Net Nanny progs?

Hi Folks,

Some friends of ours have a couple of young girls and they are talking
about putting their (older) PC's on the net (WiFi router etc).

To that end they were asking about some form of 'protection' for the
kids / PC's and I wondered if anyone had any good workable 'Cyber
Nanny' type solutions (along with adult supervision etc) please?

I ask because there may be something free out there (along the lines
of Avast! / ZoneAlarm / AdAware etc (free / good)) before they go and
spend good money on something that doesn't work (like Norton AV)
<ducks> ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

In MsgID<(E-Mail Removed)> within
uk.comp.home-networking, 'T i m' wrote:

>To that end they were asking about some form of 'protection' for the
>kids / PC's and I wondered if anyone had any good workable 'Cyber
>Nanny' type solutions (along with adult supervision etc) please?

If you've got the adult supervision surely you don't need the net-nanny
stuff?

A friend of mine told me about looking through the a year's worth of
access logs for his two girls one time, one was 10yrs old and the other
14. He says he found a couple of references that were basically sex
education (some bits and pieces from wikipedia IIRC) something on
contraception, and that was it. Exactly the sort of stuff for which you'd
override the supervision if they dared to ask you. He reckons that they
(both parents) were right to take the attitude that if the education's
right the avoidance is inbuilt. IYSWIM.

Hiding things behind net-nannys only leads to the 'forbidden fruit'
syndrome IMHO.

Dave J

"T i m" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi Folks,
>
> Some friends of ours have a couple of young girls and they are talking
> about putting their (older) PC's on the net (WiFi router etc).
>
> To that end they were asking about some form of 'protection' for the
> kids / PC's and I wondered if anyone had any good workable 'Cyber
> Nanny' type solutions (along with adult supervision etc) please?
>
> I ask because there may be something free out there (along the lines
> of Avast! / ZoneAlarm / AdAware etc (free / good)) before they go and
> spend good money on something that doesn't work (like Norton AV)
> <ducks> ;-)

I can recommend Norton Internet Security (I know I know - hogs resources and
all that)

But it works for me.

My kids 14 and 11 - I installed Net Nanny on both their PC's - it did it's
job and a whole lot more - really screwed the PC's up.

After countless calls to Tech Support and no joy - I had to format both PC's
to remove the damn software as it wouldn't uninstall because the
installation I chose originally was a 'stealth' one so the kids wouldn't
find it !

Never again !!!

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:56:58 +0000, Dave J. <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>In MsgID<(E-Mail Removed)> within
>uk.comp.home-networking, 'T i m' wrote:
>
>>To that end they were asking about some form of 'protection' for the
>>kids / PC's and I wondered if anyone had any good workable 'Cyber
>>Nanny' type solutions (along with adult supervision etc) please?
>
>If you've got the adult supervision surely you don't need the net-nanny
>stuff?

Well, that would be nice but can we (do we want to) be there *all* the
time?
>
>A friend of mine told me about looking through the a year's worth of
>access logs for his two girls one time, one was 10yrs old and the other
>14. He says he found a couple of references that were basically sex
>education (some bits and pieces from wikipedia IIRC) something on
>contraception, and that was it. Exactly the sort of stuff for which you'd
>override the supervision if they dared to ask you.

Ok, good point .. however .. would such logs show sites found via
Google for example? There they are, looking for a new Purple Helmet
for their 'motorcycling Barbie' .. ?

> He reckons that they
>(both parents) were right to take the attitude that if the education's
>right the avoidance is inbuilt. IYSWIM.

Probably more the case with girls than boys would you think?
>
>Hiding things behind net-nannys only leads to the 'forbidden fruit'
>syndrome IMHO.

Probably .. ;-(

All the best ..

T i m

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:46:38 GMT, "Gigabyte" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>"T i m" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Some friends of ours have a couple of young girls and they are talking
>> about putting their (older) PC's on the net (WiFi router etc).
>>
>> To that end they were asking about some form of 'protection' for the
>> kids / PC's and I wondered if anyone had any good workable 'Cyber
>> Nanny' type solutions (along with adult supervision etc) please?
>>
>> I ask because there may be something free out there (along the lines
>> of Avast! / ZoneAlarm / AdAware etc (free / good)) before they go and
>> spend good money on something that doesn't work (like Norton AV)
>> <ducks> ;-)
>
>I can recommend Norton Internet Security (I know I know - hogs resources and
>all that)

Ah, erm, but, erm ..
>
>But it works for me.

lol
>
>My kids 14 and 11 - I installed Net Nanny on both their PC's - it did it's
>job and a whole lot more - really screwed the PC's up.

Ah .. I wasn't talking about a particular product .. maybe 'others'
might be better?
>
>After countless calls to Tech Support and no joy - I had to format both PC's
>to remove the damn software as it wouldn't uninstall because the
>installation I chose originally was a 'stealth' one so the kids wouldn't
>find it !

Nice .. ;-(
>
>Never again !!!

Once bitten eh?

All the best ..

T i m

In MsgID<(E-Mail Removed)> within
uk.comp.home-networking, 'T i m' wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:56:58 +0000, Dave J. <(E-Mail Removed)>
>wrote:
[..]

>>A friend of mine told me about looking through the a year's worth of
>>access logs for his two girls one time, one was 10yrs old and the other
>>14. He says he found a couple of references that were basically sex
>>education (some bits and pieces from wikipedia IIRC) something on
>>contraception, and that was it. Exactly the sort of stuff for which you'd
>>override the supervision if they dared to ask you.
>
>Ok, good point .. however .. would such logs show sites found via
>Google for example? There they are, looking for a new Purple Helmet
>for their 'motorcycling Barbie' .. ?

One thing I didn't mention is that he does use ad-blocking software,
nothing fancy just a URL/domain-name wildcard blocker. Same thing as I
use, atGuard, a pseudo-firewall/junk filter. This possibly killed some
things that might have turned up accidentally.

One thing I'd advise is the use of a less vulnerable browser than IE
(maybe you already do of course) as general protection against 'hijacks'
of various sorts.

>
>> He reckons that they
>>(both parents) were right to take the attitude that if the education's
>>right the avoidance is inbuilt. IYSWIM.
>
>Probably more the case with girls than boys would you think?

This is the point at which I bow out, I don't have any 'map' of the
variations in psychology in terms of either desire to seek nor
vulnerability if found. It may be a fair argument that boys are both more
likely to look and less likely to come to harm if they find, but then I'm
biased as I *was* a boy (long long ago... )

Dave J.