My line supports 4.5MB... but

My line supports 4.5MB, according to a popular ISP's website.

I currently subscribe to an unlimited dynamic 8MB service (£14.99),
and at night I get 4.5MB (589kB/s).

Will any other broadband provider be able to provide me with more than
4.5MB using my current phone line? Or are they fibbing?

bornfree wrote:
> My line supports 4.5MB, according to a popular ISP's website.
>
> I currently subscribe to an unlimited dynamic 8MB service (£14.99),
> and at night I get 4.5MB (589kB/s).
>
> Will any other broadband provider be able to provide me with more than
> 4.5MB using my current phone line? Or are they fibbing?

No. That rate is set mainly by the line, a little bit by your router and
a little bit by the DSLAM at the other end. It represents pretty much
the bst that you can do with the copper and current technology.

However during te day, you might bget a bitmore of your 4.5Mbps than you
do currently.

You can look up your phone number on some of those checkers out there
and see if different services or LLU unbundling is available on your
nuumber: Some ISPS will offer you more over two phone lines 'strapped
together' (conceptually, not physically).

further reading here

www.kitz.co.uk.

Not my site, just one I stumbled on. Good background reading.

bornfree wrote:

> My line supports 4.5MB, according to a popular ISP's website.
>
> I currently subscribe to an unlimited dynamic 8MB service (£14.99),
> and at night I get 4.5MB (589kB/s).
>
> Will any other broadband provider be able to provide me with more than
> 4.5MB using my current phone line? Or are they fibbing?

You need to take a look at your line statistics.

Graham

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> bornfree wrote:
> > My line supports 4.5MB, according to a popular ISP's website.
> >
> > I currently subscribe to an unlimited dynamic 8MB service (£14.99),
> > and at night I get 4.5MB (589kB/s).
> >
> > Will any other broadband provider be able to provide me with more than
> > 4.5MB using my current phone line? Or are they fibbing?
>
> No. That rate is set mainly by the line, a little bit by your router and
> a little bit by the DSLAM at the other end. It represents pretty much
> the bst that you can do with the copper and current technology.

We don't KNOW if what he gets currently is representative of that though
because ISPs are so variable in their performance.

Graham

Eeyore wrote:
>
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> bornfree wrote:
>>> My line supports 4.5MB, according to a popular ISP's website.
>>>
>>> I currently subscribe to an unlimited dynamic 8MB service (£14.99),
>>> and at night I get 4.5MB (589kB/s).
>>>
>>> Will any other broadband provider be able to provide me with more than
>>> 4.5MB using my current phone line? Or are they fibbing?
>> No. That rate is set mainly by the line, a little bit by your router and
>> a little bit by the DSLAM at the other end. It represents pretty much
>> the bst that you can do with the copper and current technology.
>
> We don't KNOW if what he gets currently is representative of that though
> because ISPs are so variable in their performance.
>

Which is what I said.


The copper ultimately is the limiting factor and nothing the ISP can do
apart from getting BT to tweak the noise margin on the DSLAM will affect
the raw ADSL speed.

They may reduce from that by limiting something else..but that is
another matter.



> Graham
>

In message
<94bd2359-80f9-4d5f-b762-(E-Mail Removed)>
at 21:29:26 on Fri, 7 Dec 2007, bornfree <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>My line supports 4.5MB, according to a popular ISP's website.
>
>I currently subscribe to an unlimited dynamic 8MB service (£14.99),
>and at night I get 4.5MB (589kB/s).
>
>Will any other broadband provider be able to provide me with more than
>4.5MB using my current phone line? Or are they fibbing?
>
Does your ISP feature on this graph at all?
http://www.dslzoneuk.net/isp_ratings.php

To be honest I'd be please to get the 4.5 MB I was getting before my
colourful ISP LLU'd me, and reduced the line speed
--
Mike News

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
> > The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >> bornfree wrote:
> >
> >>> My line supports 4.5MB, according to a popular ISP's website.
> >>>
> >>> I currently subscribe to an unlimited dynamic 8MB service (£14.99),
> >>> and at night I get 4.5MB (589kB/s).
> >>>
> >>> Will any other broadband provider be able to provide me with more than
> >>> 4.5MB using my current phone line? Or are they fibbing?
> >> No. That rate is set mainly by the line, a little bit by your router and
> >> a little bit by the DSLAM at the other end. It represents pretty much
> >> the bst that you can do with the copper and current technology.
> >
> > We don't KNOW if what he gets currently is representative of that though
> > because ISPs are so variable in their performance.
>
>
> Which is what I said.

That's not how it sounded to me.


> The copper ultimately is the limiting factor and nothing the ISP can do
> apart from getting BT to tweak the noise margin on the DSLAM will affect
> the raw ADSL speed.

Yes. But I would say that most of the ADSL connections in the UK don't see
their full potential rate for the reasons you state below, hence going by an
existing rate when the ISP is unknown is an unreliable guide.


> They may reduce from that by limiting something else..but that is
> another matter.

This is usually the limiting factor for the majority of UK ADSL customers.

Graham

Eeyore wrote:
>
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Eeyore wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> bornfree wrote:
>>>>> My line supports 4.5MB, according to a popular ISP's website.
>>>>>
>>>>> I currently subscribe to an unlimited dynamic 8MB service (£14.99),
>>>>> and at night I get 4.5MB (589kB/s).
>>>>>
>>>>> Will any other broadband provider be able to provide me with more than
>>>>> 4.5MB using my current phone line? Or are they fibbing?
>>>> No. That rate is set mainly by the line, a little bit by your router and
>>>> a little bit by the DSLAM at the other end. It represents pretty much
>>>> the bst that you can do with the copper and current technology.
>>> We don't KNOW if what he gets currently is representative of that though
>>> because ISPs are so variable in their performance.
>>
>> Which is what I said.
>
> That's not how it sounded to me.
>
>
>> The copper ultimately is the limiting factor and nothing the ISP can do
>> apart from getting BT to tweak the noise margin on the DSLAM will affect
>> the raw ADSL speed.
>
> Yes. But I would say that most of the ADSL connections in the UK don't see
> their full potential rate for the reasons you state below, hence going by an
> existing rate when the ISP is unknown is an unreliable guide.
>
>
>> They may reduce from that by limiting something else..but that is
>> another matter.
>
> This is usually the limiting factor for the majority of UK ADSL customers.
>

I guess I am just lucky then. I get pretty much what my BRAS profile
limits me to, most of the time. And that is 500Kbps below my 'best'
connection speed.


> Graham
>
>

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
> > The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >> Eeyore wrote:
> >>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >>>> bornfree wrote:
> >>>>> My line supports 4.5MB, according to a popular ISP's website.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I currently subscribe to an unlimited dynamic 8MB service (£14.99),
> >>>>> and at night I get 4.5MB (589kB/s).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Will any other broadband provider be able to provide me with more than
> >>>>> 4.5MB using my current phone line? Or are they fibbing?
> >>>> No. That rate is set mainly by the line, a little bit by your router and
> >>>> a little bit by the DSLAM at the other end. It represents pretty much
> >>>> the bst that you can do with the copper and current technology.
> >>> We don't KNOW if what he gets currently is representative of that though
> >>> because ISPs are so variable in their performance.
> >>
> >> Which is what I said.
> >
> > That's not how it sounded to me.
> >
> >
> >> The copper ultimately is the limiting factor and nothing the ISP can do
> >> apart from getting BT to tweak the noise margin on the DSLAM will affect
> >> the raw ADSL speed.
> >
> > Yes. But I would say that most of the ADSL connections in the UK don't see
> > their full potential rate for the reasons you state below, hence going by an
> > existing rate when the ISP is unknown is an unreliable guide.
> >
> >
> >> They may reduce from that by limiting something else..but that is
> >> another matter.
> >
> > This is usually the limiting factor for the majority of UK ADSL customers.
> >
>
> I guess I am just lucky then. I get pretty much what my BRAS profile
> limits me to, most of the time. And that is 500Kbps below my 'best'
> connection speed.

Hardly LUCKY !

You're with Clara as opposed to any of the large consumer ISPs. That indicates that
you had some concern for quality of service over price and acted accordingly.

For the OP's benefit (and anyone else reading the thread), it might be a good idea to
emphasise this fact.

If you're with a major consumer ISP, please bear in mind that you're quite likely to
be receiving a much poorer service than your line can support.

I see he's with Eclipse btw, so not a consumer ISP. Eclipse don't score very well at
thinkbroadband.com 's comparison page though.
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/isp/compare.html

Use IDnet as the benchmark btw.

Graham

"bornfree" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:94bd2359-80f9-4d5f-b762-(E-Mail Removed)...
My line supports 4.5MB, according to a popular ISP's website.

I currently subscribe to an unlimited dynamic 8MB service (£14.99),
and at night I get 4.5MB (589kB/s).

Will any other broadband provider be able to provide me with more than
4.5MB using my current phone line? Or are they fibbing?


Are you with Eclipse and their option 1 package ?

Gio