MSN MESSENGER AND D-LINKDI-624 ROUTER

Since installing this router I cannot connect to MSN Messenger on the host
computer. (I'm also having problems with the wireless connection, but I'm
going to continue trying to get that to work myself, at least for now).
Befor hooking up the router, there were no problems using messenger, now it
won't connect at all. It may be the Firewall in the router, but I don't know
how to set it up properly to allow messenger to work.
Any ideas?

Larry Hoffman

ive enabled the uPnP on windows and in di624a for a long time with no
problems.

"Hoffman" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Since installing this router I cannot connect to MSN Messenger on the host
> computer. (I'm also having problems with the wireless connection, but I'm
> going to continue trying to get that to work myself, at least for now).
> Befor hooking up the router, there were no problems using messenger, now
it
> won't connect at all. It may be the Firewall in the router, but I don't
know
> how to set it up properly to allow messenger to work.
> Any ideas?
>
> Larry Hoffman
>
>

Thanks, I'll give that a try.

"bumtracks" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> ive enabled the uPnP on windows and in di624a for a long time with no
> problems.
>
> "Hoffman" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:yrbKc.5$(E-Mail Removed) s.com...
> > Since installing this router I cannot connect to MSN Messenger on the
host
> > computer. (I'm also having problems with the wireless connection, but
I'm
> > going to continue trying to get that to work myself, at least for now).
> > Befor hooking up the router, there were no problems using messenger, now
> it
> > won't connect at all. It may be the Firewall in the router, but I don't
> know
> > how to set it up properly to allow messenger to work.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Larry Hoffman
> >
> >
>
>

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:18:54 GMT, "Hoffman" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>Since installing this router I cannot connect to MSN Messenger on the host
>computer.

Why would you want to connect to MSN Messenger? Never mind, don't
answer. You probably enjoy self abuse.

>(I'm also having problems with the wireless connection, but I'm
>going to continue trying to get that to work myself, at least for now).

If it were easy, it would be no fun.

>Befor hooking up the router, there were no problems using messenger, now it
>won't connect at all. It may be the Firewall in the router, but I don't know
>how to set it up properly to allow messenger to work.

Since it worked without the router, I'll assume that you don't have
the Windoze XP "firewall" enabled, or are running a personal softare
firewall such as ZoneAlarm. These will also block MSN Messenger.

There is a firewall in the router. However, that's only part of the
problem. MSN Messenger uses a Microsoft abomination from hell called
Universal Plug-n-Play, which has NOTHING to do with Plug-n-Play to
drill holes in your firewall so that MSN Messenger can deliver manure
to your desktop. I theory, there is no router configuration necessary
on your part except to enable Universal Plug-n-Play in your router and
on your computah. Dlink explains it at:
http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=1170
You'll find the setting at:
http://support.dlink.com/techtool/di...ools_misc.html
Microsoft cleverly ignores the issue in their help:
http://messenger.msn.com/Help/
If you notice open ports on your firewall during a security scan (two
for every XP box with UnPnP enabled), that come and go randomly, UnPnp
is working "normally".

In the past, DLink would ship their routers with UnPnP enabled by
default. This was deemed to be a disgusting idea as UnPnP is
considered to be a security risk by many individuals.
http://grc.com/unpnp/unpnp.htm
So, the current incantations ship with it off causing MSN Messenger to
barf and choke. I consider this an improvement.

Under no circumstances should you follow this stupid advice:
http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=845
which recommends that you use the DMZ feature which would open your
machine to assault by hackers like me.



--
Jeff Liebermann (E-Mail Removed)
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558

Thanks Jeff.

I'll answer to a few of your comments. We use Messenger to video conference
with my daughter who is living in Israel. My other daughter, still at home,
uses it to chat with quite a large group of friends.

I'm using Norton Security 2003. Other than the fact that it no longer loads
automatically when Windows boots up, I'm quite happy with it. It is
configured to allow Messenger to work. I've had no problems with it.

Thanks for all your advice and the effort you took to get me all that info.
Later this evening, when my daughter's out with friends and I've finished
watching a movie, I'll sit back down in at my puter and check out the links
and see if I can get things working ok.
I may need some more help soon, if I continue to have problems setting up my
network.

Thanks again,
Larry Hoffman

"Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:18:54 GMT, "Hoffman" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
> >Since installing this router I cannot connect to MSN Messenger on the
host
> >computer.
>
> Why would you want to connect to MSN Messenger? Never mind, don't
> answer. You probably enjoy self abuse.
>
> >(I'm also having problems with the wireless connection, but I'm
> >going to continue trying to get that to work myself, at least for now).
>
> If it were easy, it would be no fun.
>
> >Befor hooking up the router, there were no problems using messenger, now
it
> >won't connect at all. It may be the Firewall in the router, but I don't
know
> >how to set it up properly to allow messenger to work.
>
> Since it worked without the router, I'll assume that you don't have
> the Windoze XP "firewall" enabled, or are running a personal softare
> firewall such as ZoneAlarm. These will also block MSN Messenger.
>
> There is a firewall in the router. However, that's only part of the
> problem. MSN Messenger uses a Microsoft abomination from hell called
> Universal Plug-n-Play, which has NOTHING to do with Plug-n-Play to
> drill holes in your firewall so that MSN Messenger can deliver manure
> to your desktop. I theory, there is no router configuration necessary
> on your part except to enable Universal Plug-n-Play in your router and
> on your computah. Dlink explains it at:
> http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=1170
> You'll find the setting at:
> http://support.dlink.com/techtool/di...ools_misc.html
> Microsoft cleverly ignores the issue in their help:
> http://messenger.msn.com/Help/
> If you notice open ports on your firewall during a security scan (two
> for every XP box with UnPnP enabled), that come and go randomly, UnPnp
> is working "normally".
>
> In the past, DLink would ship their routers with UnPnP enabled by
> default. This was deemed to be a disgusting idea as UnPnP is
> considered to be a security risk by many individuals.
> http://grc.com/unpnp/unpnp.htm
> So, the current incantations ship with it off causing MSN Messenger to
> barf and choke. I consider this an improvement.
>
> Under no circumstances should you follow this stupid advice:
> http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=845
> which recommends that you use the DMZ feature which would open your
> machine to assault by hackers like me.
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann (E-Mail Removed)
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558

Although I am new to this newsgroup, I am beginning to really like Jeff. I
like the way he thinks....

Seriously, Jeff, I learn stuff from your posts, but this one especially
cracked me up. We call it plug-n-PRAY down here tho' unless we've already
got to the cussin part, then it's a long string of somewhat unintelligable
words that the women and children don't need to hear.....

Thanks for sharing the knowledge....
Ed


"Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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<SNIP>

> MSN Messenger uses a Microsoft abomination from hell called
> Universal Plug-n-Play, which has NOTHING to do with Plug-n-Play to
> drill holes in your firewall so that MSN Messenger can deliver manure
> to your desktop. > --

<ENDSNIP>

Well, I went into the admin and activated upnp. MSN Messenger now connects.
I'm hoping that with the router's firewall and Norton's firewall, that I
wont have any security problems. It's impotant that Messenger works, even
though we have to enable upnp for it to do so.

Thank you both for your assisstance.

Larry

"Ed" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:N_CdnZPtOYb5XGTdRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Although I am new to this newsgroup, I am beginning to really like Jeff. I
> like the way he thinks....
>
> Seriously, Jeff, I learn stuff from your posts, but this one especially
> cracked me up. We call it plug-n-PRAY down here tho' unless we've already
> got to the cussin part, then it's a long string of somewhat unintelligable
> words that the women and children don't need to hear.....
>
> Thanks for sharing the knowledge....
> Ed
>
>
> "Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> <SNIP>
>
> > MSN Messenger uses a Microsoft abomination from hell called
> > Universal Plug-n-Play, which has NOTHING to do with Plug-n-Play to
> > drill holes in your firewall so that MSN Messenger can deliver manure
> > to your desktop. > --
>
> <ENDSNIP>
>
>

hi there, try this ....
http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.as...0&question=msn


"Hoffman" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Since installing this router I cannot connect to MSN Messenger on the host
> computer. (I'm also having problems with the wireless connection, but I'm
> going to continue trying to get that to work myself, at least for now).
> Befor hooking up the router, there were no problems using messenger, now
it
> won't connect at all. It may be the Firewall in the router, but I don't
know
> how to set it up properly to allow messenger to work.
> Any ideas?
>
> Larry Hoffman
>
>