Networking 98 and XP PCs can't finalise-Help

I have a Desktop running 98 SE and Laptop running XP connected by a
crossover cable
I have used the XP networking set-up CD on both PCs with the result that I
can see the 98 on the Desktop Network and can see the XP on the Laptop
Network
NO sign of either on their opposite PCs
What do I have to do to achieve this please
I should tell you I did have a working Network but when trying to get both
accessing the Internet I have somehow undone the settings.

Blair Malcolm

In article <#(E-Mail Removed)>, "Blair"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>I have a Desktop running 98 SE and Laptop running XP connected by a
>crossover cable
>I have used the XP networking set-up CD on both PCs with the result that I
>can see the 98 on the Desktop Network and can see the XP on the Laptop
>Network
>NO sign of either on their opposite PCs
>What do I have to do to achieve this please
>I should tell you I did have a working Network but when trying to get both
>accessing the Internet I have somehow undone the settings.
>
>Blair Malcolm

XP's Network Setup Wizard will make the right settings, provided that
you specify the right connection option when it asks. Some options
allow file sharing, and some block file sharing.

How do your computers connect to the Internet? If you have a home
broadband router, specify the Wizard's "residential gateway" option.

Make sure that only one network protocol (TCP/IP) is installed on each
computer. Make sure that any firewall programs (Norton, McAfee,
PCcillin, ZoneAlarm, etc) are configured to allow access on the local
area network.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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"Blair" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>I have a Desktop running 98 SE and Laptop running XP connected by a
> crossover cable
> I have used the XP networking set-up CD on both PCs with the result that I
> can see the 98 on the Desktop Network and can see the XP on the Laptop
> Network
> NO sign of either on their opposite PCs
> What do I have to do to achieve this please
> I should tell you I did have a working Network but when trying to get both
> accessing the Internet I have somehow undone the settings.
>
> Blair Malcolm
>
>

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> In article <#(E-Mail Removed)>, "Blair"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >I have a Desktop running 98 SE and Laptop running XP connected by a
> >crossover cable
> >I have used the XP networking set-up CD on both PCs with the result that
I
> >can see the 98 on the Desktop Network and can see the XP on the Laptop
> >Network
> >NO sign of either on their opposite PCs
> >What do I have to do to achieve this please
> >I should tell you I did have a working Network but when trying to get
both
> >accessing the Internet I have somehow undone the settings.
> >
> >Blair Malcolm
>
> XP's Network Setup Wizard will make the right settings, provided that
> you specify the right connection option when it asks. Some options
> allow file sharing, and some block file sharing.
>
> How do your computers connect to the Internet? If you have a home
> broadband router, specify the Wizard's "residential gateway" option.
>
> Make sure that only one network protocol (TCP/IP) is installed on each
> computer. Make sure that any firewall programs (Norton, McAfee,
> PCcillin, ZoneAlarm, etc) are configured to allow access on the local
> area network.
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
I have run the XP set-up CD on both PCs but the set-up called for the 98
system to be connected on line. Since I require the network connection for
on line work I cannot have this. Does this matter?
My Laptop XP connects to the Internet by Dialling direct (no Broadband yet
in this area)
I had two TCP/IP protocols and have deleted one on the desktop 98
I uninstalled Zone Alarm until I get a network working. This was the only
Firewall.
Still no luck
What now?
Blair

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> In article <#(E-Mail Removed)>, "Blair"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >I have a Desktop running 98 SE and Laptop running XP connected by a
> >crossover cable
> >I have used the XP networking set-up CD on both PCs with the result that
I
> >can see the 98 on the Desktop Network and can see the XP on the Laptop
> >Network
> >NO sign of either on their opposite PCs
> >What do I have to do to achieve this please
> >I should tell you I did have a working Network but when trying to get
both
> >accessing the Internet I have somehow undone the settings.
> >
> >Blair Malcolm
>
> XP's Network Set-up Wizard will make the right settings, provided that
> you specify the right connection option when it asks. Some options
> allow file sharing, and some block file sharing.
>
> How do your computers connect to the Internet? If you have a home
> broadband router, specify the Wizard's "residential gateway" option.
>
> Make sure that only one network protocol (TCP/IP) is installed on each
> computer. Make sure that any firewall programs (Norton, McAfee,
> PCcillin, ZoneAlarm, etc) are configured to allow access on the local
> area network.
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
I have run the XP set-up CD on both PCs but the set-up called for the 98
system to be connected on line. Since I require the network connection for
on line work I cannot have this. Does this matter?
My Laptop XP connects to the Internet by Dialling direct (no Broadband yet
in this area)
I had two TCP/IP protocols and have deleted one on the desktop 98
I uninstalled Zone Alarm until I get a network working. This was the only
Firewall.
I am still on SP1 on my XP. I don't know if that matters
Still no luck
What now?
Blair

In article <#$Swy#(E-Mail Removed)>, "Blair"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>I have a Desktop running 98 SE and Laptop running XP connected by a
>>>crossover cable
>>>I have used the XP networking set-up CD on both PCs with the result that I
>>>can see the 98 on the Desktop Network and can see the XP on the Laptop
>>>Network
>>>NO sign of either on their opposite PCs
>>>What do I have to do to achieve this please
>>>I should tell you I did have a working Network but when trying to get both
>>>accessing the Internet I have somehow undone the settings.
>>
>>XP's Network Setup Wizard will make the right settings, provided that
>>you specify the right connection option when it asks. Some options
>>allow file sharing, and some block file sharing.
>>
>>How do your computers connect to the Internet? If you have a home
>>broadband router, specify the Wizard's "residential gateway" option.
>>
>>Make sure that only one network protocol (TCP/IP) is installed on each
>>computer. Make sure that any firewall programs (Norton, McAfee,
>>PCcillin, ZoneAlarm, etc) are configured to allow access on the local
>>area network.
>
>I have run the XP set-up CD on both PCs but the set-up called for the 98
>system to be connected on line. Since I require the network connection for
>on line work I cannot have this. Does this matter?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what "called for the 98 system to be
connected on line" means. Did this message occur while you were
running XP's setup CD on 98? If not, what were you doing when it
occurred? What exactly did the message say?

>My Laptop XP connects to the Internet by Dialling direct (no Broadband yet
>in this area)
>I had two TCP/IP protocols and have deleted one on the desktop 98
>I uninstalled Zone Alarm until I get a network working. This was the only
>Firewall.
>I am still on SP1 on my XP. I don't know if that matters
>Still no luck
>What now?
>Blair

Your computer can be hacked within a few seconds of connecting to the
Internet without a firewall. If you've un-installed ZoneAlarm, you
MUST enable XP's built-in Internet Connection Firewall on the dial-up
connection: right-click the connection and click Properties |
Advanced.

If you re-install ZoneAlarm, disable XP's Internet Connection
Firewall. Using more than one firewall at a time can cause problems.

It's OK to have two TCP/IP protocols on 98 if that computer has both a
dial-up modem and an Ethernet adapter. If that's the case, go back to
the network control panel and re-install TCP/IP: click Add | Protocol
| Add | Microsoft | TCP/IP.

If I understand your network setup, you should configure the XP
computer to share its dial-up Internet connection with the 98
computer. On XP, choose the Wizard's connection method that says
"This computer connects directly to the Internet. The other computers
on my network connect to the Internet through this computer".
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm

Bellsoutth offered a free Westell DSL Modem and CompUSA had a Netgear
Wireless Router for $10 after Rebate then you connect the 3 Ethernet LAN
Cables and away you go - connectiing.

http://www.dslreports.com/faq/6323
Instructions for setting up a BellSouth configured Westell 2100/2200/6100
(Models A90-210030-04, B90-220030-04, B90-610030-06 and C90-610030-06,
respectively)

Regards, Gary 'Doc' Adams in Louisiana

CTLouisiana @ msn comREMOVE
http://computerteachers.digital-mall-online.com/
~ Read to Learn - Write to Think ~

"Blair" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> I have a Desktop running 98 SE and Laptop running XP connected by a
> crossover cable
> I have used the XP networking set-up CD on both PCs with the result that I
> can see the 98 on the Desktop Network and can see the XP on the Laptop
> Network
> NO sign of either on their opposite PCs
> What do I have to do to achieve this please
> I should tell you I did have a working Network but when trying to get both
> accessing the Internet I have somehow undone the settings.
>
> Blair Malcolm
>
>

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> In article <#$Swy#(E-Mail Removed)>, "Blair"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >>>I have a Desktop running 98 SE and Laptop running XP connected by a
> >>>crossover cable
> >>>I have used the XP networking set-up CD on both PCs with the result
that I
> >>>can see the 98 on the Desktop Network and can see the XP on the Laptop
> >>>Network
> >>>NO sign of either on their opposite PCs
> >>>What do I have to do to achieve this please
> >>>I should tell you I did have a working Network but when trying to get
both
> >>>accessing the Internet I have somehow undone the settings.
> >>
> >>XP's Network Setup Wizard will make the right settings, provided that
> >>you specify the right connection option when it asks. Some options
> >>allow file sharing, and some block file sharing.
> >>
> >>How do your computers connect to the Internet? If you have a home
> >>broadband router, specify the Wizard's "residential gateway" option.
> >>
> >>Make sure that only one network protocol (TCP/IP) is installed on each
> >>computer. Make sure that any firewall programs (Norton, McAfee,
> >>PCcillin, ZoneAlarm, etc) are configured to allow access on the local
> >>area network.
> >
> >I have run the XP set-up CD on both PCs but the set-up called for the 98
> >system to be connected on line. Since I require the network connection
for
> >on line work I cannot have this. Does this matter?
>
> I'm sorry, but I don't understand what "called for the 98 system to be
> connected on line" means. Did this message occur while you were
> running XP's setup CD on 98? If not, what were you doing when it
> occurred? What exactly did the message say?
>
> >My Laptop XP connects to the Internet by Dialling direct (no Broadband
yet
> >in this area)
> >I had two TCP/IP protocols and have deleted one on the desktop 98
> >I uninstalled Zone Alarm until I get a network working. This was the only
> >Firewall.
> >I am still on SP1 on my XP. I don't know if that matters
> >Still no luck
> >What now?
> >Blair
>
> Your computer can be hacked within a few seconds of connecting to the
> Internet without a firewall. If you've un-installed ZoneAlarm, you
> MUST enable XP's built-in Internet Connection Firewall on the dial-up
> connection: right-click the connection and click Properties |
> Advanced.
>
> If you re-install ZoneAlarm, disable XP's Internet Connection
> Firewall. Using more than one firewall at a time can cause problems.
>
> It's OK to have two TCP/IP protocols on 98 if that computer has both a
> dial-up modem and an Ethernet adapter. If that's the case, go back to
> the network control panel and re-install TCP/IP: click Add | Protocol
> | Add | Microsoft | TCP/IP.
>
> If I understand your network setup, you should configure the XP
> computer to share its dial-up Internet connection with the 98
> computer. On XP, choose the Wizard's connection method that says
> "This computer connects directly to the Internet. The other computers
> on my network connect to the Internet through this computer".
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
Sorry I misled you. I realised that I had to have the XP Firewall. So it is
in operation until I reinstall Zone Alarm
Strangely when I ran the XP Network setup CD on the 98 desktop I found that
the second TCP/IP was reinstated automatically
It is TCP/IP F505000 PCI Card/Desktop Network PCI Card.
I have configured the XP to share its dial up Internetconnection with the 98
PC and I chose as you have stated.
I have also made sure all my files can be shared between both PCs
In checking all my settings for the umpteentimes I noticed that Access
control on the 98 Network had been ticked as "Share level control"( Enables
you to supply a password for each shared resource)
I think now this should be changed to "User level control" ( Enables you to
specify users and groups who have access to each shared resource) Obtain
list of users and groups from-----------------------
I tried //OEMCOMPUTER or Freeserve but neither were accepted. If you think
this is the right choice how do I define the users and groups?
Blair

Thanks for you help
I'm afraid the set-up looks beyond me to really understand and appreciate.
I have all the necessary hardware parts to complete my network so it would
seem foolish to buy additional parts to do the same.
Remember I did have my networking perfectly before!! So I must be able to do
it again
Blair

"Computer Teachers LLC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Bellsoutth offered a free Westell DSL Modem and CompUSA had a Netgear
> Wireless Router for $10 after Rebate then you connect the 3 Ethernet LAN
> Cables and away you go - connectiing.
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/faq/6323
> Instructions for setting up a BellSouth configured Westell 2100/2200/6100
> (Models A90-210030-04, B90-220030-04, B90-610030-06 and C90-610030-06,
> respectively)
>
> Regards, Gary 'Doc' Adams in Louisiana
>
> CTLouisiana @ msn comREMOVE
> http://computerteachers.digital-mall-online.com/
> ~ Read to Learn - Write to Think ~
>
> "Blair" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I have a Desktop running 98 SE and Laptop running XP connected by a
> > crossover cable
> > I have used the XP networking set-up CD on both PCs with the result that
I
> > can see the 98 on the Desktop Network and can see the XP on the Laptop
> > Network
> > NO sign of either on their opposite PCs
> > What do I have to do to achieve this please
> > I should tell you I did have a working Network but when trying to get
both
> > accessing the Internet I have somehow undone the settings.
> >
> > Blair Malcolm
> >
> >
>
>

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "Blair"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> >>>I have a Desktop running 98 SE and Laptop running XP connected by a
>> >>>crossover cable
>> >>>I have used the XP networking set-up CD on both PCs with the result
>that I
>> >>>can see the 98 on the Desktop Network and can see the XP on the Laptop
>> >>>Network
>> >>>NO sign of either on their opposite PCs
>> >>>What do I have to do to achieve this please
>> >>>I should tell you I did have a working Network but when trying to get
>both
>> >>>accessing the Internet I have somehow undone the settings.
>> >>
>> >>XP's Network Setup Wizard will make the right settings, provided that
>> >>you specify the right connection option when it asks. Some options
>> >>allow file sharing, and some block file sharing.
>> >>
>> >>How do your computers connect to the Internet? If you have a home
>> >>broadband router, specify the Wizard's "residential gateway" option.
>> >>
>> >>Make sure that only one network protocol (TCP/IP) is installed on each
>> >>computer. Make sure that any firewall programs (Norton, McAfee,
>> >>PCcillin, ZoneAlarm, etc) are configured to allow access on the local
>> >>area network.
>> >
>> >I have run the XP set-up CD on both PCs but the set-up called for the 98
>> >system to be connected on line. Since I require the network connection
>for
>> >on line work I cannot have this. Does this matter?
>>
>> I'm sorry, but I don't understand what "called for the 98 system to be
>> connected on line" means. Did this message occur while you were
>> running XP's setup CD on 98? If not, what were you doing when it
>> occurred? What exactly did the message say?
>>
>> >My Laptop XP connects to the Internet by Dialling direct (no Broadband
>yet
>> >in this area)
>> >I had two TCP/IP protocols and have deleted one on the desktop 98
>> >I uninstalled Zone Alarm until I get a network working. This was the only
>> >Firewall.
>> >I am still on SP1 on my XP. I don't know if that matters
>> >Still no luck
>> >What now?
>> >Blair
>>
>> Your computer can be hacked within a few seconds of connecting to the
>> Internet without a firewall. If you've un-installed ZoneAlarm, you
>> MUST enable XP's built-in Internet Connection Firewall on the dial-up
>> connection: right-click the connection and click Properties |
>> Advanced.
>>
>> If you re-install ZoneAlarm, disable XP's Internet Connection
>> Firewall. Using more than one firewall at a time can cause problems.
>>
>> It's OK to have two TCP/IP protocols on 98 if that computer has both a
>> dial-up modem and an Ethernet adapter. If that's the case, go back to
>> the network control panel and re-install TCP/IP: click Add | Protocol
>> | Add | Microsoft | TCP/IP.
>>
>> If I understand your network setup, you should configure the XP
>> computer to share its dial-up Internet connection with the 98
>> computer. On XP, choose the Wizard's connection method that says
>> "This computer connects directly to the Internet. The other computers
>> on my network connect to the Internet through this computer".
>>
>Sorry I misled you. I realised that I had to have the XP Firewall. So it is
>in operation until I reinstall Zone Alarm

Good.

>Strangely when I ran the XP Network setup CD on the 98 desktop I found that
>the second TCP/IP was reinstated automatically

Oh, yes, that's right. The setup CD knows what network components
need to be installed.

>It is TCP/IP F505000 PCI Card/Desktop Network PCI Card.
>I have configured the XP to share its dial up Internetconnection with the 98
>PC and I chose as you have stated.

Good.

>I have also made sure all my files can be shared between both PCs
>In checking all my settings for the umpteentimes I noticed that Access
>control on the 98 Network had been ticked as "Share level control"( Enables
>you to supply a password for each shared resource)
>I think now this should be changed to "User level control" ( Enables you to
>specify users and groups who have access to each shared resource) Obtain
>list of users and groups from-----------------------

Keep the "Share level" setting. "User level" isn't available in a
workgroup network with 98 and XP -- it requires a domain network with
a server computer.

>I tried //OEMCOMPUTER or Freeserve but neither were accepted. If you think
>this is the right choice how do I define the users and groups?
>Blair

You can't. There's no way to define users and groups in a workgroup.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm