Need suggestions with setting up small network.

Hi there,
I'm helping a relative set up a network for his new business which will be a
real estate office. He would also like to control a little access to the web.
I was thinking of setting up with two networks, an external and an internal,
with one domain controller and an ISA server on the web side and another
domain controller and the rest of the pc's on the private side (and of course
the ISA server). The only thing I'm thinking is this way may not be the most
cost effective since he'll have to buy 3 more computers and all the software
for three computers. Also, people will need to use DHCP and can't have fixed
IP's. There will probably be at most 10 people accessing the web at the same
time. Does anyone have any other suggestions on a network setup? I'm also
fine with going with Windows 2000 Server if there is any way to save money
going that route. Thanks so much in advance!

Dezere'

Why would he need an external "network"?

For a company this small if they need a website I would outsource. You could
even outsource the email.

You could set up one domain Win 2k domain with ISA server to control access
to the Internet.


hth
DDS W 2k MVP MCSE

"Dezere" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
newsC62064F-A5F4-47DE-8572-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi there,
> I'm helping a relative set up a network for his new business which will be
a
> real estate office. He would also like to control a little access to the
web.
> I was thinking of setting up with two networks, an external and an
internal,
> with one domain controller and an ISA server on the web side and another
> domain controller and the rest of the pc's on the private side (and of
course
> the ISA server). The only thing I'm thinking is this way may not be the
most
> cost effective since he'll have to buy 3 more computers and all the
software
> for three computers. Also, people will need to use DHCP and can't have
fixed
> IP's. There will probably be at most 10 people accessing the web at the
same
> time. Does anyone have any other suggestions on a network setup? I'm also
> fine with going with Windows 2000 Server if there is any way to save money
> going that route. Thanks so much in advance!
>
> Dezere'

"Dezere" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
newsC62064F-A5F4-47DE-8572-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi there,
> I'm helping a relative set up a network for his new business which will be
a
> real estate office. He would also like to control a little access to the
web.
> I was thinking of setting up with two networks, an external and an
internal,
> with one domain controller and an ISA server on the web side and another
> domain controller and the rest of the pc's on the private side (and of
course
> the ISA server). The only thing I'm thinking is this way may not be the
most
> cost effective since he'll have to buy 3 more computers and all the
software
> for three computers. Also, people will need to use DHCP and can't have
fixed
> IP's. There will probably be at most 10 people accessing the web at the
same
> time. Does anyone have any other suggestions on a network setup? I'm also
> fine with going with Windows 2000 Server if there is any way to save money
> going that route. Thanks so much in advance!
>
> Dezere'

Sorry for the other blank reply.... my mouse got away from me..

Forget the two-network idea unless you or them are well aquainted with a
"Back-to-Back DMZ" concept and all the pros-cons, ups-downs, of dealing with
them.

If you want to use ISA, then be sure that the hardware you get for the
Internet connection is a simple device that has *no* IP# and does *not* do
NAT,...otherwise you are back to that "Back-to-Back DMZ" issue again. Also
avoid PPPoE like the plague.

I see no point in DHCP, but if you use it,..do it on your own Server, but it
has no effect on the Internet in any way. Personally I don't see any point
in saying that the users *need* to use DHCP,....DHCP is a "want-to" or a
"would-like-to", it is never realy a "have-to".

--

Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com


"Dezere" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
newsC62064F-A5F4-47DE-8572-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi there,
> I'm helping a relative set up a network for his new business which will be
a
> real estate office. He would also like to control a little access to the
web.
> I was thinking of setting up with two networks, an external and an
internal,
> with one domain controller and an ISA server on the web side and another
> domain controller and the rest of the pc's on the private side (and of
course
> the ISA server). The only thing I'm thinking is this way may not be the
most
> cost effective since he'll have to buy 3 more computers and all the
software
> for three computers. Also, people will need to use DHCP and can't have
fixed
> IP's. There will probably be at most 10 people accessing the web at the
same
> time. Does anyone have any other suggestions on a network setup? I'm also
> fine with going with Windows 2000 Server if there is any way to save money
> going that route. Thanks so much in advance!
>
> Dezere'

Ok, thanks. Now here is another question for you. Do I have to have a domain
to control access to certain websites or can I do this using a workgroup too?

Dezere'

"Phillip Windell" wrote:

> Sorry for the other blank reply.... my mouse got away from me..
>
> Forget the two-network idea unless you or them are well aquainted with a
> "Back-to-Back DMZ" concept and all the pros-cons, ups-downs, of dealing with
> them.
>
> If you want to use ISA, then be sure that the hardware you get for the
> Internet connection is a simple device that has *no* IP# and does *not* do
> NAT,...otherwise you are back to that "Back-to-Back DMZ" issue again. Also
> avoid PPPoE like the plague.
>
> I see no point in DHCP, but if you use it,..do it on your own Server, but it
> has no effect on the Internet in any way. Personally I don't see any point
> in saying that the users *need* to use DHCP,....DHCP is a "want-to" or a
> "would-like-to", it is never realy a "have-to".
>
> --
>
> Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> www.wandtv.com
>
>
> "Dezere" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> newsC62064F-A5F4-47DE-8572-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hi there,
> > I'm helping a relative set up a network for his new business which will be
> a
> > real estate office. He would also like to control a little access to the
> web.
> > I was thinking of setting up with two networks, an external and an
> internal,
> > with one domain controller and an ISA server on the web side and another
> > domain controller and the rest of the pc's on the private side (and of
> course
> > the ISA server). The only thing I'm thinking is this way may not be the
> most
> > cost effective since he'll have to buy 3 more computers and all the
> software
> > for three computers. Also, people will need to use DHCP and can't have
> fixed
> > IP's. There will probably be at most 10 people accessing the web at the
> same
> > time. Does anyone have any other suggestions on a network setup? I'm also
> > fine with going with Windows 2000 Server if there is any way to save money
> > going that route. Thanks so much in advance!
> >
> > Dezere'
>
>
>

"Dezere" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:3607DF3B-9510-434E-98F2-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Ok, thanks. Now here is another question for you. Do I have to have a
domain
> to control access to certain websites or can I do this using a workgroup
too?

You can't do that with either one. To a certain extent that can be done with
a proxy server,... The a lesser extent it can be done with a NAT-based
Firewall (typical Hardware Firewall). In either case you are still limited
on how creative you can be. The most detailed control comes from dedicated
"web filtering" software such as SurfControl ( www.surfcontrol.com ) or
other similar ones.

--

Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com

sounds like a perfect situation for Small Business Server.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...s/default.mspx

To get ISA, and therefore the level of web usage control you desire, you
need SBS Premium.

Your network should resemble
http://www.smallbizserver.net/Default.aspx?tabid=50

Only thing is, I wouldn't use a production SBS to host a website (although I
do this on my LoungeAN). WWW hosting is cheap as chips, let the experts have
the headaches.

and be sure to be aware of SBS's limitations
http://www.sbslinks.com/Us_v_them.htm

"Dezere" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
newsC62064F-A5F4-47DE-8572-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi there,
> I'm helping a relative set up a network for his new business which will be
> a
> real estate office. He would also like to control a little access to the
> web.
> I was thinking of setting up with two networks, an external and an
> internal,
> with one domain controller and an ISA server on the web side and another
> domain controller and the rest of the pc's on the private side (and of
> course
> the ISA server). The only thing I'm thinking is this way may not be the
> most
> cost effective since he'll have to buy 3 more computers and all the
> software
> for three computers. Also, people will need to use DHCP and can't have
> fixed
> IP's. There will probably be at most 10 people accessing the web at the
> same
> time. Does anyone have any other suggestions on a network setup? I'm also
> fine with going with Windows 2000 Server if there is any way to save money
> going that route. Thanks so much in advance!
>
> Dezere'

Have you looked into SBS2003? Premium comes with ISA....it's a good bargain,
and comes with Exchange, to boot.

Don't host the website in house. Hosting accounts are cheaper than dirt
these days for a basic site, and you really don't want to invite the public
into your network.

I'd use DHCP on the LAN side, why not?

Dezere wrote:
> Hi there,
> I'm helping a relative set up a network for his new business which
> will be a real estate office. He would also like to control a little
> access to the web. I was thinking of setting up with two networks, an
> external and an internal, with one domain controller and an ISA
> server on the web side and another domain controller and the rest of
> the pc's on the private side (and of course the ISA server). The only
> thing I'm thinking is this way may not be the most cost effective
> since he'll have to buy 3 more computers and all the software for
> three computers. Also, people will need to use DHCP and can't have
> fixed IP's. There will probably be at most 10 people accessing the
> web at the same time. Does anyone have any other suggestions on a
> network setup? I'm also fine with going with Windows 2000 Server if
> there is any way to save money going that route. Thanks so much in
> advance!
>
> Dezere'

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:59:05 -0700, Dezere
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I'm helping a relative set up a network for his new business which will be a
>real estate office. He would also like to control a little access to the web.
>I was thinking of setting up with two networks, an external and an internal,
>with one domain controller and an ISA server on the web side and another
>domain controller and the rest of the pc's on the private side (and of course
>the ISA server). The only thing I'm thinking is this way may not be the most
>cost effective since he'll have to buy 3 more computers and all the software
>for three computers. Also, people will need to use DHCP and can't have fixed
>IP's. There will probably be at most 10 people accessing the web at the same
>time. Does anyone have any other suggestions on a network setup? I'm also
>fine with going with Windows 2000 Server if there is any way to save money
>going that route. Thanks so much in advance!

Small Business Server.

Jeff