Multiple IPs

On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 18:00 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> > I doubt it. I've got a Billion 7402 (not quad 2-input NOR gates) but it
> > seems that Billion haven't done IPv6 firmware for their whole range of
> > modem/routers.
> You are right. It doesn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ort_in_routers lists
a bunch of variants of Billion 7402. Most have IPv6 support but not all.

Not sure if it can be updated to OpenWRT/DD-WRT or something like that.

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David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 15:45 +0000, Andrew Benham wrote:
>> The router (running Linux) and another Linux box wouldn't route to it,
>> so on both of those I added a host route to 192.168.1.0/32 in addition
>> to the 192.168.1.0/24 network route already present.
>
> If you make it 192.168.1.0/23 instead, then packets to 192.168.1.0
> should work fine.
>
> For *real* addresses, that's slightly harder. For example if I wanted to
> use all four address of my 81.2.98.173/30 subnet, I could try bumping
> the netmask up to something like /24 and then doing proxy ARP tricks on
> the router so that the other addresses on that fake subnet, but not
> physically on my Ethernet, can be reached.
>
> However, that just moves the problem. I still wouldn't be able to reach
> 81.2.98.0 and 81.2.98.255, although I'm slightly less likely to want to.
>
> I suppose if I set the subnet mask to /0 and then do proxy ARP for the
> *whole* of the Legacy IP address space, that might work?
>
> Since I'm with A&A, the sanest plan is definitely just to ask for a
> bigger range and stop playing silly buggers
>

Indeed. That was generally our conclusion when we need to implement such
policies.

And RIPE was sympathetic to the fact that we tended to eg,. put in a
proxy mail and web engine and firewall the uses on a private subnet . so
the machines we needed the numbers for were the outward side of the
proxies and relays, the router and the 'corporate web server'

Before NAT reared its ugly/elegant head depending on how you view it..

There is no doubt that without NAT we wouldn't have domestic broadband
as we know it and IPv6 would have had to be rushed in a lot quicker.

And its still a bi of an unkown donkey even now.

David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 18:00 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> I doubt it. I've got a Billion 7402 (not quad 2-input NOR gates) but it
>>> seems that Billion haven't done IPv6 firmware for their whole range of
>>> modem/routers.
>> You are right. It doesn't.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ort_in_routers lists
> a bunch of variants of Billion 7402. Most have IPv6 support but not all.
>
> Not sure if it can be updated to OpenWRT/DD-WRT or something like that.
>
Mine is mentioned twice with a yes and a no!


So its probably a major firmware upgrade..

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> David Woodhouse wrote:
>> On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 18:00 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> I doubt it. I've got a Billion 7402 (not quad 2-input NOR gates)
>>>> but it
>>>> seems that Billion haven't done IPv6 firmware for their whole range of
>>>> modem/routers.
>>> You are right. It doesn't.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ort_in_routers lists
>> a bunch of variants of Billion 7402. Most have IPv6 support but not all.
>>
>> Not sure if it can be updated to OpenWRT/DD-WRT or something like that.
>>
> Mine is mentioned twice with a yes and a no!
>
>
> So its probably a major firmware upgrade..

further to that my firmware is 5.73 and the 6.X software does IPV6...

On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 21:23 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> David Woodhouse wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 18:00 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >>> I doubt it. I've got a Billion 7402 (not quad 2-input NOR gates) butit
> >>> seems that Billion haven't done IPv6 firmware for their whole range of
> >>> modem/routers.
> >> You are right. It doesn't.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ort_in_routers lists
> > a bunch of variants of Billion 7402. Most have IPv6 support but not all..
> >
> > Not sure if it can be updated to OpenWRT/DD-WRT or something like that.
> >
> Mine is mentioned twice with a yes and a no!
>
> So its probably a major firmware upgrade..

You don't really need it on the ADSL router anyway, unless you are using
a decent ISP that actually gives you native IPv6 on the ADSL.

Even if you're with a crappy ISP that just gives you a single Legacy IP
address and inflicts NAT upon you, you can still just set up an internal
machine with a tunnel to SixXS or something like that, which routes IPv6
for the rest of your internal network.

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David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 21:23 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> David Woodhouse wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 18:00 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> I doubt it. I've got a Billion 7402 (not quad 2-input NOR gates) but it
>>>>> seems that Billion haven't done IPv6 firmware for their whole range of
>>>>> modem/routers.
>>>> You are right. It doesn't.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ort_in_routers lists
>>> a bunch of variants of Billion 7402. Most have IPv6 support but not all.
>>>
>>> Not sure if it can be updated to OpenWRT/DD-WRT or something like that.
>>>
>> Mine is mentioned twice with a yes and a no!
>>
>> So its probably a major firmware upgrade..
>
> You don't really need it on the ADSL router anyway, unless you are using
> a decent ISP that actually gives you native IPv6 on the ADSL.
>
> Even if you're with a crappy ISP that just gives you a single Legacy IP
> address and inflicts NAT upon you, you can still just set up an internal
> machine with a tunnel to SixXS or something like that, which routes IPv6
> for the rest of your internal network.
>
I think IDnet DO support IPv6 stuff..

My particular router is too old to take the new firmware though :-(

I guess that's a 2013 upgrade then!

On Sat, 2011-12-17 at 12:52 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> I think IDnet DO support IPv6 stuff..

Then they'll almost certainly support it via a tunnel, as well as
natively on the ADSL. So you don't need your *router* to play along at
all.

If you have *any* machine which is always on, you can use it as an IPv6
router and provide connectivity to your whole network.

Or if you just want *one* machine connected so that you can play
http://loopsofzen.co.uk/ then it could use the tunnel for itself without
sharing to the rest of the network.

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