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Michael Slater
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      01-03-2004, 12:38 PM
My Toshiba Tecra M1 has an Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 Land 3B Mini
Adaptor... a Centrino Wireless card.

The idea of Centrino is that it has advanced power management -- it
only spends enough electricity to keep a connection with your wireless
access point. Ok. Great.

So last week I spent time testing out my access at the various
Internet hotspots around my office. I could connect to Singtel and
Starhub just fine. I couldn't connect to Airwarp at all, however.
[these are Singapore Wireless Hotspot providers] My Intel PROSet
utility told me I was connected, but I was never allocated an IP from
their DHCP server.

We went back and forth on this for a while with no success. I did some
more research myself and found that very, very frequently turning off
this "Advanced Power Management" and turning power to 100% solved the
problems. Yep. It sure does. The problem is totally repeatable.

Ok, so that seemed like a fix, although not a very nice one, wasting
some of the Centrino's advantage.

So today I decided to install a wireless network at my house.
Presently I have an Efficient Networks SpeedStream DSL modem that
connects to my PC via a USB port. Then my PC shares an Internet
Connection (ICS) through its ethernet card to my laptop, connected via
its ethernet card.

What I wanted was a wireless router that my PC could plug into and my
laptop could wirelessly connect to.

Since most routers can only talk to the DSL modem via an ethernet
cable, I had to toss out my USB DSL modem and buy one with an ethernet
jack instead. I ended up buying a Aztech DSL305E(B) ADSL Ethernet
Bridge Modem and a NetGear MR814 Cable/DSL Wireless Router (version 1,
this is not MR814v2).

The Modem is garden variety and Singnet (my DSL provider) approved.
The Netgear Router is quite popular, and quite common.

First I installed the Aztech. There isn't much installing it. Since
the router talks directly to it, there is no need for any setup. All I
did was plug it into power and phone. I did notice that the "DSL"
light kept blinking -- it never stayed on. This seemed wrong. After
some tinkering I realized that the noise filter that came included
with the modem seemed to be interfering. Once I removed it, and
plugged the cable modem straight into the wall, it worked fine and
kept a solid green light.

MR814
Next the Router. It's simple too -- give it power, connect it to the
Aztech and another ethernet connection to the PC. Configuration is
done via a web interface to a specific IP address the router listens
to. It's accessible by both wireless and wired connections. I started
out by configuring it with my PC. The configuration is very easy.
Basically you just tell it your name/password with Singnet. The rest
is roughly automatic.

One thing that does annoy me, though, is that my PC doesn't seem to
immediately get access to the web. It seems to take some time to get
an IP and DNS servers allocated to it. I am not sure if I had used the
wizard included on the CD (which I didn't use) if some sort of
"Connect to Internet" icon would have been created that I could use to
force an immediate connection to the internet. Any ideas?

But that turns out to be the least of my irritations. The wireless
situation is infuriating.

Essentially I am having the exact same problem I had with the airwarp
network. I ostensibly connect to it fine, with a nice strong signal,
but the router and laptop absolutely refuse to exchange an IP and DNS
address to use. I have been through every fix I can think of or find.

Drivers and Firmware.

I've tried two different MR814 firmwares: 4.13 and 4.14rc2

I've upgraded to Toshiba's latest wireless driver, 1.6.0.46

(The current firmware version of the laptop's 802.11b appears to be
4.2-41.01 but I don't know how/where I would ever upgrade that. I
haven't seen anything on it.

Settings

I've disabled Windows XP's 'Zero Configuration Service' so that it
doesn't interfere with Intel's wireless control software

I've changed the channel the 802.11b works on.

I've made sure the 802.1x Protocol is disabled on both the router and
the laptop.

I never installed the q815485 hotfix to windows, so that shouldn't be
a problem.

People suggest "Disabled "Use windows to configure my wireless
settings" but I cannot find where this setting is located (and anyway,
I guess this is the same as disabling the Zero Config service?)

I've changed to 64-bit WEP from 128-bit

I've verified that they're using the same key (#1) in both the router
and the Intel ProSet utility..

So what I've found is, the only way for this to work is if I turn off
the WEP security entirely! If I leave it an open network, then it
works just fine.

But of course, this is a stupid solution, because I don't feel like
giving my condominium and drive-by hackers a free internet connection.
I guess I could lock down the system via MAC addresses, but I really
would just prefer for this stupid thing to work with WEP, like it
should.

Ideas?
 
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Lac
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      01-03-2004, 07:42 PM
Michael Slater wrote:

> My Toshiba Tecra M1 has an Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 Land 3B Mini
> Adaptor... a Centrino Wireless card.
>
> The idea of Centrino is that it has advanced power management -- it
> only spends enough electricity to keep a connection with your wireless
> access point. Ok. Great.
>
> So last week I spent time testing out my access at the various
> Internet hotspots around my office. I could connect to Singtel and
> Starhub just fine. I couldn't connect to Airwarp at all, however.
> [these are Singapore Wireless Hotspot providers] My Intel PROSet
> utility told me I was connected, but I was never allocated an IP from
> their DHCP server.
>
> We went back and forth on this for a while with no success. I did some
> more research myself and found that very, very frequently turning off
> this "Advanced Power Management" and turning power to 100% solved the
> problems. Yep. It sure does. The problem is totally repeatable.
>
> Ok, so that seemed like a fix, although not a very nice one, wasting
> some of the Centrino's advantage.
>
> So today I decided to install a wireless network at my house.
> Presently I have an Efficient Networks SpeedStream DSL modem that
> connects to my PC via a USB port. Then my PC shares an Internet
> Connection (ICS) through its ethernet card to my laptop, connected via
> its ethernet card.
>
> What I wanted was a wireless router that my PC could plug into and my
> laptop could wirelessly connect to.
>
> Since most routers can only talk to the DSL modem via an ethernet
> cable, I had to toss out my USB DSL modem and buy one with an ethernet
> jack instead. I ended up buying a Aztech DSL305E(B) ADSL Ethernet
> Bridge Modem and a NetGear MR814 Cable/DSL Wireless Router (version 1,
> this is not MR814v2).
>
> The Modem is garden variety and Singnet (my DSL provider) approved.
> The Netgear Router is quite popular, and quite common.
>
> First I installed the Aztech. There isn't much installing it. Since
> the router talks directly to it, there is no need for any setup. All I
> did was plug it into power and phone. I did notice that the "DSL"
> light kept blinking -- it never stayed on. This seemed wrong. After
> some tinkering I realized that the noise filter that came included
> with the modem seemed to be interfering. Once I removed it, and
> plugged the cable modem straight into the wall, it worked fine and
> kept a solid green light.
>
> MR814
> Next the Router. It's simple too -- give it power, connect it to the
> Aztech and another ethernet connection to the PC. Configuration is
> done via a web interface to a specific IP address the router listens
> to. It's accessible by both wireless and wired connections. I started
> out by configuring it with my PC. The configuration is very easy.
> Basically you just tell it your name/password with Singnet. The rest
> is roughly automatic.
>
> One thing that does annoy me, though, is that my PC doesn't seem to
> immediately get access to the web. It seems to take some time to get
> an IP and DNS servers allocated to it. I am not sure if I had used the
> wizard included on the CD (which I didn't use) if some sort of
> "Connect to Internet" icon would have been created that I could use to
> force an immediate connection to the internet. Any ideas?
>
> But that turns out to be the least of my irritations. The wireless
> situation is infuriating.
>
> Essentially I am having the exact same problem I had with the airwarp
> network. I ostensibly connect to it fine, with a nice strong signal,
> but the router and laptop absolutely refuse to exchange an IP and DNS
> address to use. I have been through every fix I can think of or find.
>
> Drivers and Firmware.
>
> I've tried two different MR814 firmwares: 4.13 and 4.14rc2
>
> I've upgraded to Toshiba's latest wireless driver, 1.6.0.46
>
> (The current firmware version of the laptop's 802.11b appears to be
> 4.2-41.01 but I don't know how/where I would ever upgrade that. I
> haven't seen anything on it.
>
> Settings
>
> I've disabled Windows XP's 'Zero Configuration Service' so that it
> doesn't interfere with Intel's wireless control software
>
> I've changed the channel the 802.11b works on.
>
> I've made sure the 802.1x Protocol is disabled on both the router and
> the laptop.
>
> I never installed the q815485 hotfix to windows, so that shouldn't be
> a problem.
>
> People suggest "Disabled "Use windows to configure my wireless
> settings" but I cannot find where this setting is located (and anyway,
> I guess this is the same as disabling the Zero Config service?)
>
> I've changed to 64-bit WEP from 128-bit
>
> I've verified that they're using the same key (#1) in both the router
> and the Intel ProSet utility..
>
> So what I've found is, the only way for this to work is if I turn off
> the WEP security entirely! If I leave it an open network, then it
> works just fine.
>
> But of course, this is a stupid solution, because I don't feel like
> giving my condominium and drive-by hackers a free internet connection.
> I guess I could lock down the system via MAC addresses, but I really
> would just prefer for this stupid thing to work with WEP, like it
> should.
>
> Ideas?


Yeah, I have one - ditch Netgear and get a real router/AP. I had the
same problem and for $40 I paid for the piece of $*it it was not worth
to tinker with it.
Did you try calling support? You should try it - it's a real treat!
Seriously though here is a link that talks about this:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/equip,9

Do a search for mr814 and Centrino.

I took the easy way out: bought ZyXel B-2000 and never looked back. Do
yourself a favor and stay away from consumer grade equipment (Netgear,
Dlink, Linksys.) Get ZyXel ($), Orinoco (Proxim) ($$) or Cisco ($$$)

Lac


 
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Lou Scheffer
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      01-21-2004, 06:40 AM
black-(E-Mail Removed) (Michael Slater) wrote in message news:<(E-Mail Removed). com>...
> My Toshiba Tecra M1 has an Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 Land 3B Mini
> Adaptor... a Centrino Wireless card.
>
> [... Many troubles deleted]
>
> So what I've found is, the only way for this to work is if I turn off
> the WEP security entirely! If I leave it an open network, then it
> works just fine.
>
> But of course, this is a stupid solution, because I don't feel like
> giving my condominium and drive-by hackers a free internet connection.
> I guess I could lock down the system via MAC addresses, but I really
> would just prefer for this stupid thing to work with WEP, like it
> should.
>
> Ideas?


I got this to work as follows: Upgrade my MR814 (not a v2 model) to
the latest firmware; use the key from pass-phrase on the MR814; copy
the generated 26 digit hex number to my IBM T41. I suspected this was
the problem since the NetGear uses all the characters of the
passphrase to generate the key, but the Centrino only accepts 13
characters.

Lou Scheffer
 
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