Missing Microsoft Family Logon Box at Startup

Hello. I am running Windows ME. I did a reinstall to correct a midi problem.
This worked, but created a new problem. I no longer get a logon box at
startup. I have researched this extensively and taken all the steps I have
found suggested. I believe I have all the basic setups correct and assume it
is a registry issue. I have used the following in control panel: Passwords to
enable different user settings; Users to set up different user profiles and
Network to add the Microsoft Family Logon Client and select it as primary
logon. I have tried removing all this, deleting all .pwl files and selecting
Windows Logon to see if I could get a basic logon -- no go. I have also tried
setting all the above up again after deleting .pwl files. Again no logon. Any
help appreciated.

In article <2D4AFE11-8904-4A7D-A84A-(E-Mail Removed)>, "KC"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Hello. I am running Windows ME. I did a reinstall to correct a midi problem.
>This worked, but created a new problem. I no longer get a logon box at
>startup. I have researched this extensively and taken all the steps I have
>found suggested. I believe I have all the basic setups correct and assume it
>is a registry issue. I have used the following in control panel: Passwords to
>enable different user settings; Users to set up different user profiles and
>Network to add the Microsoft Family Logon Client and select it as primary
>logon. I have tried removing all this, deleting all .pwl files and selecting
>Windows Logon to see if I could get a basic logon -- no go. I have also tried
>setting all the above up again after deleting .pwl files. Again no logon. Any
>help appreciated.

This is a common problem in Windows 95/98/Me. It can happen even when
you've done everything right, especially right after a clean
installation of the OS. The most likely fix is to run the registry
editor, open this registry key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\
Network\Real Mode Net

and delete the value named "AutoLogon". This web site explains how to
do it:

http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/nologon.htm#AutoLogon
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm

In article <2D4AFE11-8904-4A7D-A84A-(E-Mail Removed)>, =?Utf-8?B?
S0M=?= says...
> Hello. I am running Windows ME. I did a reinstall to correct a midi problem.
> This worked, but created a new problem. I no longer get a logon box at
> startup. I have researched this extensively and taken all the steps I have
> found suggested. I believe I have all the basic setups correct and assume it
> is a registry issue. I have used the following in control panel: Passwords to
> enable different user settings; Users to set up different user profiles and
> Network to add the Microsoft Family Logon Client and select it as primary
> logon. I have tried removing all this, deleting all .pwl files and selecting
> Windows Logon to see if I could get a basic logon -- no go. I have also tried
> setting all the above up again after deleting .pwl files. Again no logon. Any
> help appreciated.

In Windows Me, "Network Properties", "Configuration" tab, I clicked on the
"Add..." button, then the "Client" selection in the "Select Network
Component Type" list; and see "Microsoft Family Logon" as a choice to add.
Can you not get that choice?

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~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

Thanks for the assistance Steve. Where you pointed me, together with some
further leg work on my part, has resolved my logon problem described above.

I have put down a few thoughts on the steps it took below and also reference
the following:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q141858/
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/176057/EN-US/
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;176059

1. I have no idea why I did not find the first-mentioned support document
above ("Doc 1") in my internet searches in my efforts to research this
problem. Steve pointed it out.
2. The steps outlined in Doc 1 helped with my solution, but in some ways I
had some differences.
3. I had earlier deleted the HKLM mentioned in step 2 of Doc 1 -- due to
other reserach I had done. But this alone did not resolve my problem. It
seemed to have reappeared, however, so I deleted it again.
4. Step 3 of Doc 1 was different than my situation, since I was just trying
to use Microsoft Family Logon and not a network server.
5. Step 4 of Doc 1 was not applicable to my situation. Perhaps it involves
Novell network situations?
6. I decided to use Control Panel_System_Device Manger to remove all Network
Adapters. I went to Control Panel _ Network and added Client for Microsoft
Networks and IPX/SPX- compatable protocol to enable me to follow Step 3 in
Doc 1. Under step 3, I chose to select frame type Ethernet II. I then
rebooted.
7. On reboot, the new hardware wizard found my two networking adapters and
added them. (Remember I had deleted them to see if this would help and I
think it might have).
8. On the reboot, I got a Microsoft Networking logon box. I had been unable
to get any logon box for days before, not matter what network and primary
logon I chose.
9. I renamed all passwords to OLD that ended in .pwl.
10. I reestablished my profiles folders in c:/windows.
11. I extracted the Netfam.inf file to c:/windows/inf from cabs -- it was
already in windows/inf, but I had learned that corruption in it might be part
of the problem.
12. I set up all my mail and outlook .pst files as before when things were
working.
13. I used numerous reboots, reistry and profiles files back-ups as well as
ME system restore points at various steps.
14. I finally changed to Microsoft Family Logon and removed the Microsoft
Networking Logon and got to just the former's logon box at boot-up, as I
desired.

Thanks again.


"Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote:

> In article <2D4AFE11-8904-4A7D-A84A-(E-Mail Removed)>, "KC"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >Hello. I am running Windows ME. I did a reinstall to correct a midi problem.
> >This worked, but created a new problem. I no longer get a logon box at
> >startup. I have researched this extensively and taken all the steps I have
> >found suggested. I believe I have all the basic setups correct and assume it
> >is a registry issue. I have used the following in control panel: Passwords to
> >enable different user settings; Users to set up different user profiles and
> >Network to add the Microsoft Family Logon Client and select it as primary
> >logon. I have tried removing all this, deleting all .pwl files and selecting
> >Windows Logon to see if I could get a basic logon -- no go. I have also tried
> >setting all the above up again after deleting .pwl files. Again no logon. Any
> >help appreciated.
>
> This is a common problem in Windows 95/98/Me. It can happen even when
> you've done everything right, especially right after a clean
> installation of the OS. The most likely fix is to run the registry
> editor, open this registry key:
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\
> Network\Real Mode Net
>
> and delete the value named "AutoLogon". This web site explains how to
> do it:
>
> http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/nologon.htm#AutoLogon
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
>
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>
> Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
> http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm
>

Some more explanation on my items 8, 10 and 13 below, now that I have more
time to give it.....

Regarding item 8: I don't know for sure, but it seemed to help that I
selected a client -- Microsoft Networking -- that I didn't want and that
wasn't really applicable to my system on my route to getting the client and
logon box that I did want -- Microsoft Family Logon. I simply ignored the
error message that "No domain server was available ..." until I completed my
item 14. I wanted all else set up before I tried the family logon again in
fear I might end up back at no logon box otherwise.(Earlier attempts to go
straight for Microsoft Family Logon client after having completed my item 3
were unsuccessful.)

Regarding item 10: I reestablished the profiles this way. A. I had long
before backed up the entire c:\windows\profiles file on my D:\ non-system
harddrive to preserve the profile settings that I liked when my computer had
been working properly -- most notable the outlook.pst files for different
users and the different users "favourites". B. First step of item 10 was to
delete the c:\windows\profiles file. C. Under Control Panel _ Passwords_User
Profiles, I then selected "users can customize their preferences ..." E.
Under Control Panel _ Users, I then created the various user names and user
attributes I needed. F. Rebooted. G. Then confirmed that all the user names I
had created would work with the logon box I was getting. G. Then onfirmed
that all registry settings remained as per above numbered items in my earlier
solution post. H. I copied into the respective
c:\windows\profiles\["appropriate user name"] folders those items that I
wanted to restore from the backup mentioned in A above.

Regarding item 13. What I meant is that I frequently made registry backups
and made profiles folder backups to my non-system harddrive (as I seemed to
make progress through my various steps). I also set a number of ME System
Restore points as I made progress. As it turns out, I didn't need them.

"KC" wrote:

> Thanks for the assistance Steve. Where you pointed me, together with some
> further leg work on my part, has resolved my logon problem described above.
>
> I have put down a few thoughts on the steps it took below and also reference
> the following:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q141858/
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/176057/EN-US/
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;176059
>
> 1. I have no idea why I did not find the first-mentioned support document
> above ("Doc 1") in my internet searches in my efforts to research this
> problem. Steve pointed it out.
> 2. The steps outlined in Doc 1 helped with my solution, but in some ways I
> had some differences.
> 3. I had earlier deleted the HKLM mentioned in step 2 of Doc 1 -- due to
> other reserach I had done. But this alone did not resolve my problem. It
> seemed to have reappeared, however, so I deleted it again.
> 4. Step 3 of Doc 1 was different than my situation, since I was just trying
> to use Microsoft Family Logon and not a network server.
> 5. Step 4 of Doc 1 was not applicable to my situation. Perhaps it involves
> Novell network situations?
> 6. I decided to use Control Panel_System_Device Manger to remove all Network
> Adapters. I went to Control Panel _ Network and added Client for Microsoft
> Networks and IPX/SPX- compatable protocol to enable me to follow Step 3 in
> Doc 1. Under step 3, I chose to select frame type Ethernet II. I then
> rebooted.
> 7. On reboot, the new hardware wizard found my two networking adapters and
> added them. (Remember I had deleted them to see if this would help and I
> think it might have).
> 8. On the reboot, I got a Microsoft Networking logon box. I had been unable
> to get any logon box for days before, not matter what network and primary
> logon I chose.
> 9. I renamed all passwords to OLD that ended in .pwl.
> 10. I reestablished my profiles folders in c:/windows.
> 11. I extracted the Netfam.inf file to c:/windows/inf from cabs -- it was
> already in windows/inf, but I had learned that corruption in it might be part
> of the problem.
> 12. I set up all my mail and outlook .pst files as before when things were
> working.
> 13. I used numerous reboots, reistry and profiles files back-ups as well as
> ME system restore points at various steps.
> 14. I finally changed to Microsoft Family Logon and removed the Microsoft
> Networking Logon and got to just the former's logon box at boot-up, as I
> desired.
>
> Thanks again.
>
>
> "Steve Winograd [MVP]" wrote:
>
> > In article <2D4AFE11-8904-4A7D-A84A-(E-Mail Removed)>, "KC"
> > <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > >Hello. I am running Windows ME. I did a reinstall to correct a midi problem.
> > >This worked, but created a new problem. I no longer get a logon box at
> > >startup. I have researched this extensively and taken all the steps I have
> > >found suggested. I believe I have all the basic setups correct and assume it
> > >is a registry issue. I have used the following in control panel: Passwords to
> > >enable different user settings; Users to set up different user profiles and
> > >Network to add the Microsoft Family Logon Client and select it as primary
> > >logon. I have tried removing all this, deleting all .pwl files and selecting
> > >Windows Logon to see if I could get a basic logon -- no go. I have also tried
> > >setting all the above up again after deleting .pwl files. Again no logon. Any
> > >help appreciated.
> >
> > This is a common problem in Windows 95/98/Me. It can happen even when
> > you've done everything right, especially right after a clean
> > installation of the OS. The most likely fix is to run the registry
> > editor, open this registry key:
> >
> > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\
> > Network\Real Mode Net
> >
> > and delete the value named "AutoLogon". This web site explains how to
> > do it:
> >
> > http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/nologon.htm#AutoLogon
> > --
> > Best Wishes,
> > Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
> >
> > Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> > for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> > addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
> >
> > Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
> > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
> >
> > Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
> > http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm
> >