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Tim Smith
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      02-27-2005, 03:14 PM
Hi all,

I hope someone can help with this problem as I have been struggling for some
time now. I have been asked to do a little work on the network at my wifes
work

The setup is as follows.

Windows 2003 Server machine running a BT COnnect ADSL connection via a USB
modem. IP address 213.123.xxx.xxx. This machine also has two ethernet ports
192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2 (subnet masks 255.255.255.0). The default route
is set as 192.168.0.1 and DNS is 192.168.0.1 for both ports. I didnt really
understand the benefit of two ports.

The other machine in the network (5 of 'em) all run Windows XP.

Some machine are configured as DHCP from teh server (and pick up default
route of 192.168.0.1) and have a DNS configured as 192.168.0.1. The other
machines are configured statically and have a deault route of 192.168.0.1
and DNS of 192.168.0.1. There is also a network printer (Xerox Phaser 860)
configured with an IP of 192.168.0.110 and default route of 192.168.0.1.

Here is the problem.

I thought it would be a good idea, security-wise and to allow a VPN
connection to install an ADSL router instead (got the Vigor 2600+).

To all minimum changes to the network at one time, I isntalled this as
192.168.0.101. It picked up the same WAN address as the server had had.

Now the machines, that were configured statically, I changed to point to
192.168.0.101 as DNS and default route.

The machines that were configured by DHCP I left picking up details form
server (minimum changes at one go), but I did change there DNS to
192.168.0.101.

On the server I changed the default route and DNS to 192.168.0.101 for both
ethernet cards. I guess that machines that are dynamically allocated now go
via the server and hten the router to get to the outside work which isnt
great but should work for now.

However since doing this, the network printer has been really slow.

If I print a test page, I can see the most of the document size go into the
queue (looking from Windows). This then sits there for approximately a
minute before printing and removing from queue.

If I power off the router but leave all other configuration in place, the
printer pritns within 10 seconds or so.

One machine, has the same printer connected via two methods (ethernet and
parallel). The parallel prints instantly if used through the parallel port
so it is not hte printer.

I cannot understand why this is the case as the only thing changed is the
the default routes and these should only take effect if the machines talking
to each otehr (pritner and pc) are on different networks.

The communication must also be tehre because the print does happen
eventually.

Thanks for any help

Tim


 
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Grant
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      03-04-2005, 08:12 PM

"Tim Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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| Hi all,
|
| I hope someone can help with this problem as I have been struggling for
some
| time now. I have been asked to do a little work on the network at my wifes
| work
|
| The setup is as follows.
|
| Windows 2003 Server machine running a BT COnnect ADSL connection via a USB
| modem. IP address 213.123.xxx.xxx. This machine also has two ethernet
ports
| 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2 (subnet masks 255.255.255.0). The default
route
| is set as 192.168.0.1 and DNS is 192.168.0.1 for both ports. I didnt
really
| understand the benefit of two ports.
|
| The other machine in the network (5 of 'em) all run Windows XP.
|
| Some machine are configured as DHCP from teh server (and pick up default
| route of 192.168.0.1) and have a DNS configured as 192.168.0.1. The other
| machines are configured statically and have a deault route of 192.168.0.1
| and DNS of 192.168.0.1. There is also a network printer (Xerox Phaser 860)
| configured with an IP of 192.168.0.110 and default route of 192.168.0.1.
|
| Here is the problem.
|
| I thought it would be a good idea, security-wise and to allow a VPN
| connection to install an ADSL router instead (got the Vigor 2600+).
|
| To all minimum changes to the network at one time, I isntalled this as
| 192.168.0.101. It picked up the same WAN address as the server had had.
|
| Now the machines, that were configured statically, I changed to point to
| 192.168.0.101 as DNS and default route.
|
| The machines that were configured by DHCP I left picking up details form
| server (minimum changes at one go), but I did change there DNS to
| 192.168.0.101.
|
| On the server I changed the default route and DNS to 192.168.0.101 for
both
| ethernet cards. I guess that machines that are dynamically allocated now
go
| via the server and hten the router to get to the outside work which isnt
| great but should work for now.
|
| However since doing this, the network printer has been really slow.
|
| If I print a test page, I can see the most of the document size go into
the
| queue (looking from Windows). This then sits there for approximately a
| minute before printing and removing from queue.
|
| If I power off the router but leave all other configuration in place, the
| printer pritns within 10 seconds or so.
|
| One machine, has the same printer connected via two methods (ethernet and
| parallel). The parallel prints instantly if used through the parallel port
| so it is not hte printer.
|
| I cannot understand why this is the case as the only thing changed is the
| the default routes and these should only take effect if the machines
talking
| to each otehr (pritner and pc) are on different networks.
|
| The communication must also be tehre because the print does happen
| eventually.
|
| Thanks for any help
|
| Tim
|
|
sounds like a DNS issue to me:

In your config you should have set the DHCP server to allocate a default
gateway of 192.168.0.101 to its clients. Then all static clients have the
default gateway set manually.

If your Server is running as a Domain Controller with a local DNS zone then
by changing the DNS server for the clients to that of the router (which in
turn will be using your ISPs DNS presumably) local DNS lookups will not be
happening and eventually will fail - then NetBIOS resolution eventually
kicks in and after a while the job prints.

To test this theory put one of your client's DNS back to point at the server
and see if it prints quickly.

If this is indeed the case, then all your clients will need to have the
server as their DNS provider and the server should be set up so that the DNS
will not only provide local lookups but will also act as a cached lookup
server by enabling a DNS forwarder address of the router.

You don't need both server Ethernet interfaces to be plugged into the same
subnet as long as all services are available on one of them.

Grant
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      03-07-2005, 06:20 AM
"Grant" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Tim Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:4221f1cf$0$26753$(E-Mail Removed) ...
> | Hi all,
> |
> | I hope someone can help with this problem as I have been struggling for
> some
> | time now. I have been asked to do a little work on the network at my

wifes
> | work
> |
> | The setup is as follows.
> |
> | Windows 2003 Server machine running a BT COnnect ADSL connection via a

USB
> | modem. IP address 213.123.xxx.xxx. This machine also has two ethernet
> ports
> | 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2 (subnet masks 255.255.255.0). The default
> route
> | is set as 192.168.0.1 and DNS is 192.168.0.1 for both ports. I didnt
> really
> | understand the benefit of two ports.
> |
> | The other machine in the network (5 of 'em) all run Windows XP.
> |
> | Some machine are configured as DHCP from teh server (and pick up default
> | route of 192.168.0.1) and have a DNS configured as 192.168.0.1. The

other
> | machines are configured statically and have a deault route of

192.168.0.1
> | and DNS of 192.168.0.1. There is also a network printer (Xerox Phaser

860)
> | configured with an IP of 192.168.0.110 and default route of 192.168.0.1.
> |
> | Here is the problem.
> |
> | I thought it would be a good idea, security-wise and to allow a VPN
> | connection to install an ADSL router instead (got the Vigor 2600+).
> |
> | To all minimum changes to the network at one time, I isntalled this as
> | 192.168.0.101. It picked up the same WAN address as the server had had.
> |
> | Now the machines, that were configured statically, I changed to point to
> | 192.168.0.101 as DNS and default route.
> |
> | The machines that were configured by DHCP I left picking up details form
> | server (minimum changes at one go), but I did change there DNS to
> | 192.168.0.101.
> |
> | On the server I changed the default route and DNS to 192.168.0.101 for
> both
> | ethernet cards. I guess that machines that are dynamically allocated now
> go
> | via the server and hten the router to get to the outside work which isnt
> | great but should work for now.
> |
> | However since doing this, the network printer has been really slow.
> |
> | If I print a test page, I can see the most of the document size go into
> the
> | queue (looking from Windows). This then sits there for approximately a
> | minute before printing and removing from queue.
> |
> | If I power off the router but leave all other configuration in place,

the
> | printer pritns within 10 seconds or so.
> |
> | One machine, has the same printer connected via two methods (ethernet

and
> | parallel). The parallel prints instantly if used through the parallel

port
> | so it is not hte printer.
> |
> | I cannot understand why this is the case as the only thing changed is

the
> | the default routes and these should only take effect if the machines
> talking
> | to each otehr (pritner and pc) are on different networks.
> |
> | The communication must also be tehre because the print does happen
> | eventually.
> |
> | Thanks for any help
> |
> | Tim
> |
> |
> sounds like a DNS issue to me:
>
> In your config you should have set the DHCP server to allocate a default
> gateway of 192.168.0.101 to its clients. Then all static clients have the
> default gateway set manually.
>
> If your Server is running as a Domain Controller with a local DNS zone

then
> by changing the DNS server for the clients to that of the router (which in
> turn will be using your ISPs DNS presumably) local DNS lookups will not be
> happening and eventually will fail - then NetBIOS resolution eventually
> kicks in and after a while the job prints.
>
> To test this theory put one of your client's DNS back to point at the

server
> and see if it prints quickly.
>
> If this is indeed the case, then all your clients will need to have the
> server as their DNS provider and the server should be set up so that the

DNS
> will not only provide local lookups but will also act as a cached lookup
> server by enabling a DNS forwarder address of the router.
>
> You don't need both server Ethernet interfaces to be plugged into the same
> subnet as long as all services are available on one of them.
>
> Grant
> --
>
>
>

Grant,

Thanks for the reply. I did have another go this weekend although I hadnt
seen your post at that point.

The only thing I did find was that I can reproduce the same symptoms by
using a PC, the printer and a cross over cable. I did take an ethereal trace
at the same time and can see very few packets between the two for about a
minute and then something kicks in an everything starts happening. Trying to
decode what happens is beyond me though....

Thanks for the help

Tim


 
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