same cable, I don't want to order it then have
>> the guy say we need a new line coming in, I don't want any new wires
>> coming in when everything's all nice and new!
>
> Well if you want cable you will need a new coax wire. If you haven't got
> a line shown whoever you LLU to will want paid for initial install.
>

I understand that, see above. My only concern is that, whoever I pay, I
want them to use the wire that's been put in already. Bulldog implied that
they wouldn't.

AD wrote:
> "R. Mark Clayton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> "AD" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:C%Ybh.2487
>>> Yep I will be paying full connection charges (why is it more annoying to
>>> pay for them when the line's already there?!)
>> That is because BT has subsidised or even paid your builder to install
>> their wires.
>>
>
> Think you've misunderstood what I was saying. I'm not complaining about
> paying for the new connection, I just mean it feels more annoying to pay for
> the installation when it was done months ago and you don't get to see the
> work being done. I'd feel like I was getting more value for my £120-odd if
> someone came out after I'd paid the money and did all the work!
>
>>> I'd hope they'd use the same cable, I don't want to order it then have
>>> the guy say we need a new line coming in, I don't want any new wires
>>> coming in when everything's all nice and new!
>> Well if you want cable you will need a new coax wire. If you haven't got
>> a line shown whoever you LLU to will want paid for initial install.
>>
>
> I understand that, see above. My only concern is that, whoever I pay, I
> want them to use the wire that's been put in already. Bulldog implied that
> they wouldn't.
>

Unless Bulldog are providing their own cabling infrastructure (eg: from
the exchange to your local premises) which I believe is highly unlikly,
they will most probably use Openreach (the BT Local loop lot) to provide
the 'final mile' - ie the cable from their kit in the exchange to your
premises. Openreach are not likely to run a 'new' cable in as there is
already a cable there you can use, the one with the 'BT' socket on the end.

I am surmising that Bulldog are saying it will cost you more to have a
'New' line installed with them, than it would to transfer service from
an existing provider (BT) to them. This is because they will have to
pay Openreach to provide that 'last mile' and they will be charged the
same amount by Openreach as BT Retail (the arm of BT that provides the
BT lines to homes) is charged. Its all part of the level playing field.

I think the problem is occuring in ther terminology being used by
Bulldog, and how it differs to what is used in/by BT.

HTH

J

£30.00 if you transfer your line from BT (or One Tel, Talk Talk etc.)
£99.00 if you need or want a new line (if you are coming to Bulldog
from cable, for example) .

see their website and they will use the wiring installed for the
builder.

and check www.bt.com.

As no one has ever rented a line from any service provider in this home you
will need your service provider of choice (BT or Bulldog) to provide a new
line. BT Openreach will have a record of the cabling which has been provided
by the developer, but at this point it is no more than bits of wire in the
right places to make a telephone line when the time comes. You will need to
pay a full provision charge just the same as if there wasn't any bits of
wire there! All the developer has done with the help of BT Openreach New
Sites is make the installers job quicker and hide the bits of wire inside
the walls of your nice new home!

73's de Phill H.

"AD" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Bulldog are the only company who have LLUd the local exchange so they're
> the option I'm thinking about, I called them to check if they'd have to
> bring another line into the houseor if they could use the existing wiring
> from BT. They just asked if there was an active BT line already, and said
> that if not they'd do the wiring themself. If there was an active BT
> line, they'd take over it.
>
> I tried asking if they couldn't takeover the inactive, but new, BT line
> but the guy on the other end could understand what I meant.
>
> Can anyone shed any light on this one for me before I end up back with BT

If you want to use Bulldog, you can order the "new line" from them - their
installation charge is also slightly less than BT's.

Bulldog will get BT Openreach to do the work on their behalf and Openreach
will use the existing (i.e. new but inactive) wiring that the builders have
already put in for your telephone line.

Your other option is to get BT to activate the line, in which case the same
Openreach engineers will turn up and do the same between the exchange and
your house.. - then if you wanted to switch to Bulldog, you would need to
'transfer' the line to Bulldog (and also cancel the BT contract)

Regards
Sunil

"Sunil Sood" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "AD" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:aIYbh.725$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Bulldog are the only company who have LLUd the local exchange so
>> they're the option I'm thinking about, I called them to check if
>> they'd have to bring another line into the houseor if they could
>> use the existing wiring from BT. They just asked if there was an
>> active BT line already, and said that if not they'd do the wiring
>> themself. If there was an active BT line, they'd take over it.
>>
>> I tried asking if they couldn't takeover the inactive, but new, BT
>> line but the guy on the other end could understand what I meant.
>>
>> Can anyone shed any light on this one for me before I end up back
>> with BT
>
> If you want to use Bulldog, you can order the "new line" from them -
> their installation charge is also slightly less than BT's.
>
> Bulldog will get BT Openreach to do the work on their behalf and
> Openreach will use the existing (i.e. new but inactive) wiring that
> the builders have already put in for your telephone line.
>
> Your other option is to get BT to activate the line, in which case
> the same Openreach engineers will turn up and do the same between
> the exchange and your house.. - then if you wanted to switch to
> Bulldog, you would need to 'transfer' the line to Bulldog (and also
> cancel the BT contract)
>
> Regards
> Sunil

One thing to remember is that just because you do have some wiring
inside the property doesn't mean to say that it is usable. You may be
suprised just how many times the plasterer has put a nail thru it
etc, or even that the electrician being short for time has only put
short pieces at each end & there isn't anything between. Yep I have
come across both.

Another one which the local sparkies have done is use burglar alarm
cable, which could cause problems when the OP gets broadband..