Network sharing with NAT32

Hello!

I have Deamon Internet broadband which comes into my computer via USB
SpeedTouch modem. System is Win98 SE and ICS is turned on. I installed
10/100 LAN aswell and set it's IP 192.168.0.2 and mask 255.255.255.0.
>From LAN I connected Netgear Wireless router. I configured wireless
router so that it should get from gateway 191.168.0.2 IP-s via DHCP. So
I thought it should work without NAT program if I installed ICS but it
didn't so I downloaded NAT32 and spent many days now already trying to
get everything to work but it doesn't. What should I do in NAT32. I
read manual, too but I can't understand what I have to do.

Or is there any easyer software that NAT32?

Kaspar

On 3 Sep 2005, "Smaug" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>From LAN I connected Netgear Wireless router. I configured wireless
>router so that it should get from gateway 191.168.0.2 IP-s via DHCP.

What router ? If it has a built in ADSL modem that'd be best, so your
LAN could be like <http://mywebpages.org/Wireless-Aceex.jpg> (see the
thread about an Aceex wireless unit in a LAN).

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 12:02:29 -0700, Smaug wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I have Deamon Internet broadband which comes into my computer via USB
> SpeedTouch modem. System is Win98 SE and ICS is turned on. I installed
> 10/100 LAN aswell and set it's IP 192.168.0.2 and mask 255.255.255.0.
>>From LAN I connected Netgear Wireless router. I configured wireless
> router so that it should get from gateway 191.168.0.2 IP-s via DHCP. So I
> thought it should work without NAT program if I installed ICS but it
> didn't so I downloaded NAT32 and spent many days now already trying to get
> everything to work but it doesn't. What should I do in NAT32. I read
> manual, too but I can't understand what I have to do.
>
> Or is there any easyer software that NAT32?
>
> Kaspar

Ok get rid of NAT32, windows ICS performs the NAT translation for you.
ICS also provides the DHCP service so make sure DHCP is turned off in the
Netgear Wireless router. ICS will allocate dynamic ip addresses on
wireless devices as well.

You need to allocate manually an ip address to the Netgear Wireless router
I would suggest 192.168.0.254 and mask 255.255.255.0

Hope yhis helps, grahamw

On 3 Sep 2005 12:02:29 -0700, "Smaug" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I have Deamon Internet broadband which comes into my computer via USB
>SpeedTouch modem. System is Win98 SE and ICS is turned on. I installed
>10/100 LAN aswell and set it's IP 192.168.0.2 and mask 255.255.255.0.
>>From LAN I connected Netgear Wireless router. I configured wireless
>router so that it should get from gateway 191.168.0.2 IP-s via DHCP.

ICS makes the ethernet NIC 192.168.0.1 so you may have broken it doing
it that way.

Why are you using a wireless router to do the job of an access point ?
can it be set into access point mode ?

otherwise you need to do some fudging as it will be a double-NAT setup
wireless PCs to Netgear on say 192.168.1.x addresses and Netgear WAN
port on a 192.168.0.x address talking to ICS PC.

Phil
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"Phil Thompson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On 3 Sep 2005 12:02:29 -0700, "Smaug" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >I have Deamon Internet broadband which comes into my computer via USB
> >SpeedTouch modem. System is Win98 SE and ICS is turned on. I installed
> >10/100 LAN aswell and set it's IP 192.168.0.2 and mask 255.255.255.0.
> >>From LAN I connected Netgear Wireless router. I configured wireless
> >router so that it should get from gateway 191.168.0.2 IP-s via DHCP.
>
> ICS makes the ethernet NIC 192.168.0.1 so you may have broken it doing
> it that way.

By all accounts, ICS on Win98 is very fussy; it may have broken itself
without any need for user intervention.

> Why are you using a wireless router to do the job of an access point ?
> can it be set into access point mode ?

I really think you confuse the issue by talking of "access point mode"
(which I can't recall anyone else mentioning, ever). From your previous
posts this seems to do nothing more than effectively turn the WAN port into
an extra LAN port.

> otherwise you need to do some fudging as it will be a double-NAT setup
> wireless PCs to Netgear on say 192.168.1.x addresses and Netgear WAN
> port on a 192.168.0.x address talking to ICS PC.

No, you don't need to do this in any case. It would be better to ignore the
router part of the router entirely:
- Give the router a suitable LAN IP address in the ICS range (192.168.0.x,
2 <= x <= 254) and subnet mask (255.255.255.0).
- Disable the router's DHCP server.
- Leave the router's WAN port unconected.
- Connect the ICS PC to any LAN port of the router.

Better still would be to replace the router with one that has a built-in
ADSL modem, and forget all about problems with ICS and NAT32.

Alex

In article <(E-Mail Removed). com>,
(E-Mail Removed) says...
> Hello!
>
> I have Deamon Internet broadband which comes into my computer via USB
> SpeedTouch modem. System is Win98 SE and ICS is turned on. I installed
> 10/100 LAN aswell and set it's IP 192.168.0.2 and mask 255.255.255.0.

Windows ICS will only work properly if the host PC is 192.168.0.1

> >From LAN I connected Netgear Wireless router.

Which model?

> I configured wireless
> router so that it should get from gateway 191.168.0.2 IP-s via DHCP. So
^^^^^^^^^^^
presumably you meant to write 192.168.0.1

> I thought it should work without NAT program if I installed ICS but it
> didn't

That's because you've messed up the ICS configuration.

In article <(E-Mail Removed)> ,
(E-Mail Removed) says...
> In article <(E-Mail Removed). com>,
> (E-Mail Removed) says...
> > Hello!
> >
> > I have Deamon Internet broadband which comes into my computer via USB
> > SpeedTouch modem. System is Win98 SE and ICS is turned on. I installed
> > 10/100 LAN aswell and set it's IP 192.168.0.2 and mask 255.255.255.0.
>
> Windows ICS will only work properly if the host PC is 192.168.0.1
>
> > >From LAN I connected Netgear Wireless router.
>
> Which model?
>
> > I configured wireless
> > router so that it should get from gateway 191.168.0.2 IP-s via DHCP. So
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
> presumably you meant to write 192.168.0.1

or 192.168.0.2 even :-\
>
> > I thought it should work without NAT program if I installed ICS but it
> > didn't
>
> That's because you've messed up the ICS configuration.
>

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 01:22:12 +0100, "Alex Fraser" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>I really think you confuse the issue by talking of "access point mode"
>(which I can't recall anyone else mentioning, ever). From your previous
>posts this seems to do nothing more than effectively turn the WAN port into
>an extra LAN port.

it turns off the routing. So the thing can run as an access point. At
least two "wireless routers" offer this. A single step drop down
action in the user interface that turns off all the things you don't
want happening.

I don't know if its an advantage over your suggested kludge of using a
LAN port. It would be if all the ports were in use, and maybe allows
content filtering and other functionality to be maintained.

Phil
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"Phil Thompson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 01:22:12 +0100, "Alex Fraser" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
> >I really think you confuse the issue by talking of "access point mode"
> >(which I can't recall anyone else mentioning, ever). From your previous
> >posts this seems to do nothing more than effectively turn the WAN port
> >into an extra LAN port.
>
> it turns off the routing.

You don't need to turn it off, you can just ignore it. No practical
difference.

> So the thing can run as an access point.

It is always an access point, unless you disable it.

> At least two "wireless routers" offer this.

Those two being? (I'd like to read the manuals.)

> A single step drop down action in the user interface that turns off
> all the things you don't want happening.

Does it disable the DHCP server? Or just prevent it from giving gateway and
DNS server information with DHCP leases?

> I don't know if its an advantage over your suggested kludge of using a
> LAN port.

I don't see it (AP mode) as simplifying configuration compared to my
suggestion. If it doesn't turn the DHCP server off then it is an additional
step; if it does then it takes the place of turning the DHCP server off.

> It would be if all the ports were in use,

Yeah, it does buy you an extra port.

> and maybe allows content filtering and other functionality to be
> maintained.

If they are maintained, then I would guess that the WAN port is bridged to
the LAN ports and access point in software. This may limit the effective
bandwidth of the WAN port to a few Mbit/s. (If so, and you connected a PC
running ICS to the WAN port, the speed of file transfers to/from that PC
would be limited.)

Obviously, this all depends on the design - the problem may not exist. Even
if it does it may not be an issue anyway.

Alex

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:15:17 +0100, "Alex Fraser" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>You don't need to turn it off, you can just ignore it. No practical
>difference.

one less IP address and range to think about if it isn't in routing
mode.

>It is always an access point, unless you disable it.

manufacturers persist in selling wireless routers and wireless access
points as different products, so I guess they like me see them as
something different.

>> At least two "wireless routers" offer this.
>Those two being? (I'd like to read the manuals.)

there was a Safecom mentioned on here a couple of weeks back, Belkin
F5D7230uk4. Probably several others if one looked, "Access point mode"
in Google looks promising.

>Does it disable the DHCP server? Or just prevent it from giving gateway and
>DNS server information with DHCP leases?

default was to disable.

Phil
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