NetBeui networking problems

Hello:

I have two computers networked together with a 3' 1Gbit crossover cable.
Each PC has a 10/100 Ethernet card and each card is set to 100 full duplex.
Each of the cards is ONLY connected the NetBeui ( not TCP/IP ).

The first problem that I'm having is that when Windows is fully loaded, it
takes about a minute+ for the shared drive to appear in the network
neighborhood. What's causing this?

The second problem I'm having is that the maximum transfer rate is only
7.5MB/sec. Isn't the maximum transfer rate for a 100Mbps card supposed to
be 12.5MB/sec..... or does this only apply to TCP/IP?

TIA
Chris.

Several problems could exist.

1) you could have a bad cable (some cheap x-over cables only deal with
1,2,3,and 6 pins, so it only runs at 10Mbps). Try 2 straight cables and a
hub instead.

2) Are you sure that both ends are locked in at 100/full? Strange as it may
seem, some cards/ports/manufacturers don't like each other. Try setting
them both to autonegotiate -- if the system defaults to 10/half, then there
is a manufacturers conflict in the system.

3) Netbeui isn't the fastest protocol available. People choose it because
system identification is easy, but that's about all it has going for it.
You might get faster speeds if you changed over to ipx/spx.

4) Are the cards good quality, or are they linksys or d-link units? You get
what you pay for.


"Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hello:
>
> I have two computers networked together with a 3' 1Gbit crossover cable.
> Each PC has a 10/100 Ethernet card and each card is set to 100 full
duplex.
> Each of the cards is ONLY connected the NetBeui ( not TCP/IP ).
>
> The first problem that I'm having is that when Windows is fully loaded, it
> takes about a minute+ for the shared drive to appear in the network
> neighborhood. What's causing this?
>
> The second problem I'm having is that the maximum transfer rate is only
> 7.5MB/sec. Isn't the maximum transfer rate for a 100Mbps card supposed to
> be 12.5MB/sec..... or does this only apply to TCP/IP?
>
> TIA
> Chris.
>
>

"Gerry Voras" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Several problems could exist.
>
> 1) you could have a bad cable (some cheap x-over cables only deal with
> 1,2,3,and 6 pins, so it only runs at 10Mbps). Try 2 straight cables and a
> hub instead.
I checked the cable...it seems to have all 8 pins.
>
> 2) Are you sure that both ends are locked in at 100/full? Strange as it
may
> seem, some cards/ports/manufacturers don't like each other. Try setting
> them both to autonegotiate -- if the system defaults to 10/half, then
there
> is a manufacturers conflict in the system.
I set both cards to autoneg. ... it's the same 7.5Megabytes/sec. How do I
tell if both cards are locked @ 100/full?

>
> 3) Netbeui isn't the fastest protocol available. People choose it because
> system identification is easy, but that's about all it has going for it.
> You might get faster speeds if you changed over to ipx/spx.
Is there a sight which explains setup of IPX/SPX? Also, would this mean I
have to attach the protocol to TCP/IP? The reason I went with NetBeui is
because it does not require connection to TCP/IP....as advised by
www.grc.com .

>
> 4) Are the cards good quality, or are they linksys or d-link units? You
get
> what you pay for.
One is a 3com and the other is an SIS900 ( integrated into the
motherboard ). I guess I'll try to get another 3com....

> > 3) Netbeui isn't the fastest protocol available. People choose it
because
> > system identification is easy, but that's about all it has going for it.
> > You might get faster speeds if you changed over to ipx/spx.

Ok. I found a sight which explained how to setup IPX/SPX....funny thing is
that it's almost half as slow as NetBeui?!

See below


"Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Gerry Voras" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Several problems could exist.
> >
> > 1) you could have a bad cable (some cheap x-over cables only deal with
> > 1,2,3,and 6 pins, so it only runs at 10Mbps). Try 2 straight cables and
a
> > hub instead.
> I checked the cable...it seems to have all 8 pins.


But it doesn't mean that they are all corrected in the correct sequence

> >
> > 2) Are you sure that both ends are locked in at 100/full? Strange as it
> may
> > seem, some cards/ports/manufacturers don't like each other. Try setting
> > them both to autonegotiate -- if the system defaults to 10/half, then
> there
> > is a manufacturers conflict in the system.
> I set both cards to autoneg. ... it's the same 7.5Megabytes/sec. How do I
> tell if both cards are locked @ 100/full?

Most 10/100 cards will have a 3rd light for the 100 connection. Is it lit?

>
> >
> > 3) Netbeui isn't the fastest protocol available. People choose it
because
> > system identification is easy, but that's about all it has going for it.
> > You might get faster speeds if you changed over to ipx/spx.
> Is there a sight which explains setup of IPX/SPX? Also, would this mean I
> have to attach the protocol to TCP/IP? The reason I went with NetBeui is
> because it does not require connection to TCP/IP....as advised by
> www.grc.com .
>
> >

No, IPX/SPX is a protocol suite that can run by itself. Or, you could set
up your network with TCP/IP. I recommended IPX/SPX because the logical
addressing is pretty much automatic. BTW, there are plenty of places for
info on IPX/SPX, but much of it is advanced stuff.

> > 4) Are the cards good quality, or are they linksys or d-link units? You
> get
> > what you pay for.
> One is a 3com and the other is an SIS900 ( integrated into the
> motherboard ). I guess I'll try to get another 3com....
>
>
>

Yea, get another 3com. I recommend getting two 3c905 NICs.

I'm very surprised about that.

"Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> > > 3) Netbeui isn't the fastest protocol available. People choose it
> because
> > > system identification is easy, but that's about all it has going for
it.
> > > You might get faster speeds if you changed over to ipx/spx.
>
> Ok. I found a sight which explained how to setup IPX/SPX....funny thing is
> that it's almost half as slow as NetBeui?!
>
>