More thoughts on caps and speeds.

Hi,

Musing on how reasonable the caps are.

I have just decided to build a new system using Linux Fedora Core 3.

The DVD install image is just over 4Gbytes.

This will blow away the 'low user' caps immediately.

Assume that I download it but the checksum doesn't match - I then have to
download it again to get a good copy.

8Gb and counting....

Problems with the DVD install so I download the 4 CD ISOs at .7Gb a pop.

11Gb and barely getting into my stride.

After install I need to get all the updates since the ISO was created,
plus any applications not on the install CDs.

Anything less than 30Gb for the month and I'm running out of steam.

I did a rough spreadsheet and on a 512k line I think you could download
about 5Gb a day if you ran it flat out. So it should take nearly a full
day to download the DVD ISO.

Upping the speed to 2Gbits/sec would cut that download speed by 4* -
nearer to 6 hours for the download, so a 2Gb service does seem worthwhile
if you run one (or more) Linux systems.

I don't consider myself a heavy user - no games or warez and very little
music - yet even a 15Gbyte cap for a month could leave me in serious
trouble if that was the month I wanted to rebuild a system.

15 Gbytes is downloading flat out for 3 full days (24 hour periods) or
about 10% of the available time. Or using the link full speed for 10% of
the time spread out over the month.

I am coming round to the opinion that it isn't just the 'unsociables' who
will have problems with capped services.

Good deals on 1Gb uncapped for under £30 with a static IP?

Cheers
Dave R

David WE Roberts wrote:

>
> Good deals on 1Gb uncapped for under £30 with a static IP?
>
> Cheers
> Dave R

Assume u mean 1meg in which case HomeOffice1000

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:53:56 UTC, David WE Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

> I have just decided to build a new system using Linux Fedora Core 3.

(...)

> 11Gb and barely getting into my stride.
>
> After install I need to get all the updates since the ISO was created,
> plus any applications not on the install CDs.
>
> Anything less than 30Gb for the month and I'm running out of steam.

> I don't consider myself a heavy user - no games or warez and very little
> music - yet even a 15Gbyte cap for a month could leave me in serious
> trouble if that was the month I wanted to rebuild a system.
>
> 15 Gbytes is downloading flat out for 3 full days (24 hour periods) or
> about 10% of the available time. Or using the link full speed for 10% of
> the time spread out over the month.
>
> I am coming round to the opinion that it isn't just the 'unsociables' who
> will have problems with capped services.
>
> Good deals on 1Gb uncapped for under œ30 with a static IP?

You won't get 1Gb/s for under œ30......! Did you really mean that?

Well, I download a fair number of ISOs. I have 2Mb/s on my line, and a
monthly daytime soft cap of 3GB. But bwtween roughly 8 p.m. and 6 a.m. I
have no limit. So I schedule the downloads for then. Easy as pie.

Oh, I get lots of static IPs and it costs me 27.02 a month. OTOH,
perhaps the 3GB daytime cap would put you off anyway; I have to say I
get nowheer near that.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:12:58 +0000, Mikee wrote:

> David WE Roberts wrote:
>
>>
>> Good deals on 1Gb uncapped for under £30 with a static IP?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave R
>
> Assume u mean 1meg in which case HomeOffice1000

(a) a man can dream.....

(b) Which ISP offers HomeOffice 1000 (or is it HMG?).

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:27:26 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:53:56 UTC, David WE Roberts <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>> I have just decided to build a new system using Linux Fedora Core 3.
>
> (...)
>
>> 11Gb and barely getting into my stride.
>>
>> After install I need to get all the updates since the ISO was created,
>> plus any applications not on the install CDs.
>>
>> Anything less than 30Gb for the month and I'm running out of steam.
>
>> I don't consider myself a heavy user - no games or warez and very little
>> music - yet even a 15Gbyte cap for a month could leave me in serious
>> trouble if that was the month I wanted to rebuild a system.
>>
>> 15 Gbytes is downloading flat out for 3 full days (24 hour periods) or
>> about 10% of the available time. Or using the link full speed for 10% of
>> the time spread out over the month.
>>
>> I am coming round to the opinion that it isn't just the 'unsociables' who
>> will have problems with capped services.
>>
>> Good deals on 1Gb uncapped for under œ30 with a static IP?
>
> You won't get 1Gb/s for under œ30......! Did you really mean that?
>
> Well, I download a fair number of ISOs. I have 2Mb/s on my line, and a
> monthly daytime soft cap of 3GB. But bwtween roughly 8 p.m. and 6 a.m. I
> have no limit. So I schedule the downloads for then. Easy as pie.
>
> Oh, I get lots of static IPs and it costs me 27.02 a month. OTOH,
> perhaps the 3GB daytime cap would put you off anyway; I have to say I
> get nowheer near that.


Nice to know - but which ISP?

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:33:32 +0000, David WE Roberts
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Nice to know - but which ISP?

Bob uses the ISP I used to use - AAISP. Look at http://aaisp.net for
further info.

Before anyone asks I left (and went to Zen) because I felt that with
the kids getting older a 3GB daytime cap was too restrictive. AIUI the
"off peak" times have been extended now so it might have been less of
an issue for me.
--
John Naismith

David WE Roberts wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:12:58 +0000, Mikee wrote:
>
>
>>David WE Roberts wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Good deals on 1Gb uncapped for under £30 with a static IP?
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>Dave R
>>
>>Assume u mean 1meg in which case HomeOffice1000
>
>
> (a) a man can dream.....
>
> (b) Which ISP offers HomeOffice 1000 (or is it HMG?).
>
>
whoops.......... meant to say Demon HOmeOffice1000... douh... more wine
waiter if you please

"David WE Roberts" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi,
>
> Musing on how reasonable the caps are.
>
> I have just decided to build a new system using Linux Fedora Core 3.
>
> The DVD install image is just over 4Gbytes.
>
> This will blow away the 'low user' caps immediately.
>
> Assume that I download it but the checksum doesn't match - I then have to
> download it again to get a good copy.
>
> 8Gb and counting....
>
> Problems with the DVD install so I download the 4 CD ISOs at .7Gb a pop.
>
> 11Gb and barely getting into my stride.
>
> After install I need to get all the updates since the ISO was created,
> plus any applications not on the install CDs.
>
> Anything less than 30Gb for the month and I'm running out of steam.
>


How often do you expect to download a linux distro?

I need an unlimited service or one with a high cap >100Gb. I do not mind
capped services as long as the uncapped services still exist. I would not
mind paying a little bit more for no cap.

Another point, is how many web servers can send at more than 2Mb? I ask
because very few max the connection out. Microsoft does and a few others.
What we need now is higher upload speeds so we can send files to people
faster. Sending large files of 256k is tiresome!

Dan

Dan

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:41:44 -0000, "dan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


>Another point, is how many web servers can send at more than 2Mb?

???

The majority I know of connect to their respective networks via a
standard 100Mbps fast ethernet interface, and are not rate capped.
The networks they connect to generally run gigabit cores.

You'll find that they don't max out your connection because of
constant renegotiation of the TCP transmission window between it and
your router (i.e. "slow down a bit ... now speed up a bit ... okay,
too much, slow down a bit again..." etc.) The same works in reverse
if the server's very busy - it'll be asking your router to slow down


Jake