NetGear FVS124G and ADSL Connection help needed

I recently purchased a NetGear FVS124G Dual WAN router
(http://www.netgear.com/products/details/FVS124G.php), to run both NTL cable
Broadband and an ADSL connection through Toucansurf
(http://www.toucan.com/products/toucansurf/) using a Linksys ADSL2 Ethernet
modem.

The router sets the NTL Broadband up fine, but refuses to work with the ADSL
modem. The modem has been bridged and the Username & Password put into the
router, yet I get no IP Address, Gateway IP address or anything from inside
the routers control panel, it's like the modem does not even exist.

There is one other setting in the routers control panel in a drop down box
"Other (PPPoE), Austria (PPTP) and BigPond Cable"; it's currently set to
"Other (PPPoE)".

I don't know exactly what PPPoE is, but believe it's has something to do
with the way it connects to my ISP.

When the modem runs on its own, it will only connect to my ISP when set to
PPPoA, so I can only assume this is the only method the router will also
connect to my ISP, yet PPPoA is not listed within the router!

Am I correct in thinking PPPoA and PPPoE is my problem here, and if so, is
there a way around it?

This is my router status with the modem connected in bridged mode:

********
WAN1 Configuration
WAN Mode rollover-primary
WAN State Down
NAT (Network Address Translation) enabled
Connection Type PPPOE
Connection State Control Connection Negotiation Phase
IP Address 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask 0.0.0.0
Gateway 0.0.0.0
Primary DNS 0.0.0.0
Secondary DNS 0.0.0.0
********

And although I still cannot access the internet, this is the router status
without the modem bridged:

WAN1 Configuration
WAN Mode rollover-primary
WAN State Up
NAT (Network Address Translation) enabled
Connection Type DHCP
Connection State Up
IP Address 192.168.1.2
Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0
Gateway 192.168.1.1
Primary DNS 192.168.1.1
Secondary DNS 0.0.0.0

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thankyou!

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:50:56 GMT, "raider" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I don't know exactly what PPPoE is, but believe it's has something to do
>with the way it connects to my ISP.

Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet, its what carries your TCP/IP
traffic over the link to the ISP. PPPover ATM is BT's standard,
encapsulating the PPP frames into ATM cells without the extra overhead
of ethernet.

>When the modem runs on its own, it will only connect to my ISP when set to
>PPPoA, so I can only assume this is the only method the router will also
>connect to my ISP, yet PPPoA is not listed within the router!

pretty standard, "broadband routers" by and large are pigs to setup
with ADSL as they assume you have a transparent modem and the router
is going to do the user/password stuff with PPPoE like they do in the
USofA.

>Am I correct in thinking PPPoA and PPPoE is my problem here, and if so, is
>there a way around it?

I think you're right. I haven't played with an ADSL2MUE to know all
its options. You have two options I think,

a) persuade the ADSL2MUE to authenticate with PPPoA (ie the suer/pass
settings go in the modem) then present the data to the router with the
router on an internal IP address. Can the router be set to use a DHCP
client on this WAN port ?

b) scratch around with the MUE or other devices to find one that has
some sort of bridging / transparent mode that lets the router think it
is using PPPoE but it isn't. The old X-modem had some sort of IP
hand-over technology to give the router the external IP.

So in part it depends what the Netgear can cope with - if it will
accept a 192.168 type internal IP address on a WAN port it should be
happy with the Linksys modem.

Phil
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Hi

Unlikely that it has anything to do with PPPo authentication settings,
more likely you didn't adjust IP addresses of the various devices correctly.

Which Linksys ADSL modem do you have? Did you make sure that it's IP
address is not 192.168.1.1?

Both the cable and dsl modem have default private-ip-addresses, so does
the dual-wan-router. But for everything to work they have to be different.

I suggest you look through their settings, one at a time, and set them
accordingly...

cable modem IP: 192.168.1.1

DSL modem IP: 192.168.2.1

router IP: 192.168.3.1
DHCP range: 192.168.3.2 - 192.168.3.100
Gateway/DNS server: 192.168.3.1

(note: The different devices don't actually have to be on separate
subnets, but I like it this way better.)

Assuming the DSL modem syncs (shows up/down speeds in status screen when
logging into it's admin webpage) all should work now.
If you still have problems reset all devices to default and start from
scratch.

PS: The cable/dsl modem may need to be turned off and on again for a
moment when being moved from one PC/router port to anther (this is normal).

Kind Regards

Malte


raider wrote:
> I recently purchased a NetGear FVS124G Dual WAN router
> (http://www.netgear.com/products/details/FVS124G.php), to run both NTL cable
> Broadband and an ADSL connection through Toucansurf
> (http://www.toucan.com/products/toucansurf/) using a Linksys ADSL2 Ethernet
> modem.
>
> The router sets the NTL Broadband up fine, but refuses to work with the ADSL
> modem. The modem has been bridged and the Username & Password put into the
> router, yet I get no IP Address, Gateway IP address or anything from inside
> the routers control panel, it's like the modem does not even exist.
>
> There is one other setting in the routers control panel in a drop down box
> "Other (PPPoE), Austria (PPTP) and BigPond Cable"; it's currently set to
> "Other (PPPoE)".
>
> I don't know exactly what PPPoE is, but believe it's has something to do
> with the way it connects to my ISP.
>
> When the modem runs on its own, it will only connect to my ISP when set to
> PPPoA, so I can only assume this is the only method the router will also
> connect to my ISP, yet PPPoA is not listed within the router!
>
> Am I correct in thinking PPPoA and PPPoE is my problem here, and if so, is
> there a way around it?
>
> This is my router status with the modem connected in bridged mode:
>
> ********
> WAN1 Configuration
> WAN Mode rollover-primary
> WAN State Down
> NAT (Network Address Translation) enabled
> Connection Type PPPOE
> Connection State Control Connection Negotiation Phase
> IP Address 0.0.0.0
> Subnet Mask 0.0.0.0
> Gateway 0.0.0.0
> Primary DNS 0.0.0.0
> Secondary DNS 0.0.0.0
> ********
>
> And although I still cannot access the internet, this is the router status
> without the modem bridged:
>
> WAN1 Configuration
> WAN Mode rollover-primary
> WAN State Up
> NAT (Network Address Translation) enabled
> Connection Type DHCP
> Connection State Up
> IP Address 192.168.1.2
> Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0
> Gateway 192.168.1.1
> Primary DNS 192.168.1.1
> Secondary DNS 0.0.0.0
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thankyou!
>
>

Thanks Phil, I will look into your suggestions.

Kev

"Phil Thompson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:50:56 GMT, "raider" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >I don't know exactly what PPPoE is, but believe it's has something to do
> >with the way it connects to my ISP.
>
> Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet, its what carries your TCP/IP
> traffic over the link to the ISP. PPPover ATM is BT's standard,
> encapsulating the PPP frames into ATM cells without the extra overhead
> of ethernet.
>
> >When the modem runs on its own, it will only connect to my ISP when set
to
> >PPPoA, so I can only assume this is the only method the router will also
> >connect to my ISP, yet PPPoA is not listed within the router!
>
> pretty standard, "broadband routers" by and large are pigs to setup
> with ADSL as they assume you have a transparent modem and the router
> is going to do the user/password stuff with PPPoE like they do in the
> USofA.
>
> >Am I correct in thinking PPPoA and PPPoE is my problem here, and if so,
is
> >there a way around it?
>
> I think you're right. I haven't played with an ADSL2MUE to know all
> its options. You have two options I think,
>
> a) persuade the ADSL2MUE to authenticate with PPPoA (ie the suer/pass
> settings go in the modem) then present the data to the router with the
> router on an internal IP address. Can the router be set to use a DHCP
> client on this WAN port ?
>
> b) scratch around with the MUE or other devices to find one that has
> some sort of bridging / transparent mode that lets the router think it
> is using PPPoE but it isn't. The old X-modem had some sort of IP
> hand-over technology to give the router the external IP.
>
> So in part it depends what the Netgear can cope with - if it will
> accept a 192.168 type internal IP address on a WAN port it should be
> happy with the Linksys modem.
>
> Phil
> --
>
> Usenet spam eaten by a Hamster http://www.tglsoft.de/
> No more cable clowns :-))
> Please do not feed or re-quote the trolls.

> Which Linksys ADSL modem do you have?

ADSL2

Did you make sure that it's IP
> address is not 192.168.1.1?

Yes, changed the end to 100

> PS: The cable/dsl modem may need to be turned off and on again for a
> moment when being moved from one PC/router port to anther (this is
normal).

Yes, I found this.

Thanks for the Advice on setting the IP Addresses, will give this a go
tommorrow.

Kev