Network Neighbourhood sees one way only!

have a 2 PC network
PC 1 is Win XP Pc 2 is Win 98se

Both PC's can access the internet via router.

I can see the win 98se PC and access its files from the XP Pc

BUT when I choose network places on the desktop of the 98se PC it does not
show anything??

Why is it one way viewing and how do I correct it??

MikeR-Oz wrote:

> have a 2 PC network
> PC 1 is Win XP Pc 2 is Win 98se
>
> Both PC's can access the internet via router.
>
> I can see the win 98se PC and access its files from the XP Pc
>
> BUT when I choose network places on the desktop of the 98se PC it does
> not show anything??
>
> Why is it one way viewing and how do I correct it??

The most common reason for this is a misconfigured firewall. You don't
mention what service pack level your XP machine is, but SP2 has the
Windows Firewall enabled automatically. If you are running a
third-party firewall, disable the WF and configure the other firewall
to allow lan traffic as trusted. If you are only using the WF, make
sure you've checked File & Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab.

If you have XP Home, this should do it. You can also run the Network
Setup Wizard on the XP machine. Here's information from MVP Steve
Winograd how to run the Wizard on Win98:

Transfer this file, which contains the Wizard, from WIN XP to Windows98
and run it on 98. You can E-mail it, burn it to a CD, etc:

C:\Windows\System32\Netsetup.exe

To set up Windows 98 manually, without using the Wizard, go to Control
Panel>Network and:

1. Add these network components if they aren't already present:

TCP/IP protocol
Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks

2. Remove these network components if they're present:

IPX/SPX protocol
NetBEUI protocol
Client for NetWare networks

3. Set the workgroup name to the same name as the Windows XP computer
uses (default for XP is MSHOME).

4. Right-click and share any desired disks, folders, and printers.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Thanks - It is XP SP2 and if I disable the firewall is that a good thing??
Or do you mean disable with some kind of parameters set?

I used the XP CD to install the netwizard on the 98se PC

Any more advise?

Mike

"Malke" wrote:

> MikeR-Oz wrote:
>
> > have a 2 PC network
> > PC 1 is Win XP Pc 2 is Win 98se
> >
> > Both PC's can access the internet via router.
> >
> > I can see the win 98se PC and access its files from the XP Pc
> >
> > BUT when I choose network places on the desktop of the 98se PC it does
> > not show anything??
> >
> > Why is it one way viewing and how do I correct it??
>
> The most common reason for this is a misconfigured firewall. You don't
> mention what service pack level your XP machine is, but SP2 has the
> Windows Firewall enabled automatically. If you are running a
> third-party firewall, disable the WF and configure the other firewall
> to allow lan traffic as trusted. If you are only using the WF, make
> sure you've checked File & Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab.
>
> If you have XP Home, this should do it. You can also run the Network
> Setup Wizard on the XP machine. Here's information from MVP Steve
> Winograd how to run the Wizard on Win98:
>
> Transfer this file, which contains the Wizard, from WIN XP to Windows98
> and run it on 98. You can E-mail it, burn it to a CD, etc:
>
> C:\Windows\System32\Netsetup.exe
>
> To set up Windows 98 manually, without using the Wizard, go to Control
> Panel>Network and:
>
> 1. Add these network components if they aren't already present:
>
> TCP/IP protocol
> Client for Microsoft Networks
> File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
>
> 2. Remove these network components if they're present:
>
> IPX/SPX protocol
> NetBEUI protocol
> Client for NetWare networks
>
> 3. Set the workgroup name to the same name as the Windows XP computer
> uses (default for XP is MSHOME).
>
> 4. Right-click and share any desired disks, folders, and printers.
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>

MikeR-Oz wrote:

> Thanks - It is XP SP2 and if I disable the firewall is that a good
> thing?? Or do you mean disable with some kind of parameters set?
>
> I used the XP CD to install the netwizard on the 98se PC

You should never connect to the Internet without a firewall in place.
Configure your firewall to allow the lan.

>>If you are only using the WF, make sure you've checked File & Printer
>>Sharing on the Exceptions tab.

And did you have a firewall on the Win98 machine? If so, you need to
configure it.

Otherwise, please post the exact text of the error message you get.
"Sees one way only" isn't enough information to help focus your
troubleshooting.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

OK -In 98se PC (no firewalls) I have the Client for Microsoft Networks,
TCP/IP Protocol, File and Print Sharing for Microsoft Networks all installed.

under CP\Network\ The first tab has 'Primary Network Logon' => Windows
Logon.
under the Identification tab 'WorkGroups' =>>i t has MSHOME. ( the XP Sp2
has Mshome as it's Workgroup).

Access is 'shared level access' selected.

The XP Pc has firewall enabled but the exceptions seem OK

So... When I use the 98 PC and click on Neetwork Neighbourhood I get a torch
scanning but cannot find the XP PC , I have had the ICON => 'Entire Network'
show sometimmes but again it does not find anything when clicked and gives
the ERROR message 'Unable to browse the network. The network is not
accsessible. For more info ...Help index...'

I can see however the 98 PC from the XP PC.

Mike

"Malke" wrote:

> MikeR-Oz wrote:
>
> > Thanks - It is XP SP2 and if I disable the firewall is that a good
> > thing?? Or do you mean disable with some kind of parameters set?
> >
> > I used the XP CD to install the netwizard on the 98se PC
>
> You should never connect to the Internet without a firewall in place.
> Configure your firewall to allow the lan.
>
> >>If you are only using the WF, make sure you've checked File & Printer
> >>Sharing on the Exceptions tab.
>
> And did you have a firewall on the Win98 machine? If so, you need to
> configure it.
>
> Otherwise, please post the exact text of the error message you get.
> "Sees one way only" isn't enough information to help focus your
> troubleshooting.
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>

MikeR-Oz wrote:

> OK -In 98se PC (no firewalls) I have the Client for Microsoft
> Networks, TCP/IP Protocol, File and Print Sharing for Microsoft
> Networks all installed.
>
> under CP\Network\ The first tab has 'Primary Network Logon' =>
> Windows Logon.
> under the Identification tab 'WorkGroups' =>>i t has MSHOME. ( the XP
> Sp2 has Mshome as it's Workgroup).
>
> Access is 'shared level access' selected.
>
> The XP Pc has firewall enabled but the exceptions seem OK
>
> So... When I use the 98 PC and click on Neetwork Neighbourhood I get a
> torch
> scanning but cannot find the XP PC , I have had the ICON => 'Entire
> Network' show sometimmes but again it does not find anything when
> clicked and gives the ERROR message 'Unable to browse the network. The
> network is not accsessible. For more info ...Help index...'
>
> I can see however the 98 PC from the XP PC.

You should be using Client for MS Networks instead of Windows Logon on
Win98. After you make that change, see if you can find the Win98 box
from the XP box by using Search>Computers on the network. The Workgroup
doesn't matter; Windows computers do not need to be in the same
Workgroup. Workgroup is only a cosmetic/organizational device.

What is the structure of the network? Are you connecting both machines
via ethernet to a wireless router? Or possibly you are connecting the
XP box via a wireless router (since you posted in the wireless
networking group)? Can the Win98 box access the Internet? How are IP
addresses assigned? On the Win98 box, do Start>Run>winipcfg [enter] and
after adjusting to the correct network device (probably your ethernet
card), tell us the IP address and subnet. Then on the XP box, do
Start>Run>cmd [enter]
ipconfig /all [enter]

to tell us the same thing.

Have you made any shares on the Win98 box? If not, share something by
right-clicking on it and choosing "Sharing".

While you think about organizing the details of your network for your
next post, you might instead want to go through this network
troubleshooter by MVP Hans-Georg Michna:

http://winhlp.com/wxnet.htm

If you take the time to go through it, it will often pinpoint the
problem areas.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

I appreciate all your time- I will read the article and step through all that
is said.As I by the way -.... I have tried previously changing to Client for
Microsoft instead of Widows log on (did'nt seem to make any difference) and
it gave me a password screen at the boot up in which I clicked cancel and
then it loaded te desktop. SO... Do I need to have that password log on
screen - I would rather not.

My Network is a Netgear Wireless Router WGR614 which connects via a cable
to the Main PC 's NIC (XP) and a wirless WG311 NIC to the second (Win98) Both
PC's can accsess the internet through the router and I do have sharing
selected on the PC's. It is just that the XP can see and access files folders
etc on the 98se but the 98se will not see anything of the network.

Cheers
Have a great Chrissy and appreciate your advice- Great to have forums and
people like yourself able to and prepared to give up there time for newbies
like me.
Mike

The network

"Malke" wrote:

> MikeR-Oz wrote:
>
> > OK -In 98se PC (no firewalls) I have the Client for Microsoft
> > Networks, TCP/IP Protocol, File and Print Sharing for Microsoft
> > Networks all installed.
> >
> > under CP\Network\ The first tab has 'Primary Network Logon' =>
> > Windows Logon.
> > under the Identification tab 'WorkGroups' =>>i t has MSHOME. ( the XP
> > Sp2 has Mshome as it's Workgroup).
> >
> > Access is 'shared level access' selected.
> >
> > The XP Pc has firewall enabled but the exceptions seem OK
> >
> > So... When I use the 98 PC and click on Neetwork Neighbourhood I get a
> > torch
> > scanning but cannot find the XP PC , I have had the ICON => 'Entire
> > Network' show sometimmes but again it does not find anything when
> > clicked and gives the ERROR message 'Unable to browse the network. The
> > network is not accsessible. For more info ...Help index...'
> >
> > I can see however the 98 PC from the XP PC.
>
> You should be using Client for MS Networks instead of Windows Logon on
> Win98. After you make that change, see if you can find the Win98 box
> from the XP box by using Search>Computers on the network. The Workgroup
> doesn't matter; Windows computers do not need to be in the same
> Workgroup. Workgroup is only a cosmetic/organizational device.
>
> What is the structure of the network? Are you connecting both machines
> via ethernet to a wireless router? Or possibly you are connecting the
> XP box via a wireless router (since you posted in the wireless
> networking group)? Can the Win98 box access the Internet? How are IP
> addresses assigned? On the Win98 box, do Start>Run>winipcfg [enter] and
> after adjusting to the correct network device (probably your ethernet
> card), tell us the IP address and subnet. Then on the XP box, do
> Start>Run>cmd [enter]
> ipconfig /all [enter]
>
> to tell us the same thing.
>
> Have you made any shares on the Win98 box? If not, share something by
> right-clicking on it and choosing "Sharing".
>
> While you think about organizing the details of your network for your
> next post, you might instead want to go through this network
> troubleshooter by MVP Hans-Georg Michna:
>
> http://winhlp.com/wxnet.htm
>
> If you take the time to go through it, it will often pinpoint the
> problem areas.
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>

MikeR-Oz wrote:

Comments inline:

> I appreciate all your time- I will read the article and step through
> all that is said.As I by the way -.... I have tried previously
> changing to Client for Microsoft instead of Widows log on (did'nt seem
> to make any difference) and it gave me a password screen at the boot
> up in which I clicked cancel and then it loaded te desktop. SO... Do I
> need to have that password log on screen - I would rather not.

Use Client for MS Networks and assign a password in Win98. Then use
TweakUI (you'll need to Google for it and make sure you get the one for
Win98 and not the current one which is for XP) and set Automatic Logon.
That way you'll still see the logon box but it will be automatically
dealt with and disappear almost immediately. You won't have to type
anything in.
>
> My Network is a Netgear Wireless Router WGR614 which connects via a
> cable to the Main PC 's NIC (XP) and a wirless WG311 NIC to the second
> (Win98) Both PC's can accsess the internet through the router and I do
> have sharing selected on the PC's. It is just that the XP can see and
> access files folders etc on the 98se but the 98se will not see
> anything of the network.

I no longer remember all the details of what version of XP you are
running, but I assume it is Home Edition. I should still like the
answers to these questions that I asked you before:

1. Can you find the Win98 box from the XP box by using Search>Computers
on the network.

2. On the Win98 box, do Start>Run>winipcfg [enter] and after adjusting
to the correct network device, tell us the IP address and subnet.

3. On the XP box, do Start>Run>cmd [enter]
ipconfig /all [enter]

to tell us the same thing.

Malke
--
MS-MVP Windows User/Shell
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic"

Malke wrote:
>
> MikeR-Oz wrote:
>
> > have a 2 PC network
> > PC 1 is Win XP Pc 2 is Win 98se
> >
> > Both PC's can access the internet via router.
> >
> > I can see the win 98se PC and access its files from the XP Pc
> >
> > BUT when I choose network places on the desktop of the 98se PC it does
> > not show anything??
> >
> > Why is it one way viewing and how do I correct it??
>
> The most common reason for this is a misconfigured firewall. You don't
> mention what service pack level your XP machine is, but SP2 has the
> Windows Firewall enabled automatically. If you are running a
> third-party firewall, disable the WF and configure the other firewall
> to allow lan traffic as trusted. If you are only using the WF, make
> sure you've checked File & Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab.
>
> If you have XP Home, this should do it. You can also run the Network
> Setup Wizard on the XP machine. Here's information from MVP Steve
> Winograd how to run the Wizard on Win98:
>
> Transfer this file, which contains the Wizard, from WIN XP to Windows98
> and run it on 98. You can E-mail it, burn it to a CD, etc:
>
> C:\Windows\System32\Netsetup.exe
>
> To set up Windows 98 manually, without using the Wizard, go to Control
> Panel>Network and:
>
> 1. Add these network components if they aren't already present:
>
> TCP/IP protocol
> Client for Microsoft Networks
> File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
>
> 2. Remove these network components if they're present:
>
> IPX/SPX protocol
> NetBEUI protocol
> Client for NetWare networks
>
> 3. Set the workgroup name to the same name as the Windows XP computer
> uses (default for XP is MSHOME).
>
> 4. Right-click and share any desired disks, folders, and printers.
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Malke,

I have the same problem on my Win XP Pro computer only seeing one way to my Win 98 SE
machine. I looked for C:\Windows\System32\Netsetup.exe on my XP machine, and it's not
there. There is a file called Netsetup (316kb) under c:\I386. Version: 6.00.2448.0000
(Lab04_N(rahulth).010206-1320). Is this the same file?

I'd like to try it on my Win 98 machine. Someone else told me they did the same thing,
and even though the settings on the 98 machine looked the same, Network Neighborhood
started working properly after running this wizard.

Thanks!
Scott

Malke wrote:
>
> MikeR-Oz wrote:
>
> > have a 2 PC network
> > PC 1 is Win XP Pc 2 is Win 98se
> >
> > Both PC's can access the internet via router.
> >
> > I can see the win 98se PC and access its files from the XP Pc
> >
> > BUT when I choose network places on the desktop of the 98se PC it does
> > not show anything??
> >
> > Why is it one way viewing and how do I correct it??
>
> The most common reason for this is a misconfigured firewall. You don't
> mention what service pack level your XP machine is, but SP2 has the
> Windows Firewall enabled automatically. If you are running a
> third-party firewall, disable the WF and configure the other firewall
> to allow lan traffic as trusted. If you are only using the WF, make
> sure you've checked File & Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab.
>
> If you have XP Home, this should do it. You can also run the Network
> Setup Wizard on the XP machine. Here's information from MVP Steve
> Winograd how to run the Wizard on Win98:
>
> Transfer this file, which contains the Wizard, from WIN XP to Windows98
> and run it on 98. You can E-mail it, burn it to a CD, etc:
>
> C:\Windows\System32\Netsetup.exe
>
> To set up Windows 98 manually, without using the Wizard, go to Control
> Panel>Network and:
>
> 1. Add these network components if they aren't already present:
>
> TCP/IP protocol
> Client for Microsoft Networks
> File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
>
> 2. Remove these network components if they're present:
>
> IPX/SPX protocol
> NetBEUI protocol
> Client for NetWare networks
>
> 3. Set the workgroup name to the same name as the Windows XP computer
> uses (default for XP is MSHOME).
>
> 4. Right-click and share any desired disks, folders, and printers.
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Malke,

The only other thing different about my setup was that even though I used Client for
Microsoft Networks, the password login box would not appear during bootup. I even removed
Client for Microsoft and reinstalled, it but no change. Is that a clue?

Thanks again!
Scott