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Kizetoni
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      09-01-2005, 12:43 PM
Hello All,

our sister-company bought a new server to replace an old machine.

It is a file/print server, and a domain controller vi are talking about.

Then old server is a NT machine, a domain controller, with not more than 10
workstations as domain members, and not more than 10 users.

Now I have to install the new server machine with 2003 server STD, and since
the old server should be running together with the new one for a while, I
had an idea that I would just make the 2003 machine as an BDC to the NT PDC,
but I read somewhere that it cannot be done!

Now, what do I do?

Should I make a totally new domain (which is a pitty, since the old domain
has the company's name) and then make all workstations members of the new
one? But how do they then access the old domain?

Maybe to make a trust between those two domains? But can I delete the old
domain once the old server is detached, and gone? Can I rename afterwards
the new domain name, so it becomes the same as the old domain name? Or is it
too dangerous?

And at last, how do I preserve the user profiles at every workstation, once
I change theirs domain membership...?

Thanx in advance!

Regards,
Kizetoni, Denmark


 
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Miha Pihler [MVP]
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      09-01-2005, 07:11 PM
Hi,

the upgrade path would be like this:
- join Windows 2003 to existing Windows NT domain
- upgrade existing Windows NT PDC to Windows 2003
- once this process is complete you have your first Windows 2003 Active
Directory server
- now you can promote your second Windows 2003 (your new server) to Active
Directory.
- now it should be easy to remove old server from domain

If you can't upgrade existing Windows NT server to Windows 2003 (e.g.
hardware limitations), look for temporary hardware where you can install
Windows NT (and that will later hold Windows 2003). Install Windows NT on
this temporary hardware. Make the server PDC (make it BDC and promote it
later to PDC) of your existing domain.
Now upgrade it to Windows 2003. Once the process is complete this will be
your first Windows 2003 Active Directory server.
Promote your new Windows 2003 server to Domain Controller. Now you can
remove temporary Windows 2003 server (run dcpormo on it again).

Note: you should always have at least two domain controllers in every
domain.

--
Mike
Microsoft MVP - Windows Security

"Kizetoni" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hello All,
>
> our sister-company bought a new server to replace an old machine.
>
> It is a file/print server, and a domain controller vi are talking about.
>
> Then old server is a NT machine, a domain controller, with not more than
> 10
> workstations as domain members, and not more than 10 users.
>
> Now I have to install the new server machine with 2003 server STD, and
> since
> the old server should be running together with the new one for a while, I
> had an idea that I would just make the 2003 machine as an BDC to the NT
> PDC,
> but I read somewhere that it cannot be done!
>
> Now, what do I do?
>
> Should I make a totally new domain (which is a pitty, since the old domain
> has the company's name) and then make all workstations members of the new
> one? But how do they then access the old domain?
>
> Maybe to make a trust between those two domains? But can I delete the old
> domain once the old server is detached, and gone? Can I rename afterwards
> the new domain name, so it becomes the same as the old domain name? Or is
> it
> too dangerous?
>
> And at last, how do I preserve the user profiles at every workstation,
> once
> I change theirs domain membership...?
>
> Thanx in advance!
>
> Regards,
> Kizetoni, Denmark
>
>



 
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Kizetoni
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      09-02-2005, 12:27 PM
Hello Mike,

thanx for your quick answer.

Now, upgrading of NT machine to 2003 is out of a question, as you
anticipated - the machine is too old and weak, and I would be frightened to
try that.

Now, let me check if I understood you right.

You say that, besides the old and the new server (hardware), I get a 3rd
machine, a temporary hardware, which I would install as an NT server first,
then make it BDC, promote to PDC, upgrade to 2003. That would make this 3rd
machine my first AD server (what would happen with the old NT PDC in that
case? would it still be a BDC, and functioning?)

Then I install a 2003 on the new server, and promote it to DC (by running DC
promo?). After that this new 2003 server should be the new DC, and then I
could remove the 3rd machine, and the original old NT server? How do I do
that - when you say "run dcpormo on it again" you mean running DCpromo
command on the 3rd machine, afterwards just detaching it? What about the
original old NT server? Just turn it off?

What if that original old NT server should be running side by side with the
new one for a while (fx next 3 to 6 months)?

Have a nice week end!

Regards,
Kizetoni, DK




"Miha Pihler [MVP]" <mihap-(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i en meddelelse
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi,
>
> the upgrade path would be like this:
> - join Windows 2003 to existing Windows NT domain
> - upgrade existing Windows NT PDC to Windows 2003
> - once this process is complete you have your first Windows 2003 Active
> Directory server
> - now you can promote your second Windows 2003 (your new server) to Active
> Directory.
> - now it should be easy to remove old server from domain
>
> If you can't upgrade existing Windows NT server to Windows 2003 (e.g.
> hardware limitations), look for temporary hardware where you can install
> Windows NT (and that will later hold Windows 2003). Install Windows NT on
> this temporary hardware. Make the server PDC (make it BDC and promote it
> later to PDC) of your existing domain.
> Now upgrade it to Windows 2003. Once the process is complete this will be
> your first Windows 2003 Active Directory server.
> Promote your new Windows 2003 server to Domain Controller. Now you can
> remove temporary Windows 2003 server (run dcpormo on it again).
>
> Note: you should always have at least two domain controllers in every
> domain.
>
> --
> Mike
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Security
>
> "Kizetoni" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hello All,
> >
> > our sister-company bought a new server to replace an old machine.
> >
> > It is a file/print server, and a domain controller vi are talking about.
> >
> > Then old server is a NT machine, a domain controller, with not more than
> > 10
> > workstations as domain members, and not more than 10 users.
> >
> > Now I have to install the new server machine with 2003 server STD, and
> > since
> > the old server should be running together with the new one for a while,

I
> > had an idea that I would just make the 2003 machine as an BDC to the NT
> > PDC,
> > but I read somewhere that it cannot be done!
> >
> > Now, what do I do?
> >
> > Should I make a totally new domain (which is a pitty, since the old

domain
> > has the company's name) and then make all workstations members of the

new
> > one? But how do they then access the old domain?
> >
> > Maybe to make a trust between those two domains? But can I delete the

old
> > domain once the old server is detached, and gone? Can I rename

afterwards
> > the new domain name, so it becomes the same as the old domain name? Or

is
> > it
> > too dangerous?
> >
> > And at last, how do I preserve the user profiles at every workstation,
> > once
> > I change theirs domain membership...?
> >
> > Thanx in advance!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kizetoni, Denmark
> >
> >

>
>



 
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Miha Pihler [MVP]
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      09-02-2005, 04:35 PM
Hi,

<snip>

> You say that, besides the old and the new server (hardware), I get a 3rd
> machine, a temporary hardware, which I would install as an NT server
> first,
> then make it BDC, promote to PDC, upgrade to 2003. That would make this
> 3rd
> machine my first AD server (what would happen with the old NT PDC in that
> case? would it still be a BDC, and functioning?)


Once you setup new PDC the old one would be demoted and would still work as
BDC.

> Then I install a 2003 on the new server, and promote it to DC (by running
> DC
> promo?). After that this new 2003 server should be the new DC, and then I
> could remove the 3rd machine, and the original old NT server? How do I do
> that - when you say "run dcpormo on it again" you mean running DCpromo
> command on the 3rd machine, afterwards just detaching it?


Yes, since your temporary server is running Windows 2003 you can easily
demote it to member server (not acting as domain controller any more). You
do this by running dcpromo (first you will run it to make your server domain
controller; now you will run same tool to make it a member server). You can
now disjoin the server from domain.

What about the
> original old NT server? Just turn it off?


Yes, and you should be then able to remove any objects from active directory
connected to old domain controller (e.g. computer account).

> What if that original old NT server should be running side by side with
> the
> new one for a while (fx next 3 to 6 months)?


I usually remove it within weeks; but I _never_ have less then two domain
controllers in any production domain environment.

I hope this helps,

--
Mike
Microsoft MVP - Windows Security


 
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Kizetoni
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      09-03-2005, 08:18 PM
Hello Mike,

thanx, it helps a lot!

I'll try the solution, it seems like something where nothing can go wrong...

Or is there anything I should take extra care of?

Regards,
Kizetoni

"Miha Pihler [MVP]" <mihap-(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i en meddelelse
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi,
>
> <snip>
>
> > You say that, besides the old and the new server (hardware), I get a 3rd
> > machine, a temporary hardware, which I would install as an NT server
> > first,
> > then make it BDC, promote to PDC, upgrade to 2003. That would make this
> > 3rd
> > machine my first AD server (what would happen with the old NT PDC in

that
> > case? would it still be a BDC, and functioning?)

>
> Once you setup new PDC the old one would be demoted and would still work

as
> BDC.
>
> > Then I install a 2003 on the new server, and promote it to DC (by

running
> > DC
> > promo?). After that this new 2003 server should be the new DC, and then

I
> > could remove the 3rd machine, and the original old NT server? How do I

do
> > that - when you say "run dcpormo on it again" you mean running DCpromo
> > command on the 3rd machine, afterwards just detaching it?

>
> Yes, since your temporary server is running Windows 2003 you can easily
> demote it to member server (not acting as domain controller any more). You
> do this by running dcpromo (first you will run it to make your server

domain
> controller; now you will run same tool to make it a member server). You

can
> now disjoin the server from domain.
>
> What about the
> > original old NT server? Just turn it off?

>
> Yes, and you should be then able to remove any objects from active

directory
> connected to old domain controller (e.g. computer account).
>
> > What if that original old NT server should be running side by side with
> > the
> > new one for a while (fx next 3 to 6 months)?

>
> I usually remove it within weeks; but I _never_ have less then two domain
> controllers in any production domain environment.
>
> I hope this helps,
>
> --
> Mike
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Security
>
>



 
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Miha Pihler [MVP]
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      09-04-2005, 04:03 PM
- plan your DNS and NetBIOS name of your Active Directory carefully (they
can't be changed easily)
- make sure your clients point to the right DNS server for name resolution
(they should point to your Active Directory DNS server or clients will fail
to find domain controllers); don't forget about this when you remove old and
temporary servers (update your clients configuration if necessary)
- if you plan to use DHCP also use it to configure clients DNS settings
- have at least two domain controllers for your domain

I hope this helps,

--
Mike
Microsoft MVP - Windows Security

"Kizetoni" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hello Mike,
>
> thanx, it helps a lot!
>
> I'll try the solution, it seems like something where nothing can go
> wrong...
>
> Or is there anything I should take extra care of?
>
> Regards,
> Kizetoni
>
> "Miha Pihler [MVP]" <mihap-(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi,
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > You say that, besides the old and the new server (hardware), I get a
>> > 3rd
>> > machine, a temporary hardware, which I would install as an NT server
>> > first,
>> > then make it BDC, promote to PDC, upgrade to 2003. That would make this
>> > 3rd
>> > machine my first AD server (what would happen with the old NT PDC in

> that
>> > case? would it still be a BDC, and functioning?)

>>
>> Once you setup new PDC the old one would be demoted and would still work

> as
>> BDC.
>>
>> > Then I install a 2003 on the new server, and promote it to DC (by

> running
>> > DC
>> > promo?). After that this new 2003 server should be the new DC, and then

> I
>> > could remove the 3rd machine, and the original old NT server? How do I

> do
>> > that - when you say "run dcpormo on it again" you mean running DCpromo
>> > command on the 3rd machine, afterwards just detaching it?

>>
>> Yes, since your temporary server is running Windows 2003 you can easily
>> demote it to member server (not acting as domain controller any more).
>> You
>> do this by running dcpromo (first you will run it to make your server

> domain
>> controller; now you will run same tool to make it a member server). You

> can
>> now disjoin the server from domain.
>>
>> What about the
>> > original old NT server? Just turn it off?

>>
>> Yes, and you should be then able to remove any objects from active

> directory
>> connected to old domain controller (e.g. computer account).
>>
>> > What if that original old NT server should be running side by side with
>> > the
>> > new one for a while (fx next 3 to 6 months)?

>>
>> I usually remove it within weeks; but I _never_ have less then two domain
>> controllers in any production domain environment.
>>
>> I hope this helps,
>>
>> --
>> Mike
>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Security
>>
>>

>
>



 
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      09-05-2005, 11:47 AM
Definitely it does - any advice is mostly welcome!

Thanx!

Regards, Zoran


"Miha Pihler [MVP]" <mihap-(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i en meddelelse
news:Os8s%(E-Mail Removed)...
> - plan your DNS and NetBIOS name of your Active Directory carefully (they
> can't be changed easily)
> - make sure your clients point to the right DNS server for name resolution
> (they should point to your Active Directory DNS server or clients will

fail
> to find domain controllers); don't forget about this when you remove old

and
> temporary servers (update your clients configuration if necessary)
> - if you plan to use DHCP also use it to configure clients DNS settings
> - have at least two domain controllers for your domain
>
> I hope this helps,
>
> --
> Mike
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Security
>
> "Kizetoni" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hello Mike,
> >
> > thanx, it helps a lot!
> >
> > I'll try the solution, it seems like something where nothing can go
> > wrong...
> >
> > Or is there anything I should take extra care of?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kizetoni
> >
> > "Miha Pihler [MVP]" <mihap-(E-Mail Removed)> skrev i en meddelelse
> > news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> > You say that, besides the old and the new server (hardware), I get a
> >> > 3rd
> >> > machine, a temporary hardware, which I would install as an NT server
> >> > first,
> >> > then make it BDC, promote to PDC, upgrade to 2003. That would make

this
> >> > 3rd
> >> > machine my first AD server (what would happen with the old NT PDC in

> > that
> >> > case? would it still be a BDC, and functioning?)
> >>
> >> Once you setup new PDC the old one would be demoted and would still

work
> > as
> >> BDC.
> >>
> >> > Then I install a 2003 on the new server, and promote it to DC (by

> > running
> >> > DC
> >> > promo?). After that this new 2003 server should be the new DC, and

then
> > I
> >> > could remove the 3rd machine, and the original old NT server? How do

I
> > do
> >> > that - when you say "run dcpormo on it again" you mean running

DCpromo
> >> > command on the 3rd machine, afterwards just detaching it?
> >>
> >> Yes, since your temporary server is running Windows 2003 you can easily
> >> demote it to member server (not acting as domain controller any more).
> >> You
> >> do this by running dcpromo (first you will run it to make your server

> > domain
> >> controller; now you will run same tool to make it a member server). You

> > can
> >> now disjoin the server from domain.
> >>
> >> What about the
> >> > original old NT server? Just turn it off?
> >>
> >> Yes, and you should be then able to remove any objects from active

> > directory
> >> connected to old domain controller (e.g. computer account).
> >>
> >> > What if that original old NT server should be running side by side

with
> >> > the
> >> > new one for a while (fx next 3 to 6 months)?
> >>
> >> I usually remove it within weeks; but I _never_ have less then two

domain
> >> controllers in any production domain environment.
> >>
> >> I hope this helps,
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mike
> >> Microsoft MVP - Windows Security
> >>
> >>

> >
> >

>
>



 
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